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Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 10:49am On Feb 05, 2013 |
The fire at Tekunle Rehabilitation Centre, Ita-Oko Island. Please ignore the silly bigotry on the thread. https://www.nairaland.com/400138/area-boys-lagos-ibadan-action |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by lekkie073(m): 10:49am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Abdul Adam56: Naija i tire wuna.See lawan faruoq nd yusuf kabiru why not sent them 2 kirikiri,you jail a beggars to kirikiri?Corrupt nation.have u heard of the proverb 'ibi Pelebe lati n mu oole (moin moin ) je. start from the lower levels and proceed to d upper. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by holyvirgin: 10:50am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 10:59am On Feb 05, 2013 |
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Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Nobody: 11:01am On Feb 05, 2013 |
I witnessed a miracle at Adeyemo Alakija Rd, VI-Lagos some weeks ago. A blind beggar was escorted to my vehicle window to beg for alms. Unknown to the begging crew, there was a Lagos state task force vehicle by the other side of the road preying on them. On sighting the task force, the blind man regained sight and ran with the speed of a cheetah. That was the fight non-religious miracle i witnessed in 2013. Praise be to God. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by sucess001(m): 11:01am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Whilst some people are acting like political jobbers and saluting Fashola for 'cleansing Lagos' by jailing beggers,.. they fail to realise this whole issue arose because of the state's failure to provide social security. Shameless idiots in government! |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 11:03am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Billyonaire: I witnessed a miracle at Adeyemo Alakija Rd, VI-Lagos some weeks ago. A blind beggar was escorted to my vehicle window to beg for alms. Unknown to the begging crew, there was a Lagos state task force vehicle by the other side of the road preying on them. On sighting the task force, the blind man regained sight and ran with the speed of a cheetah. That was the fight non-religious miracle i witnessed in 2013. Praise be to God. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 11:07am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by dammytosh: 11:08am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Beggers cause nuisance jare. They should go and steal from the treasury or better still be SWAT ARMED ROBBERS. That way they will likely not get any jail term |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by creativemusic: 11:37am On Feb 05, 2013 |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by surgicalblade: 12:06pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
What is rong with nigeria the litle ocupation wey aboki get na him pain some people for body make una open mouth tell us to comut for nigeria becouse even for my national I .D card na beger for my international passport na beger even when i travel go saudi arabia na so so beging i take get money we i take de sponsor my people and you all know say beging na our culture. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Originalsly: 12:12pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
When are they going to prosecute the beggar barons? And are they going to prosecute or rehabilitate those who believe that they must give to beggars? I do believe that something should be done to reduce people from taking up begging as a career but jailing and fining them is too much.We have to be careful of how any government treat the poor...after them they would be coming for you. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by tomzman: 12:36pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Billyonaire: I witnessed a miracle at Adeyemo Alakija Rd, VI-Lagos some weeks ago. A blind beggar was escorted to my vehicle window to beg for alms. Unknown to the begging crew, there was a Lagos state task force vehicle by the other side of the road preying on them. On sighting the task force, the blind man regained sight and ran with the speed of a cheetah. That was the fight non-religious miracle i witnessed in 2013. Praise be to God.lmao. But seroiusly, these beggars are becoming something else in Lagos.You see able-bodied men and women begging for alms on the streets and at motor parks. In fact, there is a particular man without any disability at Ketu who comes to the motor pack everyday to beg. Everytime I see him, he tells me the same story of his hungry children. At a point, I got tired of the same old story and stopped pitying and giving him money. There is dignity in labour. Let the beggars go and work too. If we all go to the streets to beg, who will do the giving? I support the LASG on this. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Nobody: 12:44pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
[size=22pt]crazy country! big criminals who stole trillions of Naira, like Obasanjo and IBB are walking around freely. Yet we imprison people for being poor would we rather the beggars turn to crime to feed themselves? I respect Fashola, but I regret that he failed on this issue[/size] 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Nobody: 12:55pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
