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|Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 8:07am On Dec 18, 2012|
I would like to get an accurate description from every xtian who chooses to respond what heaven will be like.
Please try and follow the format below as best you can and leave out scriptural quotes.
Thank you all. Jews and Muslims feel free to join in if you prefer.
1. HOW BIG IS HEAVEN? Will it have oceans, continents, hot and cold terrain? Can I get a tan if I am in hot weather for too long? Can I go skiing and bob sledding?
2- WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? Most of what we do is linked to society, with morals playing a big part.
Will we live in the current era, medieval era, antiquity or some sort of futuristic era?
What type of technology will exist? Bear in mind there will be ppl from different eras who would need to grasp the technology.
Will we have jobs? How will that work out? Will we need to educate ourselves to get better jobs or will all be chosen for us?
3-WHO WILL WE MEET? Will we meet ppl from all races and ages, periods in history? Will we age? Will women get pregnant? Will there be childbirth?
4-WHAT TYPE OF ECONOMY?- How will the economy work? Any elaborate details please. capitalism, communism, other economic model?
5-WILL THERE BE ECONOMIC BOOM AND BUSTS?
6-WIll THERE BE WEALTH ? Will there be poverty?
7-WILL THERE BETECHNOLOGY? What if the available technology is too advanced to adapt to? Imagine Abraham trying to operate a computer. Will technology grow with time? Will there be technological advances?
8-WHAT TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATION WILL BE PRESENT? What about green technology? Will there be interplanetary travel? Will we be able to visit earth?
9-WILL THERE BE SEX? Will it be by polygamy or monogamy? If there is childbirth will we need pregnancy prevention?
10-WILL THERE BE WAR?
11-HOW WILL DISPUTES BE SETTLED? Who will be the judiciary?
12- WHAT TYPE OF GOVT SYSTEM WILL EXIST? Tell me more about this govt system? What type is it? Monarchy, democracy, constitutional monarchy, communist dictatorship, other form of dictatorship?How are the members of govt chosen? Are they elected by the common man? How long is their duration. What leadership/management/economic skills will they have to lead? From the bible I believe the govt is some form of monarchy With God as the reigning monarch.
I look forward to your concise descriptions.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by engrtee(f): 8:14am On Dec 18, 2012|
If we tel u, u wunt belive so y are u askin
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 8:21am On Dec 18, 2012|
engrtee: If we tel u, u wunt belive so y are u askin
A simple experiment.
You might educate other unbelievers who want to know what promises God has in store for them if they believe.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by Nobody: 9:13am On Dec 18, 2012|
engrtee: If we tel u, u wunt belive so y are u askin
Chai! Una no go kill me with laugh o.
Just say u have no idea and leave with some dignity please.
But op, u get humour o: abraham using a computer
Please don't finish them. I think we know they are all clueless.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by Nobody: 9:16am On Dec 18, 2012|
But on a slightly serious note, u guys could ask the holy spirit for answers. I'm sure he would be glad to help.
And for those who are always shouting ''I've been to heaven'', well this is for u to describe.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 11:40am On Dec 18, 2012|
inurmind: But on a slightly serious note, u guys could ask the holy spirit for answers. I'm sure he would be glad to help.
I have been banned twice by pyguru
Ok. To summarise, xtians spend so much time working towards heaven and evangelising unbelievers with heaven as the prize. Little is known about heaven and there is little uniformity in the beliefs relating to heaven.
This acid test is to establish whether there is a standardised heaven or not. I believe heaven is "whatever you want it to be" and hence its powerful draw. If it was standardised it would be rejected by a majority of ppl. It is vague like the bible to allow multiple interpretations to suit all needs.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 9:36am On Dec 19, 2012|
So no one wants to talk about heaven huh
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 9:59am On Dec 19, 2012|
Why would there be sex in heaven??....who made you think of that??....
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 2:05pm On Dec 19, 2012|
ijawkid: Why would there be sex in heaven??....who made you think of that??....
Why wont there be sex in heaven? Or are you saying there will not be any procreation? No preganancies? No childbirth?
If so, what else will heaven have/not have?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 3:30pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Sex and pro creation only takes place here on earth.........that is why God created the earth...........
The heavens is strictly occupied by spirit creatures who work tirelessly for GOD................giving birth and having sex is not one of the jobs being done there.....
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 3:48pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Ok. Obadiah said we can have as many wives as we want!!! Now you are saying there will be no sex or childbirth.
What about nuns? So they will never get to enjoy the pleasure of sex or childbirth in heaven? What type of everlasting paradise will not include s.ex
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 4:57pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Hahahahahahaha...........no mind obadiah ooo........
now the problem is many have taught for too long that everlasting life would only spent in the heavens..but the bible never teaches that.....everlasting life would also be spent here on the earth(a rejuvenated earth,not the earth we see today)..........
