tbaba1234:

SubhanAllah, You see no wrong in this innovation..

Do you love the prophet more than his companions? the ones who sacrificed their wealth and their lives for this message?

Did the companions of the prophet celebrate his birthday? No!!

The religion is complete, the prophet would have told us if we needed to celebrate his birthday.

The General: Did the prophet ask u to join NL too?

tbaba1234:

Lol... No

The general principle in Islam is this:

In matters of worship, Everything is prohibited unless there is evidence to prove otherwise.

In other matters, Everything is allowed unless there is evidence to prove otherwise...

This is the general principle in Islam... The last time i checked, Nairaland is not a matter of worship.

The General: who says maulud is worship?

OZAMMS: bismillah.of all this stories i didnt here you mention a hadith or a portion of the quran that says we should celebrate as muslims our deed are guided by quran and hadith dont be misled by any body

Rafidi :
Permissibility of Mawlid Based on the Quran:

1.) “So (as for) those who believe in him and honour him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.” (Surat A'raf: 157)

2.) ‘Say: Because of the (fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass.’ (Q.10:58).

3.) "And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds". (Q. 21:107)

4.) ‘Indeed Allah conferred a great favour on the believers when he sent among them a Messenger (Muhammad)’ (Q.3:164)

5.) ‘That is the Grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allah is the owner of Mighty Grace.’(Q.62:4)

6.) ‘And send salaam on him the day he (Yahya) was born, and the day he dies and the day he will be raised up to life (again).’ (Q.19:15)


Permissibility of Mawlid in Sunnah (Hadiths)

1.) In a Hadith narrated by Abu Qatada Ansari (rad), Allah's Messenger (SAW) was asked about fasting on Monday, whereupon he said: ‘It is (the day) when I was born and revelation was sent down to me.’

References:

a.) Sahih Muslim, Book 6 – Fasting, Vol. 7, Page 323, Hadith 2807
b.) Asad al-Gaba fi Ma’arfat as-Sahaba, Vol. 1, Page 21-22, published in Lahore 1987
c.) Sunan al-Kubra lil Bayhaqi, Vol. 4, Page 286
d.) Musannaf Abd ar-Razzak, Vol. 4, Page 296, Hadith7865
e.) Sunan Abi Dawood, Vol. 7, Page 255, Hadith 2428
f.) Musnad Ahmad, Vol. 49, Page 195, Hadith 23200


2.) The Prophet (SAW) himself celebrated his birth. In a Hadith narrated by Anas, in the Sunan of Imam Bayhaqi, (v.9 p.300 no. 43), states that the Prophet (SAW) sacrificed some animals and performed an aqiqa for himself after the announcement of his Prophethood.

Imam Suyuti states that this was not an aqiqa done in the traditional sense since his grandfather had already performed it. It is not possible to repeat an act of Shari’ah once it is already done. Imam Suyuti states that the reason for the sacrifice of the animals was an act of thankfulness and a celebration done by the Prophet (SAW) for his birth. Imam Suyuti concludes that it is mustahab (advisable) for us to celebrate the mawlid in ijtima (collectively) since the Prophet (SAW) sacrificed animals and distributed the food and thus we too should have a gathering and distribute food and rejoice in a good manner (‘Husn Maqsid fî `Amal-il mawlid by Imâm Jalâl ad-Dîn Suyûtî, pp. 64-6).

Some critics may argue that since the Prophet’s original aqiqa was done in the period of jahliyyah he wanted to repeat it to ensure its proper performance. However this is not a valid argument because why were other acts not repeated by the Prophet (SAW)? For example why did he not repeat his nikah to Hadrat Khadija (rad) which was originally done prior to Prophethood?


3.) Imam Al Suyuti, from Alhawi lil fatawi, wrote a chapter entitled ‘The Good Intention in Commemorating the Mawlid’ in which he said, ‘To commemorate the Mawlid, which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Qu'ran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth and the signs that accompanied it, then serving food, and afterwards, departing, is one of the good innovations; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet and expressing joy for his honourable birth.’


