Logicboy03:



Does self defense apply to se.x?

Does consent apply to murder?


Every issue has its underlying principles and terms. That is the nature of law and logic.

We do not apply the logic of thermodynamics to photosynthesis.

We do not apply consent to murder.

ifeness:

If the Lion is naturally oriented to sniff an Elephant's anus,it would without a doubt. A man playing with another man's anus is only as a result of orientation or curiosity. How would he know how it feels if he never tried it. All is good regardless as odd as they seemed.

inurmind:

Since when did animals have rights? We kill them for fun, we use them for lab tests, we do all these horrible things to them and can still say they have rights? Don't you still consider them victims here, shortening their life span, putting them through so much distress? Don't we even have alternative food sources? Besides, I am talking about zoophilia, something which is more of a relationship(I know, it's also disgusting to me, but it is something we must consider. We cannot term it wrong just because of the eww factor). Here these animals show willingness to engage in the act, they approve of it, it is consensual, so how they are labelled victims is a big mystery to me.

fixed:
Since when did slaves have rights? We kill them for fun, we use them for lab tests, we do all these horrible things to them and can still say they have rights? Don't you still consider them victims here, shortening their life span, putting them through so much distress? Don't we even have alternative labour sources? Besides, I am talking about consensual sex here, not ra.pe, something which is more of a relationship(I know, it's also disgusting to me, but it is something we must consider. We cannot term it wrong just because of the eww factor). Here these slaves show willingness to engage in the act, they approve of it, it is consensual, so how they are labelled victims is a big mystery to me.

italo:

I can't believe this!

If it is wrong to put your pe.nis into a goat, how is it right to put a knife into its throat?

Logicboy03:


Culture is foolish, most of it anyways.


I am assuming that you are yoruba. Sango is silly while prostrating for your elders is nonsense (it is good to respect elders but they are not Gods).


Furthermore, in general, we can not abuse elders in Nigeria. Can you imagine an old man calling me a fool because of something I didnt do, and when I explained the mistake to him and told him to apoloigise, the crowd that gathered said that I should leave the old man alone. They said that I should still respect him. The old man didnt even apologise and was saying that young people have no respect.

F4ck culture. This is why I like progressive countries; they modify their culture with reason.

inurmind:

Since when did animals have rights? We kill them for fun, we use them for lab tests, we do all these horrible things to them and can still say they have rights? Don't you still consider them victims here, shortening their life span, putting them through so much distress? Don't we even have alternative food sources? Besides, I am talking about zoophilia, something which is more of a relationship(I know, it's also disgusting to me, but it is something we must consider. We cannot term it wrong just because of the eww factor). Here these animals show willingness to engage in the act, they approve of it, it is consensual, so how they are labelled victims is a big mystery to me.

PAGAN 9JA:
let us first understand one thing. physically, man is not equal to women , or man is not equal to another animal. what women do to each other is non-penetrative. what man does to man is penetrative. can result in disease.
what man does to animal/or animal does to woman is penetrative. can result in disease/newer diseases.

I am against man-man s.ex , especially if the person is not genetically ho.mosexual or suffers other such handicaps. it is morally wrong and if he does so, he is doing crime. if both consent to it. then let them do what they want.

In the case of animal-man/animal-woman, i am 100% against it, because animals are innocent and do not realise what is happening to them. it is therefore without their consent. let us not abuse the sacred innocence of animals.

someone here mentioned, what about putting animals in cages/chaining them without consent ,etc.

I say that is wrong too. the poultry that comes from those small cages, processed, etc., it is all wrong.
animal testing is wrong.

WE have something called "Animal Rights" today.

the only proper, Gods ordained natural way of killing animals is by hunting, or by free-roaming herded livestock, as in he case of those kept by nomadic tribes, and in the case of the free-roaming chicken and poultry you see in your village.

therefore today, the only right way we consume a living thing is the fish. the fish is the last survivng mode of hunted and consumed animal today.

Hunting as our forefathers did before and during colonial days is best, becaue it gives the animal the chance to escape and save its life and is the natural way animals consume other animals. by hunting , I mean subsistence hunting. hunting only for immediate needs and not mass slaughter. this subsistence hunting was a way proposed recently for the nomads of SOuth Sudan during a conservation referendum. It is the natural and right way.

Meat from nomadic herds is ok , because these are free roaming herds from millenia, and this is the Gods-ordained and natural human/tribal way of livelihood. The cattle of nomads cannot exist by themselves if left alone. It is a symbiotic relationship between humans and certain animals and is therefore right. neither can exist without the other. Both live free lives. Settled people are supposed to buy from these nomads and not those factories that cage them. This was how it was done in the past, and even now , many of us Hausa by cattle/goat directly from Fulani Herders. Our government must do something to bring back this system and encourage these tribes and their livelihood and importance. For example, in parts of Central/West India, the cattle-owning tribes have formed a co-operative called the Amul Co-operative, where the company gets its milk directly from cows owned by cattle-herding tribes of places such as Gujarat.
also cattle herding tribes rarely consume meat because they cant afford to lose their precious cattle.


I am against processed caged poultry and meat we see today in the markets. I am against bestiality.

Logicboy03:


Culture is foolish, most of it anyways.