Persons who would go to heaven to spend eternity are the elect,and they would be going there to rule alongside with Christ.................they make up the new heaven(new rulership.)....obadiah was right as regards the rulership aspect........
##..So new earth = a new human society(they'll all be persons serving Yahweh and his son)....and they'll reside here on earth
##...new heaven = new rulership that is spare headed by Gods king designate, Jesus and his co -rulers..........and there kingdom is situated in the heavens(Yahwehs abode)....
All those who would enjoy everlasting life on earth would experience all the good things that are meant for humans............
You can read matthew 5:3 $ 5.........
Jesus mentioned the 2 destinations where righteous persons would spend eternal life,,,,,,.....
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 7:28pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Can you summarise it into my questions above so I geta clearer picture.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 10:55pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Atheist:-D:Heaven is Gods abode...and you can't get a tan there....lol......there is no time for play in the heavens....its work! Work!! And work!!!.......
Atheist:-D:See what ever endeavors you strive for here on earth is what you can never get in the heavens.........those who go to heaven wiLl have to live according to the standards existing in heaven........the standards that exist in heaven does not change .....
Atheist:-D:Ofcus peoples who will inherit the heavens would be persons from all races........but not from all ages or periods in history....they would only be persons who were baptized with water and the holy spirit(born again)...that would mean persons who accepted Christ from pentecost 33 C.E.........
That means abraham,abel,john the baptist,sarah,david,samuel and all faithful patriarchs that existed before the coming of Christ aint qualified to make up the elects that would go rule alongside with Jesus in heaven......rather they would spend eternity in the new earth that is to come.......
There aint going to be any buying and selling in heaven...no businesses.......there has never been....so there isn't any need for an economy in the heavens.....
Atheist:-D:Lol......naaaaa........NOOOOOOO.......spirit creatures don't need that......
Atheist:-D:Noooooo............spirit creatures are not aware of such...............because there make up is one that needs nothing but working for GOD......
Atheist:-D:Hahahahahaha...................nooooo.........spirit creatures don't need technology............
Atheist:-D:Lol................visiting earth??..........there won't be any need for that.........Jesus and his co-rulers would just do there jobs right from the heavens............no need for visiting.......and there wouldn't be any need for transportation........
There won't be any sex in heaven.....angels don't have sex....the heavens and the spirit creatures who occupy them don't and won't engage in sex......that's not what the heavens was made for.......the earth was made for that....
Not really.......if I could remember,war has already taken place in heaven........the war that drove satan down to the vicinity of the earth......after that there won't be any war in heaven.........its the earth that would experience the war of armageddon............
Atheist:-D:Yahweh is the ultimate judge...besides I don't think there would be disputes....everything would be done decently and by arrangement.....and perfect.....
Atheist:-D:THEOCRASY would be the form of government in the heavens....rulership by YAHWEH through his son Jesus Christ.........
There isn't any election whatso ever......Yahweh does the choosing and everybody obeys......
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by trolling(m): 11:21pm On Dec 19, 2012|
i can give you answers to your questions through scriptures but im instructed that speak not in the ears of a fool (who says there's no God) for he will despise your wisdom
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 11:57pm On Dec 19, 2012|
Good stuff. I have some more questions to flesh out a more accurate description. Also, according to you heaven already exists so I can assume everything is already in place. Your heaven is different from obadiahs
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 11:57pm On Dec 19, 2012|
trolling: i can give you answers to your questions through scriptures but im instructed that speak not in the ears of a fool (who says there's no God) for he will despise your wisdom
That is a cheap cop out.
Just put your answers and we can see how much you really know
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by trolling(m): 12:03am On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:yes its a cheap cop out for an atheist
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 12:11am On Dec 20, 2012|
So that is how you want to play it. Duck and hide when difficult questions are asked.
Do you know heaven is the easiest thing to describe? Why, because it is critical to Xtian doctrine. So why would you be so scared to discuss it openly?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by trolling(m): 12:16am On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:i have answers and documentation for all the question you asked but im instructed not to cast my pearls before swine
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by Image123(m): 1:04am On Dec 20, 2012|
strange things, the OP doesn't want Scriptures in a discussion about Heaven on a religion board? as in, is he high or low?
The most important questions are left out BTW. Two are, Will atheistd get to Heaven, and does atheistd want to get to Heaven?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 1:06am On Dec 20, 2012|
Obadiah has focused more on the new heavens,which as defined earlier is Gods heavenly government,which his son is the appointed king of that government.........
My points here are to explain the abode(heaven) Yahweh resides and what life would be like for those who will be going there to spend eternity..........
They will rule alongside with Christ from the heavens over the earth(new earth),of which there would be inhabitants....
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 1:38am On Dec 20, 2012|
Is that how you were taught to proselytze? By calling ppl swine? Wow.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 1:44am On Dec 20, 2012|
Image123: strange things, the OP doesn't want Scriptures in a discussion about Heaven on a religion board? as in, is he high or low?
