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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by hayubee(m): 1:19pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
*Lies* don't deceive us, Allah swt said in d holy Quran: kill not your child in cause of sustainable for it is Allah that provides for you and your children.-suratul Nisai-. So don't think you can modernize islam cos islam is more modern than you think. Allah has said many things in d Quran 1400 yrs ago which science is jus comin 2 discover Look the future leading economies are the most populous eg: india, china russia host of odas y cos dir makin use of dir population wisely! |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by 1oracle(m): 2:00pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
nyere84: Who ask you dis rubbish u are spiting 4rm ur mouth?? If u dont knw wat to say, cant u shut dat gutter u called mouth??Stop the abuse please. He is saying the truth. If not how come we have 10 million alamajiris in northern Nigeria? |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by ashson: 2:46pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
I see nothing wrong in having many children, infact its good to have a large family. China is the most populous country in the world, and better still it is one of the most developed countries in the world. Lets learn how to use human resources and come out with something better. abortion and killing innocent children is not the answer. 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by royalistic: 3:36pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
Family planning is something that needs to be introduced into secondary school curriculum to get the information across to all starting from there cos its not all students that will study beyond this level and as such may not have the priviledge to know about it. Another important place to pass this education is churches mosque and antenatals for pregnant women. The importance is great particularly in the health of d woman whose health is majorly affected through child bearing. family planning enables u to have just the number of children u think u can afford to train without putting their neccesities into jeorpady cos of poverty, enables d woman to remain strong, elegant, remain in good shape and not losing her life through numerous child bearing process 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by free2ryhme: 4:01pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa ooo |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by kunlej2: 5:32pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
i know an hausa man (driver. salary =#25,000) that has 4 wives and 33 children. besides, he is still counting and in late 50s |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by digospel2: 5:54pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
Walexz02: When there is conplication during pregnancy that led to evacuation of the embryo, that is not abortion because it is meant to save the Mother. Abortion is a deliberate, wilful or intentional termination of pregnancy by declaring it as unwanted which without apology forbidden by the Almighty God. It is tatamount to murder and punishable in hell. If you are practising it, please repent else you will end up in hell burning with fire and brimstone. 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by deols(f): 6:16pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
digospel2: is that a medical or a lay man's definition of abortion? I asked because you used the word embryo. Of course, no one should deliberately go on and abort a baby if not in danger. But can use contraception. if contraception fails and pregnancy occurs, the baby must be kept. deliberate abortion is allowed only when the woman is in danger. wa Allahu a'lam. 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Ayoobscom(m): 6:20pm On Mar 06, 2013 |
Jazakalahu khairan @op..interesting and very educating.....from the very stage of ensoulment it becomes a murder...I will save this in my archives |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 2:09am On Mar 07, 2013 |
free2ryhme: scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa ooonot quite dear. Only trained scholars may interprete the scriptures. For it to be otherwise will be chaos. When you finish a chapter of any good educational book what do you see? A lot of references to contributing scholars. Same thing applies here. Simply being organized. |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by PENMIGHT(m): 7:35am On Mar 07, 2013 |
