Boomark:

What you should bro asking is how common is it among married pastors. That is a fair comparison. Minus fake pastors. You then tell urSelf the honest truth.

the honest truth is that protestant pastors who can freely marry still abuse children.
I just remembered a brazilian pastor who told his congregation that d holyspirit anointed his pe.nis to produce spiritual milk, he got many ladies who wanted d holyspirit milk.

Ubenedictus: yes!!! Na lie u talk, incase u no some catholic priest are married.

So you've got married priests??.......then why we dey argue since??.........so are you saying the law of celibacy does nt hold anymore??

Ubenedictus: i dont remember if his wife was even mentioned after he became an apostle. Only his mother in law was.

yeah, tell me about your theory of how celebacy causes heterosexuals to become homosexuals.

i have seen it. It clearly says "in latter times..." if we forbade marriage like dat passage says then how come marriage ceremony are celebrated in d catholic church every week.

What are u insinuating about peter from your statement??....are you trying to say peter threw away his wife to practice an enforced life of celibacy??..

You guÝs forbid marraige for those who reach out fÓr the priestly office...abi no be forbid be that??........

Ubenedictus: please do you know someone who was prevented from marriage.

Your priests or those who are reaching out for the priestly office.........don't act like you don't know what we are discussing here....

Ubenedictus: the ratio is much lower than 1 out of 12 incase u are unaware.

Hmmmm.......just wait until the reports come out.........

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear u've gat d flow all wrong. People dont become pedophiles becos they were celibate, pedophilia is a deep seated attration to children right from youth, homosexuals do no turn homosexual becos they were celibate, as far as they can remember they also had an attration for d same sex. Giving an homosexual a wife doesn't change anything, it will only irritate him and he will still feel attacted to a man. Pedophiles will still go for kids. Your whole theory that if sexual urges are curtail it causes homosexuality and pedophilia is a very big joke that has no standing.

People become anything when they are deprived of nature.................deprive a full grown man sex and see what he becomes after that.....your priests are put undÉr intense duress to be celibates even when if they get married God wÓuld be happy with them.....you can't tell me all the priests involved in pedophilia and homÓsexuality had always been like that before they became priests.......for you guys to deny totally that the law on celibacy for priests has little or no relation on some few engaging in homosexual acts and pedophilia is an absolute LIE.................when more news on these acts come on air we'll be ready to show u guys.......

Ubenedictus: and all this will metamophise into a scientific theory that says celebacy causes homosexuality abi?

Its one of the causes of the amoral acts found amongst prie§ts....why are you guy§ denying this obvious truth...

Ubenedictus: hehehe, so celibacy changes one from a heterosexual to a pedophile and homosexual abi? This is d wierdest stuff i've heard.

Who ever said that??......read my comments well............I said enforced celibacy is one of the reasons why some heterosexuals (your priests) resort to homosexuality and pedophilia............keep denying this truth..

Ubenedictus:
unmarried christain shuld be unmarried till they marry and the bible also say marriage isnt for everyone.
Do not cherrypick my dear.

The bible never enforced marraige or celibacy on any class of Gods servants..that is my point.........got the point??.......
I cannot wake up one day and enforce marraige on some group of christians or attach it to a particular position in the church.......

Ubenedictus:

and sin in the church isn't the work of d devil but the handwork of celibacy abi?

Remember we were discussing the church,it was italo who decided to mention the crowd in the world.......

"260 reports of abuse yearly in Protestant churches "



June 15, 2007
BY ROSE FRENCH

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down -- the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims' supporters have been interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950 -- 228 a year.

Protestant numbers have been harder to come by because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church. Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies -- Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co. Together, they represent a large chunk of all U.S. Protestant churches.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/429030,CST-...
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Why are your protestants pedophiles? You are allowed to marry.

