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Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 7:47am On May 04, 2013 |
Logicboy03: So you are against assisted suicide? Just asking. Anyway, so because consent does not apply to murder it becomes okay? While because consent applies to sex it becomes wrong? If that is not the point you are trying to make then this post of yours becomes irrelevant. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 7:47am On May 04, 2013 |
ifeness: The bold is correct but my thoughts are directed at the man and beast relationship... |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by wiegraf: 8:12am On May 04, 2013 |
inurmind: You forget you're an animal? That's almost theist thinking right there. There's nothing special about us other than, of course, consciousness/sentience. Animals have rights, as the apex predators we can $hit/dictate all over them, but they do more or else. Even within a pack there'll be the alpha, who can do x and y, the betas that can do y and z, etc. With time, most of the world will be vegetarian or something similar, believe it or not. We're headed that way already, with the posters above already dreading the future. Let's hope technology will provide us something delish as a substitute. Already in the UK, I know of people visiting jails for say abusing their dogs. Actually, even in the US, cock/dog fights could land you in prison, not just fines. Anyways, take your post fixed: Note, slaves were considered 'animals' as well. Now, a slave could at least consciously consent, not so much with most animals. And, even if they could, out of fear or whatever just about any slave would have consented. Replace slave with children sef and you could still make similar arguments. Luckily, we treat our kids with a lot more love and respect, but that is for selfish reasons (spreading our DNA). There are groups out there trying to get equal rights to the other primates, elephants, any species that seems to be on the verge of sentience actually. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:46am On May 04, 2013 |
italo: now you know why there is culture? dont take culture too lightly. you make a big mistake by doing so. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:49am On May 04, 2013 |
Logicboy03: how can a Spiritual Force be silly? have you seen it? plz explain. We prostrate before elders, because they have seen the world, are more experienced (usually) and they symbolize wisdom. This is our culture. please dont take culture lightly. its how things are done here. as to your second, i sortof agree, because we even have old men as r.apists, etc. but if you have no proof against the elder, you must respect him/her. who said ancestors are Gods? Its just their spirit and memory that we revere. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:50am On May 04, 2013 |
inurmind: PAGAN 9JA: |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 8:54am On May 04, 2013 |
Logicboy03: ...and you believe shaking someone's hands is okay? #What has the white man done to you? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:55am On May 04, 2013 |
Niflheim: @logicboy,chairman,I appreciate the wisdom you are dropping on this topic.Imagine the hypocrisy of animal rights groups claiming that Colonel Harland Sanders committed genocide by killing 10,000 fowls,only to go to their house to eat salad.ISN'T THE CARROT AND TOMATO NOT A LIVING THING?SUPPOSING I FORMED A "PLANT" RIGIHT GROUP AND ARRESTED THEM FOR EATING SALAD?WOULDN'T THEY CALL ME A LUNATIC? WHEN ARGENTINA HAD MALARIA PROBLEM, THEY WIPED OUT THE ANOPHELES MOSQUITO POQPULATION. SUPPOSING I ARRESTED THEM FOR "MOSQUITO MASSACRE"?.....................these white fuckers just love to see black men arguing over nothing!!! how st.upid of you. plants do not have proper pain receptors, neither do they have a brain nor do they express or feel strong emotions like higher organisms such as humans and animals. Animals can have reflexes and local feedback loops in the nervous system independent of the brain. However, one could argue that one requires the central nervous system (brain) to perceive pain. Plants lack a central nervous system, and don't appear to have a distributed nervous system. So, on that basis, one could argue that they do not have pain sensation. also majority of the time, when harvesting a plant, the entire plant is not killed. also ive explained animal consmption and the proper "natural" ways to do it in my previous post. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 8:58am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Suppose there is some other way plants experience pain which we are yet to discover? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:58am On May 04, 2013 |
inurmind: umm i think you need to read that article again. The picture was of 2 female dogs. Animals never engage in penetr.ative s.ex. they are not serious about it. it is usually done as signs of aggression or s.exual/emotional outbursts. but they never actually copulate. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:01am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: discover it and then let me know. dont you understand? not all organism are equal. plants are clearly less complex forms of organisms compared to animals. tomorrow, you will tell me not to walk on the ground because i may kill bacteria and they feel pain. bacteria CANNOT feel plain. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:03am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Rather funny! Do we go ahead 'hurting' plants because of the unknown? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:04am On May 04, 2013 |