Bismillah. All praises to Allah. May He shower blessings on Muhammad Rasuululah. Allah says " So ask the people of Reminder(scholars) if u do not know". This matter bothers about Fiqh Waqi'(Contemporary Jurispudence),hence an issue that cannot be discussed without sound knowledge. Firstly,@OP Imam Gazaali as quoted in ur post do not expressly allow the concept of Family Planning through use of Contraceptives. Even though scholars differ greatly on this issue, the numbers of those that are against it far outnumber those in support.Here is a concise positions of Scholars on preventing pregnancy EVEN AT THE NUTFAH(first forty days) stage: Al-Ramli said in Nihaayat al-Muhtaaj (a Shaafa’i book) (8/442): al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The scholars differed concerning the nutfah before forty days, and there are two views. It was said that it is not proven that it comes under the same ruling as abortion and infanticide, and it was said that it is protected and it is not permissible to harm it, and it should not be expelled after it has settled in the womb, unlike ‘azl (coitus interruptus) which occurs before it reaches the womb. Al-Ghazaali referred to this matter in al-Ihya’ and said, stating that ‘azl is unlike the former case: This is not like abortion and infanticide because those are offences against a living being. The first stage of existence is when thesperm reaches the womb and mixes with the woman’s water, so harming it is an offence. If it has become an ‘alaqah or a mudghah, then the offence is more serious, and if the soul hasbeen breathed into it and it has become a human being then the offence is even worse. Then he said: It is unlikely that it is not forbidden. End quote. Apart from the above the following are good reason why modern day family planning / Population Control are prohibited- (1) It is following the way of d kuffar-" he who imitate a group is part of them", "towards the end of time my ummah will follow d footsteps of d kuffar steps after other until if they enter the hole,they will follow'. (2) There are proven adverse effect of pills or injected stuff on the woman- Allah says-" Do not kill urself . To the best of knowledge available to us, Family Planning as propagated by the west as a means of population Control is pro hibited. ALLAH KNOWS BEST! 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 11:04am On Mar 07, 2013 |
^ right, but we are living in a western controlled political era, with its attendant socio-economic practices. There are no jobs; Muslims have become corrupt, dishonest just trying to survive. Muslim countries that are not oil producing are in a sorry state. Isn't it just expedient to live within your means as an individual, and for the state to plan according to its income/gdp? Is this really imitating the kuffar or being sensibly practical? |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by tmama01: 1:48pm On Mar 07, 2013 |
well nice post but I wonder why some of the commenters use ds means to Insult our Northern brothers cos de re predominantly muslims ryt? Dat in itself is bad cos muslims are everywhere and this message is for all just the Islamic perspective. Thanks |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 11:33pm On Mar 08, 2013 |
Muslim jurists and abortion Many Muslim scholars have discussed the thorny question of abortion. They have based their discussion on the division of the development of foetus into two stages. According to them, the whole period of pregnancy can be divided into two stages: the first 120 days, and the remaining period before childbirth. Most classical Muslim jurists claim that it is permissible to have an abortion for valid reasons during the first stage. All Muslim scholars agree that the foetus changes to a human being after 120 days of conception. The following hadith also supports this point. The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfah, then it becomes an 'alaqah for an equal period, then a mudghah for another equal period, then the angel is sent and he breathes the soul into it." This view of embryonic development was central to the Muslim arguments on abortion. According to Muslim scholars, it is lawful to have an abortion during the first 120 days, but after the stage of ensoulment, abortion is prohibited completely except where it is imperative to save the mother's life. The Hanafi scholars, who comprised the majority of orthodox Muslims in later centuries, permitted abortion until the end of the four months. According to them, a pregnant woman could have an abortion without her husband's permission, but she should have reasonable grounds for this act. One reason which was mentioned frequently was the presence of a nursing infant. A new pregnancy put an upper limit on lactation, and the jurists believed that if the mother could not be replaced by a wet-nurse, the infant would die. A considerable majority of the Maliki jurists described abortion as completely forbidden. In their view, when the semen settles in the womb, it is expected to develop into a living baby and it should not be disturbed by anyone. According to Ibn Jawziyyah, when the womb has retained the semen, it is not permitted for the husband and wife, or one of them or the master of the slave-wife, to induce an abortion. After ensoulment, however, abortion is prohibited absolutely and is akin to murder. [19] Many Shafi'i and Hanbali scholars agreed with the Hanafis in their tolerance of the practice, some putting an upper limit of forty days for a legal abortion, others eighty days or 120 days. |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 10:20pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