4.) Allama Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyyah, a renowned student of Imam Ibn Taymiyya, writes, in Madarij as-Salikin. ‘Listening to a good voice celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (SAW) or celebrating any of the holy days in our history gives peace to the heart, and gives the listener light from the Prophet (SAW) to his heart, and he will drink more from the Muhammadan spring’

5.) Ibn Kathir showing his appreciation of celebrating the Mawlid, mentions in Al Bidayah wan Nihayah the Islamic ruler Malik al-Muzzafar. He writes, ‘During Rabi ul Awwal he used to celebrate Mawlid with great celebration, Moreover, he was benevolent, brave, wise, a scholar, and a just person. Shaykh Abul Khattab wrote a book on Mawlid an Nabi for him and named it At-Tanwir fi Mawlid al Bashir al Nazeer, for which he gave him 1000 dinars. His rule stayed till the Rule of Salahiya and he captured Aka and he remained a man worthy of respect. Al-Sabt mentions that a person attending the gathering of Mawlid held by Muzzafar said: He used to fill the table with 5000 well cooked goats, 10,000 chickens, 100-thousand bowls (of milk) and 30,000 trays of sweets.’ This clearly indicates that the practise of Mawlid was commemorated by those who were authorities in Islam.

tbaba1234:

Celebrating Eid ul Fitr or Eid ul adha are acts of worship.... These are the only Eids sanctioned in Islam... Adding a third, Eid ul maulud is saying you know more than the prophet.

That is why he has said, after seeing that the people of Madeenah had two holidays which they celebrated from before Islaam, which is reported by Anas ibn Maalik that the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said,

"Allâh has given you better than those feasts: the ‘Eid-ul-Adh-haa (Feast of Sacrificing), and ‘Eid-ul-Fitr (feast of Breaking the fast)." [Sunan An-Nasaaee: English translation: (vol. 2, p.333, no. 1559), Sunan Abu Dauwud: English translation: (vol. 1, p.293, no. 1130). It is authenticated by Shaykh Al-Albaanee in Saheeh Sunan Aboo Daawood: vol. 1, p. 210, no.1004.]

There is no maulid, Is there?

Introducing something into the religion that the prophet did not sanction is frown upon... That is why i\he said:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Every newly introduced affair is an innovation. Every innovation is an error and every error is in the fire.” This is an authentic hadîth related by al-Tirmidhî and others.

`A’ishah, the Mother of the Believers relates that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces something new into this matter of ours that is not from it will have it rejected.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim] In another narration, it reads: “Whoever does an act that is not in accordance with this matter of ours will have it rejected.” [Sahîh Muslim]

Rafidi :


"eid al watan",which means "national feast" or what we celebrate as "independence day".so that is an additional "eid" the saudi salafists observe.if we are to strictly treat the word "eid" as an islamic terminology and not just an arabic word,then you should regard the saudi salafist as upholding an additional "eid" which is bid'ah.the Prophet (s) never observed the saudi national day as an "eid",or did he?

Rafidi :


"eid al watan",which means "national feast" or what we celebrate as "independence day".so that is an additional "eid" the saudi salafists observe.if we are to strictly treat the word "eid" as an islamic terminology and not just an arabic word,then you should regard the saudi salafist as upholding an additional "eid" which is bid'ah.the Prophet (s) never observed the saudi national day as an "eid",or did he?

Infoman51: D prophet only did two eids wich is eid fitr n eid adha but also taught us how to observe n celebrate it. If saudi decide to b doing eid watan dat is dere own problem n dey'll account for introducing such innovated eid. Am not a follower saudi but follower d Quran n d prophet. Any other eid introduce into religion of islam apart from eid fitr n adha is an innovation of an act of worship wich make it haram no matter wu is celebrating it. Dere is no evidence watsoever for maulid except d misinterpreting d word of Allah n dat of d prophet, quoting fake/daif headith or quoting d so called islamic schorlars without giving strong evidence to bak it up.

Infoman51: D prophet only did two eids wich is eid fitr n eid adha but also taught us how to observe n celebrate it. If saudi decide to b doing eid watan dat is dere own problem n dey'll account for introducing such innovated eid. Am not a follower saudi but follower d Quran n d prophet. Any other eid introduce into religion of islam apart from eid fitr n adha is an innovation of an act of worship wich make it haram no matter wu is celebrating it. Dere is no evidence watsoever for maulid except d misinterpreting d word of Allah n dat of d prophet, quoting fake/daif headith or quoting d so called islamic schorlars without giving strong evidence to bak it up.