I am assuming that you are yoruba. Sango is silly while prostrating for your elders is nonsense (it is good to respect elders but they are not Gods).

Niflheim: @logicboy,chairman,I appreciate the wisdom you are dropping on this topic.Imagine the hypocrisy of animal rights groups claiming that Colonel Harland Sanders committed genocide by killing 10,000 fowls,only to go to their house to eat salad.ISN'T THE CARROT AND TOMATO NOT A LIVING THING?SUPPOSING I FORMED A "PLANT" RIGIHT GROUP AND ARRESTED THEM FOR EATING SALAD?WOULDN'T THEY CALL ME A LUNATIC? WHEN ARGENTINA HAD MALARIA PROBLEM, THEY WIPED OUT THE ANOPHELES MOSQUITO POQPULATION. SUPPOSING I ARRESTED THEM FOR "MOSQUITO MASSACRE"?.....................these white fuckers just love to see black men arguing over nothing!!!

PAGAN 9JA:


how st.upid of you. plants do not have proper pain receptors, neither do they have a brain nor do they express or feel strong emotions like higher organisms such as humans and animals.

Animals can have reflexes and local feedback loops in the nervous system independent of the brain. However, one could argue that one requires the central nervous system (brain) to perceive pain.

Plants lack a central nervous system, and don't appear to have a distributed nervous system. So, on that basis, one could argue that they do not have pain sensation.

also majority of the time, when harvesting a plant, the entire plant is not killed.

also ive explained animal consmption and the proper "natural" ways to do it in my previous post.

inurmind:

Er, maybe you need to do some research sir:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

striktlymi:

Suppose there is some other way plants experience pain which we are yet to discover?

PAGAN 9JA:


discover it and then let me know.

striktlymi:


Rather funny!


Do we go ahead 'hurting' plants because of the unknown?

PAGAN 9JA:


discover it and then let me know.

dont you understand? not all organism are equal. plants are clearly less complex forms of organisms compared to animals.

tomorrow, you will tell me not to walk on the ground because i may kill bacteria and they feel pain. bacteria CANNOT feel plain.

PAGAN 9JA:


i just explained to you why they dont feel pain.

PAGAN 9JA:

come to think of it, your reasoning is very much like, we should believe in Unicorns. what if they exist? *smh. .

PAGAN 9JA:
to all those who talk about killing animals and poultry for food:

there is a proper "natural" way of doing it as ive explained before. any other way is abnormal and wrong and this includes the methods of mass culling of animals in small cages, that we see and use today.

this world is not perfect. we live in a world where wrongs take place on an everyday basis and this issue is not exempt.

striktlymi:

Just saying that arguing that plants do not feel pains should be shelved cause we can't honestly say that is the case.

striktlymi:

Nah...not the same...plants are readily seen but Unicorns are different in this regard. I don't know if Unicorns exists or not but I know for sure that plants exists.

PAGAN 9JA:


we can say. they dont have a central nervous system.

PAGAN 9JA:


I was not comparing the existence of Unicorns to plants, but to the pain felt/not felt by plants.

striktlymi:

It's still connected...if we have not seen a Unicorn, how then can we say that it can experience pain or not?

ooman:

just like the bible wants us to believe yahweh experience pain without seeing him

striktlymi:


LWKMD!!! You couldn't just resist...you just had to post the above. Now, the above is a post that is struggling to find meaning...

striktlymi:

...and you believe shaking someone's hands is okay?


#What has the white man done to you?

ooman:

just like the bible wants us to believe yahweh experience pain without seeing him

Logicboy03:



Strawman..........


I believe, bowing or nodding and greeting are enough.......

Why should I lie down like a slave?

ooman:

simply because it destroys your position right?

striktlymi:

The Japanese bow, the whites shake, Yoruba's prostrate, my people believe in vocal greetings etc so what's the biggy?

There was a time I went to visit the traditional ruler in Badagry and it is their custom to lie prostrate while using the cheeks to touch the ground (both sides)...I did that despite it not being my culture.

Doing that did not make me a slave or whatever you decide to call it...it's high time we respected the [size=18pt]cultures and beliefs[/size] of others as long as they are not hurting anyone.

Logicboy03:

Replace "culture and beliefs" with religion/gods and maybe you will understand my problem.

Logicboy03:
Tell me, why should my expensive clothes touch the ground for an old bagger?

striktlymi:

It still does not change anything...I do not subscribe to the worship of Sango and the likes but it does not mean I go about disrespecting those who do and I certainly do not abuse/insult their gods...



Probably because you would want to win that 2 billion naira business deal?

striktlymi:

Morning boss,

Saw this but can't ignore...yeah, yeah...I know, I am a dumb azz, puny brained, orthodox idiiot but I aint leaving till I say my bit .

Now to the rather interesting quote above...What exactly do you mean when you say 'rights'? Are you talking about doing what is just? What is correct?, or better still, doing what is in line with the principles of right conduct?

Every living thing is subject to the unwritten laws of nature...animals have rights in this regards...a lion will be considered doing its civic duty by mother nature when it kills an antelope for lunch but does this same lion have any business sniffing the anus of that antelope? Your guess is as good as mine..