Dont worry image those 2 questions are in another thread.
I dont want scripture quoted because of the vagueness to scripture. Ppl can interpret the same verse etc to have different meanings. You can break the scripture heaven into my format
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by trolling(m): 1:55am On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:lol....proselytze u say? well who can make what is crooked straight?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 2:07am On Dec 20, 2012|
God can ... No??
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by Image123(m): 2:54am On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:I'm more interested in the other thread.
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 8:11am On Dec 20, 2012|
Then you xan go to it. But before you head for the hills, do you believe ijawkids heaven is accurate or do you have something else in mind?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by AtheistD(m): 8:36am On Dec 20, 2012|
Ok, your 2 heaven philosophy has to be modified for the format. So here goes. There are 2 heavens or rather 1 heaven (where God resides) and earth. 144000 will be taken to participate in the experience of heaven with God. The structure for heaven is below with my comments. What about the earth? Who will populate earth and can you give me some details on it in regards to the questions I asked earlier?
So what type of atmosphere will heaven have? Is it hot? Cold? Sunny etc?
What standards are those? Will the 144000 be made aware of the standards? Your answer is very vague. It does not tell us what will be done in heaven.
So no Noah? No Abraham or David? Why not? Dont they deserve to enjoy heaven? They had a close relationship with God and now they are not part of the 144000?
ijawkid:GULP Even John the Baptist? Surely Elijah will be there? He was taken up into heaven already apparently?
ijawkid:Hmmmm.... no trade by barter etc. Okaaayyy....
ijawkid:No boom and busts
No poverty or wealth
ijawkid:No technology hmmmm.......
ijawkid:So no leaving heaven at all?
ijawkid:I heard that angels can have sex. Do you agree with that?
ijawkid:So what happens if we disagree with Gods judgement? Will we be cast out? Punished through a penal (incarceration and separation from the general public) means or some other form of punishment? Arent disputes part of free will?
ijawkid:Ok. Does God rule alone or does He delegate some duties? If He delegates then who to, why, what is delegated and how are the delegates selected?
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by ijawkid(m): 11:01am On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:The earth would be populated by righteous persons who had also obeyed God before the destruction of the wicked...it would be just as noah and his family survived the flood.......
Psalms 37:9 gives us a clue..
##..Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Because the wicked are destroyed and those
who hope in Lord Jehovah inherit the Earth.
Also psalms 37:29
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and
dwell upon it for eternity.
Always remember that Gods purpose for the earth hasn't changed.......and that purpose is that faithful and righteous humans dwell on it forever....
Lol......this question is so funny.......the atmosphere would be peaceful...that I'm sure of.........
Atheist:-D:The same standards faithful angels have been following is what the elect would have to follow too.....
Atheist:-D:YES..........remember it was through abraham that the elects are been blessed and having the priviledge to rule alongside with Christ...abraham would spend eternity on earth....that doesn't make him less important than those elected......everlasting life is all that matters,not where it is spent.....
Atheist:-D:.......elijah didn't go to the heavens Yahweh resides....scriptures later tells us that elijah sent a prophetic message after that incident were he was taken to the heavens(atmosphere) with fiery chariots...and Jesus also confirms that no man ascended into the heavens except himself that descended.....so elijah has the great priviledge of been ressurected to spend eternal life on a new earth.......
Wetin them wan trade?? Abi them wan sell pepper and tomatoes??..lol.......
Atheist:-D:Hahahahaha.....NAAAAAA....take ya time o....you think say na party go dey happen for heaven??.........
No......Yahweh supplies every individuals needs....besides spirit creatures aint worried about that like I said earlier......
No need for that.....Yahweh is more than any technology you can think of......
Atheist:-D:Nope......they'll be there with Jesus for all eternity.....
Atheist:-D:Yeah I do....they were renegade angels who chose to materialize to have s-ex with the daughters of men..........they engaged in such mis conduct here on earth,and not there in the heavens......
Atheist:-D:With satan and his demons cast out of heaven and destroyed I don't think there'll be anymore renegades to incite rebellion......all spirit creatures would be subject to Yahweh and his Son....there won't be disputes......the prophecies in revelation already tells us that....
Atheist:-D:God is the oga kpata kpata......he sits on his grand throne and gives the command to his son,who in turn leads the all the heavenly hosts in carrying out his Fathers purpose.......
Rulership is delegated to Jesus and the elect.............
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by trolling(m): 6:18pm On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:i thought u dont believe in God, what an hypocrite
|Re: Heaven... Pls Describe by Image123(m): 9:24pm On Dec 20, 2012|
Atheist:-D:I'm not interested in unscriptural discussion with you. Where is the thread you mentioned, that contains those important two questions?
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