to all those who talk about killing animals and poultry for food: there is a proper "natural" way of doing it as ive explained before. any other way is abnormal and wrong and this includes the methods of mass culling of animals in small cages, that we see and use today. this world is not perfect. we live in a world where wrongs take place on an everyday basis and this issue is not exempt. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:05am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: i just explained to you why they dont feel pain. come to think of it, your reasoning is very much like, we should believe in Unicorns. what if they exist? *smh. . |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:06am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Just saying that arguing that plants do not feel pains should be shelved cause we can't honestly say that is the case. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:10am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Actually, what you gave was your opinion which I am not obliged to accept...facts could be understood. PAGAN 9JA: Nah...not the same...plants are readily seen but Unicorns are different in this regard. I don't know if Unicorns exists or not but I know for sure that plants exists. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:11am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: Now this I agree with... |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:19am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: we can say. they dont have a central nervous system. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by PAGAN9JA(m): 9:20am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: I was not comparing the existence of Unicorns to plants, but to the pain felt/not felt by plants. |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:55am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: I hope you know that 'pain' can be some form of physical discomfort? Are you saying that you know for a fact that plants do not 'notice' this discomfort in one way or the other? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 9:56am On May 04, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: It's still connected...if we have not seen a Unicorn, how then can we say that it can experience pain or not? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by ooman(m): 9:58am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: just like the bible wants us to believe yahweh experience pain without seeing him |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:02am On May 04, 2013 |
ooman: LWKMD!!! You couldn't just resist...you just had to post the above. Now, the above is a post that is struggling to find meaning... |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by ooman(m): 10:17am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: simply because it destroys your position right? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:18am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: Strawman.......... I believe, bowing or nodding and greeting are enough....... Why should I lie down like a slave? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:19am On May 04, 2013 |
ooman: Epic....just placed at the right time! |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:39am On May 04, 2013 |
Logicboy03: The Japanese bow, the whites shake, Yoruba's prostrate, my people believe in vocal greetings etc so what's the biggy? There was a time I went to visit the traditional ruler in Badagry and it is their custom to lie prostrate while using the cheeks to touch the ground (both sides)...I did that despite it not being my culture. Doing that did not make me a slave or whatever you decide to call it...it's high time we respected the cultures and beliefs of others as long as they are not hurting anyone. 1 Like |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:40am On May 04, 2013 |
ooman: How? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:46am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: Replace "culture and beliefs" with religion/gods and maybe you will understand my problem. Tell me, why should my expensive clothes touch the ground for an old bagger? |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 10:53am On May 04, 2013 |
Logicboy03: It still does not change anything...I do not subscribe to the worship of Sango and the likes but it does not mean I go about disrespecting those who do and I certainly do not abuse/insult their gods... Logicboy03: Probably because you would want to win that 2 billion naira business deal? 1 Like |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 11:22am On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: Agreed, you're making sense this time |
Re: On The Issue Of Morality: Bestiality [for Athiests And Freethinkers] by Nobody: 1:15pm On May 04, 2013 |
striktlymi: Actually it's not. I'll assume you think what is not right is wrong. You see a lion sniffing the anus of an antelope is just unusual behaviour, but there is nothing inherently wrong with it. I do agree that there are unwritten universal laws, but these laws do not have to apply to every Dickson and Harry, and they don't. Because you see something weird, strange, new, even disgusting [which is an extremely subjective term], does not mean it is wrong. Anyway, I was just being sarcastic when I said animals had no rights, but by rights I meant privileges they should enjoy, not principles to follow. And lest I forget, you are the real boss, I'm just a troublemaking lad. |
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