ooman:

You must be a blind eediot. Did you not read this : Am only suggesting that death means increase in entropy of the environment and for that reason, he should not kill himself. Any other reason why he wanted to die is his
problems. I do notnot care- Etc.

wiegraf:

And you missed the parts of my post where I show that is such a stoopid thing to consider, probably even wrong considering how death facilitates life, even muslims would be ashamed to state it?

ooman:

How does death facilitate life?

Are we weak and heavy laden, cumbered with a load of care?
Precious Savior, still our refuge; take it to the Lord in prayer.

Do thy friends despise, forsake thee?
Take it to the Lord in prayer!
In his arms he'll take and shield thee;
thou wilt find a solace there.

mazaje: Shut up ooman!!. . .

MacDaddy01:


Yeah...Ooman shut up!!

musKeeto:

Shut up, ooman the homosapiens...

Image123: oooooooooooooooh, never knew nl atheists had denominations too. They usually act all sanctified and straight. Anyways, what was that trash mazaje posted on the first page? Atheists that 'have it all' still contemplate suicide and feel empty. You really need to go round more or read wider, aexposure. And what was that preaching you are giving your congregation? Tiny tiny daily meanings and an ultimate cumulative meaninglessness? i don't buy that, at all, not even for free.

MacDaddy01:




Nobody is perfect....not even atheists....most atheists (ex-christian or ex-muslim or ex-jew) go through a depression stage after realising that they were lied to their whole lives. This gets worse if the atheists has religious family and friends.


I dont know where you got the notion that "atheists" have it all. mtchew

musKeeto:
Na you get time to answer dumb-ass trolls.. This particular one has had nothing to offer since the time of Abraham..

ooman: Anyone who wants to commit suicide should go right on. I have no time to babysitter any eediit whose life is a waste from the beginning.

wiki: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

wiegraf:

Eya, your intentions were honest. You thought someone was suicidal, someone who went out of his way to state he wasn't so in anyway whatsoever btw, then just posted the first thing that came to your mind. It's a little like this, even if not exactly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor



Your case was not malice, but you get the point (I hope). Anyways, that's no excuse to say something so spectacularly vacuous as most other people wouldn't do the same in similar situations. Btw, I had to mention muslims before you realized the scope of your folly. You no try for them...at all.

Perhaps you should stop and think before you post? It helps. For instance, if I wasn't replying so quickly I would have noted that your eating other life to sustain yourself sort of illustrates entropy. Sort of. You eat the your meal, convert the poor dead whatever to energy, you've now switched from one type of order (dead meat) to another (energy/matter that you would use). You cannot convert that energy back into the meat. You could try, but not without loosing/expending resources which are lost irretrievably. So even if you were a supa-dupa scientist, whatever process used would involve you expending energy/matter irretrievably one way or the other. So the end result? Overall entropy always increases, or overall disorder if you like. Eventually everything will become essentially useless. This isn't the best way to put it probably, but it will have to do until I have more time to come edit it.

And don't get so depressed, you now sound suicidal. Do you need a hug? Even if it all seems pointless and what not remember that you could always set goals for yourself. You don't need god to do that for you, after all, he used the same tools you possessed to set out goals for you; consciousness? Don't you have people you want to help smile? Don't you have religionists you want to troll? Things you want to do, eg better humanity's lot? Think about that before you jump off a cliff.

(random: I wonder if I have to stress assuming in this case as well...)

ooman:

yawns, absolute nonsense. Got no time to read this c.rap. There is nothing sensible that can come from a person who think that entropy equals order.

wiegraf:

You really do need crayons, picture books (preferably with stories feature miracles), etc to grasp this.

ooman:

blah blah blah of a pig!!

wiegraf:

lol

Anyways, in order to work I have to be seriously entertained by one thing or the other else my brain will fail to concentrate, hence procrastination. You, good sir, are just about providing enough entertainment. I might actually start working soon. Thank you

ooman:

can you just shut up??

wiegraf:

Ok, ok. Just don't jump. We'll miss you, truly

ooman:

Black blah. You are a total waste of time. Will never engage you again.

musKeeto: *off to open an account called ChristOoman*

MacDaddy01:




Nobody is perfect....not even atheists....most atheists (ex-christian or ex-muslim or ex-jew) go through a depression stage after realising that they were lied to their whole lives. This gets worse if the atheists has religious family and friends.


I dont know where you got the notion that "atheists" have it all. mtchew

Image123:
would do you good to re-read my post again until you understand it. You may start with maza's post on the first page to 'hopefully' get some perspective.

MacDaddy01:

mazaje: What makes our lives meaningful is that we find the activities we engage in to be worthwhile. Atheims is all about the here and now. We have one life to leave and as such we should make the best use of it. . .I know that religion bribes people with the myth of the after life, but the here and now is actually the most important to us all. Even the theist that keep talking about the after life all cry and wail when they come face to face with death. . .Our determination to carry out projects we have created for ourselves gives our lives meaning. The things that make us happy and give our lives meaning like family, friends, good food, sex, educationalaccomplishments, music, sports and other forms of entertainment are not eternal but they all give our lives meaning. We feel that life is meaningless when most of our desires which we regard as important are frustrated. Whether we regard life as meaningful or meaningless depends on the degree to which our important desires are frustrated. The judgments that we make about our lives on these points are the same regardless of whether one's life is eternal or not or whether it is part of a greater purpose or not. Perhaps the secret to a meaningful life is to focus on those desires which we can fulfill and diminish those which we cannot provided that we know the difference between the two.

Life is very meaningful own its own. . .It doesn't require any divine intention to make it meaningful. . .We chose to give our lives meaning by engaging in activities that make us live happy lives which translates to meaning. . . .From the fact that death is inevitable it does not follow that nothing we do matters now. On the contrary, our lives matter a great deal to us. If they did not, we would not find the idea of our own death so distressing it wouldn't matter that our lives will come to an end. The here and now matters because what we do in the here and now is what makes our life meaningful. Meaning all depends on an individual. . .