The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
In light of the sex abuse scandal that rocked the Catholic Church beginning five years ago, religious and victims’ rights organizations have been seeking this type of data for years. It has been hard to come by since Protestant Churches are more de-centralized than the Catholic Church.
Responding to heavy media scrutiny, the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact that this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies, should be making front page of The New York Times and the network evening news. It’s not.
The report is even more telling if we consider the plethora of independent or “store front” Protestant churches that don’t have insurance and whose numbers, therefore, certainly are not taken into account in this study.
This bad news for Protestant Churches is sad news for all of us. I would prefer the problem be limited to any one church — even if that church were my own — because it would mean more kids would be safe. But as I have said repeatedly over the last few years, the problem of sexual abuse of minors is not an issue of religious affiliation because there is nothing religious about abusing children. The phenomenon of sexual abuse of minors in church settings is the story of sick human beings taking advantage of their position of moral authority to prey on the weak and vulnerable. If Catholic clergy were to be faithful to their church’s teaching, there would be no abuse in the Catholic Church. The same goes for Protestant clergy. The problem, then, is not one of corrupt doctrine, but of individuals being unfaithful to the most basic precepts of their own religious belief.
Let’s be clear: the report of abuse in Protestant Churches in no way clears guilty members of the Catholic Church — neither the predators nor those who moved them from church to church and put other young people in danger. But the report does give us better perspective. The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries.
But why, then, is there so much abuse in church settings in general? Because contemporary society is sick and it is producing so many sick people that some of these disjointed souls even end up in churches. It should also be noted that we are more likely to hear about the church-related cases because they tell a more salacious story — what should be white is black, and so on. The Catholic Church is the best story because the blame (and the money trail) can go all the way to Rome.
I would like to be able to say that the sexual abuse of minors is limited to church settings because, if that were the case, once again, more kids would be safe. But it’s not. Sexual predators are in our schools, hospitals, and foster families. It hurts to say it, but because our society is so sick, sexual predators are everywhere.
But there’s hope. Society does not spin out of control on its own. It has fallen with us and it can rise with us. Society is cultivated and formed by human beings who are capable of changing behavior patterns and doing the right thing. The most important thing we can do to heal societal wounds is to teach our children, day in and day out, by words and example, what it means to love and be loved. Disjointed and sick people, the ones who abuse children, don’t fall from the sky. They are born into families, into towns, and communities. It is to the degree that more moms and dads, teachers, pastors, and neighbors are able to pass on the beauty of selfless love that society will start to get better — and our churches too.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html#ixzz2OFfCf4oL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html

Who is worse now, the one who is married yet sleeps with children or the one who isnt married?

It seems like pedophilia bis far more rampant among married people than celibate ones.

You have no case.

italo: "260 reports of abuse yearly in Protestant churches "



June 15, 2007
BY ROSE FRENCH

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down -- the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims' supporters have been interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950 -- 228 a year.

Protestant numbers have been harder to come by because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church. Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies -- Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co. Together, they represent a large chunk of all U.S. Protestant churches.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/429030,CST-...
*********************************************


Why are your protestants pedophiles? You are allowed to marry.

Of the multitude shouting Crucify him, Crucify him...only the chief priests knew what they were doing. It would have benefited others to sit back and say "Why this noise? Why should Barabbas be released and not Jesus? Now, Instead of asking, "Why the fight against celibacy when non celibates commit same crime? Why propagate Gay marriage and proscribe celibacy? the multitude is shouting again yet only the Chief enemies of Jesus know what they are doing.

italo: Who is worse now, the one who is married yet sleeps with children or the one who isnt married?

It seems like pedophilia bis far more rampant among married people than celibate ones.

You have no case.

Italo face the fact and move on.......the enforced law of celibacy for priests in the catholic church has done nothing but bring more shame than good news to the RCC.............