Dnt mind them,modenist muslims supporting birthcontrol when mothers life is not threatened,Allah specifically says he supported the Bani Israhil by multiplying them,giving them many sons,yet this ignorants thinks over population brings poverty,i tell you Allah is the only one that regulate this population we are sweating to control,he only knows how to control it however He wants,if you want to know what causes your poverty,ask BANKI MOON,THE ROYALS OF THIS WORLD AND THE EVIL CAPITALIST and ofcourse your ever corrupt politicians who mismanage all Allah gives you because you prefare not to fight while fighting is good for you,the end you get is unending poverty oppression. hayubee: *Lies* don't deceive us, Allah swt said in d holy Quran: kill not your child in cause of sustainable for it is Allah that provides for you and your children.-suratul Nisai-. So don't think you can modernize islam cos islam is more modern than you think. Allah has said many things in d Quran 1400 yrs ago which science is jus comin 2 discover |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:39am On Aug 02, 2014 |
All your reasoning stinks with kufr,modernist muslim,must you live in a crazy ribalised west?Alhamdullilah Allah's own salafi mujaheeds wnt stop defending his coursel.I say a big NO to all you said. snubish: ^ right, but we are living in a western controlled political era, with its attendant socio-economic practices. There are no jobs; Muslims have become corrupt, dishonest just trying to survive. Muslim countries that are not oil producing are in a sorry state. Isn't it just expedient to live within your means as an individual, and for the state to plan according to its income/gdp? Is this really imitating the kuffar or being sensibly practical? |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:46am On Aug 02, 2014 |
Tell them o. digospel2: |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:50am On Aug 02, 2014 |
you are right jo. maclatunji: |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 6:08am On Aug 02, 2014 |
Abortion and islam. The Quran and hadiths have no mention on abortion. Yet, somehow, we are talking about an islamic view on abortion. No mention of condoms....the closest to it in the Holy books is the mention of "coitus interruptus". Facts do not sit well with religionists |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 6:09am On Aug 02, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: 1) Laws against abortion do not reduce abortion- they only make abortions unsafe |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:21pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
Akpaife: In hausa land barrow pusher dey marry three wives born 12 children n even plan 2 born more, dat why u see some piple go enter boko harm some go join bad boysExplain to me why there are bad boys in the South including the SE which is predominantly Christian Now try and explain the yahoo-yahoo prevalence in the South Explain where these countries that have majority Christian populations are very very violent Mexico, Colombia, Honduras, Brazil etc |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:29pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
free2ryhme: scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa oooWe are taught how to eat, drink, brush our teeth, drive cars etc But according to you we should not learn how to relate with God Nobody has a monopoly of knowledge of social etiquette, medicine, dentistry, art or even walking But we need to learn to become proficient That is why a new-born human cannot survive by him/herself While a new born goat walks on the same day |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:32pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Abortion and islam.Of course the Qur'an does Crack it open and read it before you tell us what it mentions and does not As regards facts, we are here We are posting The Qur'an warns us against killing our children due to fear of poverty These are all facts And we are proud of our religion Alhamdu li Llah that we were created and given a book of guidance 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:34pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
Gabrielsylar: Pls don't question God...let naija become 500million that's what god wants....And insha Allah it will happen I know that atheists want it reduced to 20million 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:37pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
Frostyzone: To avoid being banned, please ensure that Do you need to offend anyone to get your point across? However, it would be better to stick to the truth What I see is this To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to any religion 1 Like |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by vedaxcool(m): 2:42pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
^ Chei!! Nl christians can lie, sharagada!!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 5:17pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
BetaThings: A child is not a foetus. There is no mention of abortion in the Quran. |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by siddiq202(m): 5:59pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
BetaThings:Salam bro, That post had been there before admin changed the warning to what it is now. Your point stand though. He doesn't need to be offensive before passing his message across. |
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by vedaxcool(m): 9:07pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
siddiq202: The guy was simply lying, it clearly now reads do not post . . . Religion, it has been so since last year if not more. Their art of telling barefaced lies is mind boggling. |
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