GenBuhari: [size=22pt]crazy country! [size=18pt]It's unbelievable the way people think They should go a step further and kill the beggars and destitute That is the permanent solution If not they will eventually be released from Jail and back to begging Fashola should gather them and kill them off,go to poor neighborhoods and gas them all to prevent poverty and possible begging.[/size] |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Mogidi: 12:58pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
GenBuhari: [size=22pt]crazy country! I whole heartedly agree with you. The beggers would make more money if they had weapons to force you to hand over your belongings. The real political thieves are walking the streets as govs and ex-generals and you pick on the lowest in the society to punish. I think Fashola has lost his way and he's now pursuing the mandate of the elites. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Hardfact: 2:19pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
To enact laws banning begging on our streets and enforce them in line with our Lagos MegaCity project seems really fantastic. If those humbled to the extent of begging cannot actually get some help, pray they dont try achieving same through rather violent/forceful or more dangerous means like pure armed robbery or even worse. Govt should thread with caution on these issues. Wonder what it'd look like if it was 30 typical Lagos troublesome agberos/areaboys that were sent to jail for extorting/robbing, not even begging instead? |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Hardfact: 2:51pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Billyonaire: I witnessed a miracle at Adeyemo Alakija Rd, VI-Lagos some weeks ago. A blind beggar was escorted to my vehicle window to beg for alms. Unknown to the begging crew, there was a Lagos state task force vehicle by the other side of the road preying on them. On sighting the task force, the blind man regained sight and ran with the speed of a cheetah. That was the fight non-religious miracle i witnessed in 2013. Praise be to God.Well, Haleluya. But govt should still thread with caution 'cause I know of a miracle too where someone who could only offer a beggar N20 suddenly produced N200,000 when threatened by armed robbers @same traffic spot. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by warrior01: 2:58pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
In as much as no right thinking govt condones alms begging, Is sending poor beggers to prison the right way to solve the problem? Why do Lagos state govt detest the poor so much like this? How many agberos/ area boys who are the real menace to our societal welbeing have they sent to prison? Rather, they are engaged to fight their political battles and encouraged to harass and rob other law abiding citizens of the country. If not for sheer hypocricy, why should a sane person hail this anomaly and, at the same time condemn the Fct minister who have chosen to rehabilitate these poor beggers/ LovePeddlers?Rather than send them to prison for the failure of leadership, why can the Lagos state govt rehabilitate or betterstill, provide them with jobs. Being poor is not a crime rather failed leadership should be. I rest my case. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 3:36pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Sigh! I'm going to have to post it on this thread. Anyway, it contains much of the info. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 3:37pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
naptu2: There's something missing in the article above & that's the voice of the people that were returned (note: returned, not deported). It also seems that people do not know the details of the Lagos State policy. Nobody is deported (that would be unconstitutional), rather, people are returned (which is constitutional and within the laws of Lagos State). naptu2: I'm going to recount from memory because I'm on the move at the moment, but I'll try to get articles, etc when I get to a place of rest. The sources for my memory are newspaper articles, documentaries of Lagos Television, news reports and even nairaland. [size=14pt]Press Releases naptu2: I didn't post the link to the source of that article, but I'll tell you the source. It is taken from Bola Tinubu's website. naptu2: Now, for a bit of balance, a more critical article. Written by Reuben Abati, the article provides a lot more information (including figures of people returned, etc) naptu2: Before we go on, why is there so much emphasis on "Fashola"? These laws were inherited from previous administrations. The Tinubu administration also returned destitutes, etc and this action is being taken by the Lagos State Government (Ministry of Social Welfare). [size=14pt]The beggars' opera in Lagos[/size] naptu2: Now, my criticism of the article. naptu2: By the way, this practice is not limited to Lagos State. Abuja has also returned people to their states of origin. [size=14pt]Lagos, Abuja accused of dumping destitutes in Kaduna[/size] http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/09/lagos-abuja-accused-of-dumping-destitutes-in-kaduna/ naptu2: naptu2: I was about to provide some context and background on the story, when I heard something (very funny) on the BBC. [size=14pt]Background and context [/size] Unfortunately, the Lagos State Ministry of Justice website has not been the same since it was attacked