italo: The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
In light of the sex abuse scandal that rocked the Catholic Church beginning five years ago, religious and victims’ rights organizations have been seeking this type of data for years. It has been hard to come by since Protestant Churches are more de-centralized than the Catholic Church.
Responding to heavy media scrutiny, the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact that this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies, should be making front page of The New York Times and the network evening news. It’s not.
The report is even more telling if we consider the plethora of independent or “store front” Protestant churches that don’t have insurance and whose numbers, therefore, certainly are not taken into account in this study.
This bad news for Protestant Churches is sad news for all of us. I would prefer the problem be limited to any one church — even if that church were my own — because it would mean more kids would be safe. But as I have said repeatedly over the last few years, the problem of sexual abuse of minors is not an issue of religious affiliation because there is nothing religious about abusing children. The phenomenon of sexual abuse of minors in church settings is the story of sick human beings taking advantage of their position of moral authority to prey on the weak and vulnerable. If Catholic clergy were to be faithful to their church’s teaching, there would be no abuse in the Catholic Church. The same goes for Protestant clergy. The problem, then, is not one of corrupt doctrine, but of individuals being unfaithful to the most basic precepts of their own religious belief.
Let’s be clear: the report of abuse in Protestant Churches in no way clears guilty members of the Catholic Church — neither the predators nor those who moved them from church to church and put other young people in danger. But the report does give us better perspective. The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries.
But why, then, is there so much abuse in church settings in general? Because contemporary society is sick and it is producing so many sick people that some of these disjointed souls even end up in churches. It should also be noted that we are more likely to hear about the church-related cases because they tell a more salacious story — what should be white is black, and so on. The Catholic Church is the best story because the blame (and the money trail) can go all the way to Rome.
I would like to be able to say that the sexual abuse of minors is limited to church settings because, if that were the case, once again, more kids would be safe. But it’s not. Sexual predators are in our schools, hospitals, and foster families. It hurts to say it, but because our society is so sick, sexual predators are everywhere.
But there’s hope. Society does not spin out of control on its own. It has fallen with us and it can rise with us. Society is cultivated and formed by human beings who are capable of changing behavior patterns and doing the right thing. The most important thing we can do to heal societal wounds is to teach our children, day in and day out, by words and example, what it means to love and be loved. Disjointed and sick people, the ones who abuse children, don’t fall from the sky. They are born into families, into towns, and communities. It is to the degree that more moms and dads, teachers, pastors, and neighbors are able to pass on the beauty of selfless love that society will start to get better — and our churches too.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html#ixzz2OFfCf4oL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html

If they have ignored the other arms of christendom how then did you get this report??....e be like you want make we post ona reports here and also show you how much your church has spent to pay fines...e be like you want make reports dey fly over this place now......you ready??.....

ijawkid:

So you've got married priests??.......then why we dey argue since??.........so are you saying the law of celibacy does nt hold anymore??

celibacy has alway been as christ said for those to whom it is given. No one forces others to b celibate that is why i find d op ridiculous.

ijawkid:

What are u insinuating about peter from your statement??....are you trying to say peter threw away his wife to practice an enforced life of celibacy??..

You guÝs forbid marraige for those who reach out fÓr the priestly office...abi no be forbid be that??........

again i repeat u got it wrong there are married priest.

ijawkid:

People become anything when they are deprived of nature.................deprive a full grown man sex and see what he becomes after that.....your priests are put undÉr intense duress to be celibates even when if they get married God wÓuld be happy with them.....you can't tell me all the priests involved in pedophilia and homÓsexuality had always been like that before they became priests.......for you guys to deny totally that the law on celibacy for priests has little or no relation on some few engaging in homosexual acts and pedophilia is an absolute LIE.................when more news on these acts come on air we'll be ready to show u guys.......

so jesus who was 33 without sex was a homosexual and pedophile abi? Since according to u when a grown man doesnt have sex he becomes a homosexual, what about paul? Was he also a homosexual? Early xtian accound says john was also a virgin was he a pedophile too?

ijawkid:
Who ever said that??......read my comments well............I said enforced celibacy is one of the reasons why some heterosexuals (your priests) resort to homosexuality and pedophilia............keep denying this truth..

sorry my dear, those priest didnt turn homosexuals, go and make ur research one doesnt turn homosexual, it is a deep sitted desire. A heterosexual who cant control himself will rape women, a homosexual who refuse to control his urge will rape his fellow men, a pedophile will go for children. Celibacy doesnt turn heterosexuals to homos.