Zhul-Fiqar.:


the flexibility of the saudi wahhabis in having a national day referred to as eid,goes to show you the flexibility of the arabic language and also the non-rigidness of the religion of islam which some people want to make rigid and pass rules based on nothing but sheer stubborness.i wonder what aspect of mawlid is "haram" for it to become an innovation.do we worship idols on mawlid? assuming evidence is not already cited on the Prophet (s) marking the day he was born in with activities like fasting and sacrifice,not everything that is "new" becomes "bid'ah" (forbidden/haram innovation).some people are happy in building a four wall box around their mind and calling that "islam".

ShiaLagos1: ^
the flexibility of the saudi wahhabis in having a national day referred to as eid,goes to show you the flexibility of the arabic language and also the non-rigidness of the religion of islam which some people want to make rigid and pass rules based on nothing but sheer stubborness.i wonder what aspect of mawlid is "haram" for it to become an innovation.do we worship idols on mawlid? assuming evidence is not already cited on the Prophet (s) marking the day he was born in with activities like fasting and sacrifice,not everything that is "new" becomes "bid'ah" (forbidden/haram innovation).some people are happy in building a four wall box around their mind and calling that "islam".

Rafidi :


what is the meaning of "sunnah" if you refer to observing Mawlid as "bid'ah"? (sunnah is not only what you like or choose to follow). have the fear of Allah! you will be brought to account for such false info based on salafist mental confusion.
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vedaxcool:

You statement shows clearly you don't fear Allah, how else do you explain how you shias choose what sunnah you follow? The hadith in your shia collection(the most authentic collection) that show Ali r.a gave his daughter hand in wedding to Umar r.a means what to you guys? Nothing, hadith showing Ali prayed tarawih means what to you people? Nothing! In essence u choose what you follow, and that is what you user name means rafidi rejecter of hadiths in essence choosing which hadith conveniently follow your logic while rejecting hadiths that actually reject such position! Fear Allah!

Lol detective Maclatunji remember I told u so!

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Zhul-fiqar:


the hadiths on celebrating Mawlid are acceptable hadiths with good grading and authenticity.Sunni scholar and Quran commentator,Jalaluddine al-Suyuti on the basis of what is reported validated mawlid and sees nothing wrong with following it.what is a new phenomenon and a bid'ah is wahhabism encroaching into Sunni minds and those calling for mawlid to be regarded as bid'ah.

you want to divert the topic into discussing something entirely different.but i would not dwell into your blasphemy that Imam Ali (as) gave his daughter to Umar,and the craftiness of a fabrication to counter the Shia on the bid'ah of taraweeh that our Imam Ali (as) prayed taraweeh.i will present Sunni hadiths (below) on the same Umar for your examination.then tell me if the hadiths are acceptable to you.what makes sense and what is authentic is clearly understood and identified by scholars of hadith.tell me if the below blasphemy against the Prophet (s),again to "uplift" the status of Umar are acceptable to you,while demoting the Prophet (s) and presenting him as someone who can be in the company of satan or influenced by an evil spirit to tolerate what is haram or emanating from satans's handiwork.

Shaykh Muhammad Nasir al-Din al-Albani, in his Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Sahihah, vol. 5, p. 330, Number 2261 (see also this link), records:
1.) Narrated Buraydah:
Allah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, went to one of his battles. When he returned, a black girl came to him and said, “O Allah’s Apostle, I made a vow that you Allah returned you safely (from the battlefield), I would beat the Daff and sing in front of you.” Allah’s Apostle said to her, “If you indeed made that vow, then beat. But if you did not, then do not beat.” Then she began to beat. Abubakr entered and she continued to beat. Ali entered and she continued to beat. Uthman entered and she continued to beat. But when Umar entered, she threw the Daff under her buttock and sat upon it. Upon this, Allah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, said, “Satan CERTAINLY fears you O Umar! I was sitting and she get beating. Abubakr entered and she continued beating. Ali entered and she continued beating. Uthman also entered and she continued beating. But when you, O Umar, entered, she threw away the Daff.
Shaykh al-Albani says:
Sahih

The same hadith has been recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi, in his Jami’ al-Tirmidhi, vol. 5, p. 620, Number 3690 (al-Albani ed.). Al-Tirmidhi himself says about the hadith: Hasan Sahih Gharib
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Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 108

