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|When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven by therationa(m): 9:37pm On Feb 17, 2008|
The follow NT chapters describe events leading up to and including the ascension of Jesus into heaven following his resurrection. I will urge you to read the carefully prior to the discussion below;
[tr][td]Mark 16[/td][td]Luke 24[/td][td]Act 1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"
4But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
6"Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.' "
8Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
((The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.))
9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.
12Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.
14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.
15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."
19[b]After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. [/b]20Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
[/td][td]1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' " 8Then they remembered his words.
9When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles. 11But they did not believe the women, because their words seemed to them like nonsense. 12Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened.
13Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles[a] from Jerusalem. 14They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; 16but they were kept from recognizing him.
17He asked them, "What are you discussing together as you walk along?"
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, "Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days?"
19"What things?" he asked.
"About Jesus of Nazareth," they replied. "He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23but didn't find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see."
25He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?" 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
28As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus acted as if he were going farther. 29But they urged him strongly, "Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over." So he went in to stay with them.
30When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32They asked each other, "Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?"
33They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34and saying, "It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon." 35Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
36While they were still talking about this, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you."
37They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
40When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.
44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
50[b]When he had led them out to the vicinity of Bethany, he lifted up his hands and blessed them. [/b]51[b]While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. 52Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. [/b]53And they stayed continually at the temple, praising God.
[td]1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."
6So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
7He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas
12Then they returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day's walk from the city. 13When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
15In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) 16and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus— 17he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."
18(With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.' 21Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."
23So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.[/td][/tr]
I have already posted in a previous thread the idea that Mark 16: 9-20 is considered as an interpolation by the majority on NT scholars. For more information of scholarly opinion about these verses, check the link http://www.bible-researcher.com/endmark.html.
With that in view, the credibility of the asecension account in Mark is seriously damaged, nevermind the claim of inerrancy and inspiration.
The account in Luke has Jesus staying with his apostle no more a period of 48 hours (or thereabouts) before ascending into heaven from a place near Bethany.
However, in Acts, the writer (presumably Luke) gives the impression that Jesus was with his apostles 40 days after his resurrection before ascending into heaven, from within the vicinity of Jerusalem (for he instructed them not to travels outside of Jerusalem)
So, my questions are:
1) How long was Jesus on earth after his resurrection before he was raised into heaven?
2) From which location was he raised into heaven?
3) Can we trust the NT to provide any reliable information about this character called Jesus?
Some of my other threads
The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism
When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven
When Was Jesus Born?
On The Prophesy Of The Virgin Birth Of Jesus [/b]13012dg
[b] Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence.
What Are Your Chances Of Being Saved?
Who Wrote The Gospels And When Were They Written?
God Selects The Rulers Of Countries; G W Bush, Sadam, Pol Pot, Abacha, Hitler
Cannibalism In The Bible: Det 28:53-57, Lev 26:29, Jer 19:9, Ezek 5:10, Lam 4:10
What Are The Core Tenets (doctrines, Value And Virtues) Of Christainity?
What Fate For Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Constantine And Tomás De Torquemada?
Is The Doctrine Of Trinity Biblical? The Johannine Comma
On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 2
How Is Salvation Achieved?
Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus?
Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories
Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11
Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles
When Was Jesus Crucified?
On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam)
Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists
Where Did Sin Originate?
For The Non-beleivers Only, 1
Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians?
On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1
Has Atheism Got Principle? No
It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage
Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era?
Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles
Great Books About Non-belief
Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You
Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages
What Is The Evidence That The Bible Is The Word Of God?
Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk
Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans
Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible
Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World
Genesis Vs Genetics
Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible
£300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition
Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses
|Re: When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven by Horus(m): 6:45pm On Feb 23, 2008|
1) How long was Jesus on earth after his resurrection before he was raised into heaven?
This bring others questions:
1)Was raised into heaven his physical body or his spiritual body?
2)Was there a spiritual resurrection?
After the alleged crucifixion, Yashu’a (aka Jesus) appeared several times to different people before he went to Galilee:
1-To Mary Magdalene disguised as a gardener. Why would a spirit have a disguise? . . .
2-To two travelers on the way to a village called Emmaus, with him they held a lengthy conversation. They didn’t know him. Why? Because he had on a disguise.
3-To the eleven disciples and ate and talked with them. Spirits do not eat the food of the Earth. . . If you saw a person that you had heard was dead and buried wouldn’t you think it was a ghost?
That’s exactly what the disciples thought. (Luke 24:36-37) He wanted them to touch his hands and feet. Why? He wanted them to feel the wounds he got during the fight in the Garden of Gethsemane. He wanted them to feel his flesh’s warmth and vitality. Thus he showed them that he was not a translated (gone from one state to another) body. He hadn’t metamorphosed and he obviously hadn’t resurrected because a resurrected body is a spiritual body, not physical. The New Testament says it over and over (I Corinthians 15:44-45, John 6:63).
|Re: When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven by ajadrage: 6:50pm On Feb 23, 2008|
|Re: When And From Where Did Jesus Ascend Into Heaven by olabowale(m): 10:27pm On Feb 23, 2008|
@Therationa: We in Is'lam believe that Jesus son of mary, the Messiah of the children of israel, the last prophet from the branch of Isiaq in the bloodline of Ibrahim (as to all of these noble prophets), ascended body and soul to heavens, by the power of his Creator the Almighty God. The exact location is irrelevant to his position with his Lord and those who truly worship God the Lord Almighty! God is capable of doing all things: afterall He created Adam without any prior example and then created Eve from just a part of him. He made both husband and wife descended from heavens, in body and soul!
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