The bible never enforced marraige or celibacy on any class of Gods servants..that is my point.........got the point??.......
I cannot wake up one day and enforce marraige on some group of christians or attach it to a particular position in the church.......

that same bible gave d church d power to make laws.

Remember we were discussing the church,it was italo who decided to mention the crowd in the world.......

is there no sin in d church?

ijawkid:

If they have ignored the other arms of christendom how then did you get this report??....e be like you want make we post ona reports here and also show you how much your church has spent to pay fines...e be like you want make reports dey fly over this place now......you ready??.....

it seem d numbers by protestants is higer that that of catholic and yet only those of the catholic church make headlines.
So yeah, some news are exagerated and other never make d headlines.

Ubenedictus: celibacy has alway been as christ said for those to whom it is given. No one forces others to b celibate that is why i find d op ridiculous.

Naaaa.....you err.....celibacy is a requisite imposed on anyone who desires to enter the priestly class in the RCC....I lie??......can you qualify to be a catholic priest without being ready to be a celibate??.........the law is on the office which is wrong...........and so expect more and more shameful news from your priests............

Ubenedictus: again i repeat u got it wrong there are married priest.

Where are they or abi where him dey??...........

Ubenedictus: so jesus who was 33 without sex was a homosexual and pedophile abi? Since according to u when a grown man doesnt have sex he becomes a homosexual, what about paul? Was he also a homosexual? Early xtian accound says john was also a virgin was he a pedophile too?

You still don't get my point do you??......enforced celibacy on persons can lead to homosexuality .........that is my point......why do you think paul gave a recourse for those who no longer could remain as celibates??...........paul and Jesus were celibates out of there own volition and not because they needed to hold a certain office or role of leadership.....there cases are totally different from that of the RCC priests..........

For example if kongi hold paul so tay no way to endure he had the wonderful priviledge and alternative of getting married happily......are your priests given that opportunity to marry and stiLl retain there priestly office??....

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear, those priest didnt turn homosexuals, go and make ur research one doesnt turn homosexual, it is a deep sitted desire. A heterosexual who cant control himself will rape women, a homosexual who refuse to control his urge will rape his fellow men, a pedophile will go for children. Celibacy doesnt turn heterosexuals to homos.

Enforced celibacy does..........

Were those priests homosexuals before they became priests??....where they pedophiles before assuming there priestly roles??.....

For you to say homosexuality and pedophilia is a deep sitted thing makes you no different from atheists and pro-gays who say most homosexuals are born gay.......

So you mean you guys have been recruiting gays into your priest hood??.......which kin UBE be this??....

Ubenedictus:

that same bible gave d church d power to make laws.

Even Laws that contradict the scriptures as well bring opprobrium abi??......

Ubenedictus: again i repeat u got it wrong there are married priest.

Ubenedictus: again i repeat u got it wrong there are married priest.

Am not against the catholic church but i find this argument intriguing...Jesus is right when He said to serve him you have to leave wordly pleasures behind..scriptures never mentioned paul to be married but historical records has it that he was married at one time before he encountered Jesus..scriptures never mentioned the wife of Peter the apostle but there are reasons to believe he was married too..you said you have married priest. My queshion is can married priests attain the papal office?

Ubenedictus: the honest truth is that protestant pastors who can freely marry still abuse children.
I just remembered a brazilian pastor who told his congregation that d holyspirit anointed his pe.nis to produce spiritual milk, he got many ladies who wanted d holyspirit milk.

So what is the ratio of fake pastors to fake priest who molest little children?

Boomark:

So what is the ratio of fake pastors to fake priest who molest little children?

You tell us.

Boomark:

So what is the ratio of fake pastors to fake priest who molest little children?

i guess italo pasted some numbers.
As for ijawkid, i won't wait my time redebunking d arguements i already debunked.

Ubenedictus: i guess italo pasted some numbers.
As for ijawkid, i won't wait my time redebunking d arguements i already debunked.

Which of my arguments did u debunk??..........

ijawkid:

Which of my arguments did u debunk??..........

go thru d thread, mr celibacy-causes-pedophilia