2.) Narrated Sa'd:
'Umar bin Al-Khattab asked permission of Allah's Apostle to see him while SOME QURAISHI WOMEN were sitting WITH HIM and they were asking him to give them MORE FINANCIAL SUPPORT while raising their voices over the voice of the Prophet. When 'Umar asked permission to enter, all of them hurried to screen themselves. The Prophet admitted 'Umar and he entered, while the Prophet was smiling. 'Umar said, "May Allah always keep you smiling, O Allah's Apostle! Let my father and mother be sacrificed for you !" The Prophet said, "I am astonished at these women who were with me. As soon as they heard your voice, they hastened to screen themselves." 'Umar said, "You have more right, that they should be afraid of you, O Allah's Apostle!" And then he ('Umar) turned towards them and said, "O enemies of your souls! You are afraid of me and not of Allah's Apostle?" The women replied, "Yes, for you are sterner and harsher than Allah's Apostle." Allah's Apostle said, "O Ibn Al-Khattab! By Him in Whose Hands my life is, WHENEVER SATAN SEES YOU TAKING A WAY, HE FOLLOWS A WAY OTHER THAN YOURS!"

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One wonders why the wives of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family, have been referred to in this hadith simply as “some Quraysh women”! Also, in the other hadiths, a black girl was the agent of Satan through which he allegedly afflicted the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family. Guess who the Satanic agents are in the above hadith?
Sunnis need to re-think these hadiths. How could Umar have saved the greatest of the prophets, peace be upon them all, from the clutches on Satan on at least two occasions? Is this not evidence of Sunni belief that Umar was purer and better than the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family? We would love to see a logical Sunni response to this article.

In conclusion, we invite Sunnis to compare their hadiths with the clear implications of these verses:
[Shakir 15:32-44] He said: O Iblis! what excuse have you that you are not with those who make obeisance? He said: I am not such that I should make obeisance to a mortal whom Thou hast created of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape. He said: Then get out of it, for surely you are driven away: And surely on you is curse until the day of judgment. He said: My Lord! then respite me till the time when they are raised. He said: So surely you are of the respited ones Till the period of the time made known. He said: My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me, I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will certainly cause them all to deviate Except Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones. He said: This is a right way with Me: Surely, as regards My servants, you have NO AUTHORITY over them EXCEPT THOSE WHO FOLLOW YOU of the deviators. And surely Hell is the promised place of them all: It has seven gates; for every gate there shall be a separate party of them.
And:
[Shakir-Quran 5:105] O you who believe! take care of your souls; he who errs cannot hurt you WHEN YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT WAY; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will inform you of what you did.
And:


[Pickthall-Quran 16:98-100] And when thou recitest the Qur'an, seek refuge in Allah from Satan the outcast. Lo! he hath no power over those who believe and put trust in their Lord. His power is ONLY over those who make a friend of him, AND those who ascribe partners unto Him (Allah).
And:

[Pickthall-Quran 72:27-28] Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him that He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.

The facts speak for themselves.

excerpt from:

"Sunnis' Extreme Ghuluww With Regards to Umar!!!"

http://umar-ibn-khattab..com/2012/08/sunnis-extreme-ghuluww-with-regards-to.html

vedaxcool:

Yawms, please carry on with your biddah practice that imitates christianity, I was only pointing to rafidhi to stop his hypocrisy, shias literally dwells in choosing which hadiths follows their belief and reject whichever hadiths does not even if it is authetic, like the marriage of Umar r.a to Umm kultum! So before he tells others to fear Allah he should first admonish his shia for a crime they commit repeatedly! The muslim ummah needs to stop engaing in needless copying!

fellis:

I thought so. This LagosShia can be scary sometimes.

Zhul-fiqar:

maclatunji: People, that is enough. Obviously, both sides feel they are right. Let each person maintain their lane: "Allah will judge between us on that which we differ.

@Zhul-Fiqar, please remove the tagging of Vedaxcool in your post as 'Miskeen' or I will have to hide it.

Thank you.

tbaba1234:


SubhanAllah, You see no wrong in this innovation..

Do you love the prophet more than his companions? the ones who sacrificed their wealth and their lives for this message?

Did the companions of the prophet celebrate his birthday? No!!

The religion is complete, the prophet would have told us if we needed to celebrate his birthday.