by hackers early this year. I was going to repost the environmental sanitation act. Environmental sanitation law has always been controversial in Lagos. People always complain about the state of the environment, but they complain even more when government takes steps to remedy the situation. Back in the 1980s people often quoted the report that stated that Lagos was the dirtiest city in the world. Foreign news stations often showed pictures of Oshodi, kids hawking in traffic (dodging cars, etc), heaps of refuse on road median, etc. The people often complain about the presence of lunatics who wander the streets aimlessly. Government response to these problems have included: 1) Colonial governments deploying health inspectors (the infamous "Wole Wole" ) to ensure that houses, markets, etc were kept clean. The people hated these health inspectors and accused them of bribery (I remember comedy sketches which depicted health inspectors stealing meat from people's pots in the guise of ensuring that the food was suitable for consumption). 2) Military governments deploying soldiers, policemen and other officials (environmental offences task force) to chase away beggars, street traders and other offenders. It was seen as a futile effort, because the traders and beggars would return to the same spot hours later. The law was amended to include the forfeiture of goods seized during such raids and imprisonment of offenders. The task force would seize the goods and burn them. Fela Anikulapo-Kuti sang The time around 1975 and '77, police go seize expensive goods dem go start to burn burn them. Army go go market, anything cost money go burn burn dem (2x). (Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, "Confusion Break Bone", c1980) The people were sympathetic towards the traders and beggars and believed that the task force was cruel and inhuman. The public felt that these people were only trying to earn a living and their presence on the streets was a result of the economic decline caused by the government. It was also felt that sentencing these people to jail would mean sending them to a training centre where they would learn how to become hardened criminals (besides, the prisons were already over crowded. How many prisons would be built to accomodate the vast army of beggars and street traders?). 3) The return to civilian rule in 1999 ushered in a wave of ammendments to the law. The year 2000 amendment created the Kick Against Indiscipline Corps (basically, the environment police) and made the public-private system the only legal means of disposing waste in Lagos. It became illegal to patronise cart pushers and residents were given bin bags for free. Several markets were also closed because the market men and women engaged in street trading and improper means of disposing refuse. The 2003 amendment presented offenders with 3 choices, rehabilitation, repatriation or jail. This amendment was made because the government realised that the prison system was over crowded and thus it would not make sense to keep sending people who break the environmental sanitation laws to jail. Sending them to jail also created bad publicity for the government. Offenders would often be more hardened and a greater danger to the society when they were released than when they were sent to jail. It was therefore decided that jail term would be a last resort. Offenders would be given a second chance at life via the rehabilitation process. They could also choose to return to their home state via the repatriation process (some realised that it's better to farm in their home state, than to sleep on the streets of Lagos). Their home state government or relatives would be informed ahead of time, so that they can take steps to rehabilitate the returnees. For example, in the documentary I watched, the Kano State Government gave returnees some money to ease the process of resettlement. Indeed, it was discovered that gangs of criminals act as agents, ferrying people from their home states to Lagos for a fee, promising them jobs when they get to Lagos and subsequently dumping them on the streets of Lagos. These gangs are particularly active in Kano State and Niger Republic. The City of Kano used to be the great economic centre of the sahel region of Africa. People came from far and wide to work in the factories in Kano City. However, chronic electricity cuts have led to the closure of many factories. Criminal gangs promise to help these people get jobs as security guards, okada riders, etc in Lagos in exchange for a fee and dump the people on the streets of Lagos. In contrast, the rehabilitation and repatriation process would change the lives of offenders and enable them to become respectable and independent citizens. Further amendments to the law since 2007 (Fashola administration) have made it illegal to give alms to beggars. Citizens are expected to channel such donations to registered charities, orphanages, destitute's homes, churches, mosques and other such institutions. It also provided the option of community service for people who break the law. It should be noted that, under the law as it was before the 2003 amendment, the people who are currently being returned, would have been sent to jail. Finally, it's a pity that the author of the article that the OP republished did such a shoddy job. He should have interviewed the returnees and then interviewed Lagos State Government officials. This would enable the public to know whether the scheme is still being implemented the way it was conceived, or whether it has derailed (the rehabilitation process suffered a setback when the Ita-Oko centre was burnt by inmates. Please ignore the bigotry in the link https://www.nairaland.com/400138/area-boys-lagos-ibadan-action ). Rather than doing this, the author wrote a sensational piece (probably to maximise sales/views) that made it seem like the returnees were forcibly deported and that they were returned simply because of their state of origin. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 3:49pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Destitute's home (beggar's colony), Oko-Baba, Ebute-Metta, Lagos (renovated by the Lagos State Government). The structures were put in place by the Lagos State Government, but it is run by the beggars (they have a chairman, secretary, etc). |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by pastie(m): 5:01pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
BUNCH OF LAZZY PEOPLE |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by blamelessly(f): 5:29pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Area boys should also be removed from Lagos' streets. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Davidogar(m): 5:51pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
naija police if hungry don dey catch una lik diss, una no dey look face again, as e don reach diss level lik diss, na beggers now ba |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Alleinad(f): 6:52pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
I find this very amusing and funny. Maybe because I don't stay in Lagos anyway but the AG has valid points, I know a beggar in abuja that has properties and buses on the road yet she keeps begging and I know a beggar that hosts a party every friday for his beggar colleagues. Ride on Fashola, I hope other states emulate as well. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by sample042(m): 7:04pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Well, am nt a Lagosian n I dont reside in Lagos bt frm wat i'v read so far I think Fashola is highly endowed wit knwldge n i so much respect d way he executes his policies. D optns he gave 2 d beggars are fantastic. Shld it be a hard nut 2 crack for d beggars 2 go for rehabilitatn or repatriatn rather than prison? Hmmmmmmm! |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Afam4eva(m): 7:54pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
But why are Agberos never remembered in all of this. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 8:01pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Afam4eva: But why are Agberos never remembered in all of this. Actually, the first set of people that were arrested were agberos (circa 2003/2004). The NURTW then took Lagos State to court, praying the court to declare that bus stops and motor parks are public places and their members have the right to stay there and that the government's action infringed on their right to freedom of movement. The NURTW won. I believe that the government lawyers did a bad job. The agberos shouldn't have been arrested for staying at the motor park, but for collecting illegal levies. That's what's being done now under the new traffic law. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by Afam4eva(m): 8:10pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
naptu2:If this is true then i believe it was staged. How can people who have continually extorted money from innocent Lagosians be left to operate freely yet people who just beg(not force) people to give them money are been jailed. I'm not holding a bried for the beggars as i also feel they constitute a nuissance to the society but the Agberos constitute even more. They are thieves and should be treated as such. But the ACN government from the time of Tinubu have paid lip service to getting rid of agberos. I wonder why that is the case. |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 8:28pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
Lol. The government have repeatedly tried to get rid of agbero (even governor Marwa tried using soldiers against them, but was only partially successful). 1) I've already given you the 2004/2005 example (you say it was staged, but that doesn't mean it was actually staged). 2) The City Bus experiment would have wiped out agberos in Lagos. City Bus was given a concession to run transport business in Ikoyi, Victoria Island and Lekki. Danfo and Molue buses were banned from these areas (as a prelude to banning them across the state), therefore no more agbero. The agberos damaged many City Buses and bus stop shelters because they were losing their daily bread. 3) Check this out https://www.nairaland.com/1011252/lagos-insists-ban-nurtw-comply Since the enactment of this law, agberos have disappeared from Falomo bus stop and some other bus stops in the city. It hasn't been total or complete, but it's a start (in much the same way that the law against begging has been in force, but we still have beggars, ditto for the law banning okada). |
Re: Lagos Sends 30 Beggars To Jail by naptu2: 8:44pm On Feb 05, 2013 |
I hope Pyguru doesn't ban me. Note that these arrests were carried out before the 2012 traffic law came into force, which is why there is a distinction between fees collected at the motor park and fees collected outside the motor park. |
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