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What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 9:02am On May 17, 2013
As i got down from the bike at a bus stop in lagos this ifa woman as we see them on Lagos streets begging for alm came to me beggin and i gave her money for Allah sake.

What does Islam say about given of alms or charity to pagans?

Salam alaykum, barka jumu'a

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tbaba1234: 10:05am On May 17, 2013
Question: In the meccan seerah of the prophet, when the ayat about giving to orphans and the needy were revealed,

were the orphans and needy, muslim?? did the ayat say muslim orphans/needy??

The fact that you have to ask this question is a problem..

Read: http://www.nairaland.com/1293252/quranic-view-boko-haram-muslims

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by maclatunji: 11:18am On May 17, 2013
tintingz: As i got down from the bike at a bus stop in lagos this ifa woman as we see them on Lagos streets begging for alm came to me beggin and i gave her money for Allah sake.

What does Islam say about given of alms or charity to pagans?

Salam alaykum, barka jumu'a

Do not mind tbaba, he does not understand what you are describing. Those people ask for alms believing that they are holy and that you will enjoy their blessings if you give them a 'lil something'. To that extent, it is forbidden. I don't think those are Ifa worshipers though, more like Osun.

I have never come across the Ifa variants, can you confirm this part of your post?

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tbaba1234: 12:25pm On May 17, 2013
^ Mac, maybe I do not understand the full import of the question but what you have described does not make it forbidden if you give only for the sake of Allah to people in need.

However, if at the back of your mind when giving , is this luck stuff then it is better not to give since the intention is corrupt.

The op did the correct thing, we can not begin to base our Charity on what is in the beggar's mind.

And Allah knows best.

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by maclatunji: 1:02pm On May 17, 2013
tbaba1234: ^ Mac, maybe I do not understand the full import of the question but what you have described does not make it forbidden if you give only for the sake of Allah to people in need.

However, if at the back of your mind when giving , is this luck stuff then it is better not to give since the intention is corrupt.

The op did the correct thing, we can not begin to base our Charity on what is in the beggar's mind.

And Allah knows best.

You still do not know what you are talking about.grin I agree that being charitable is not bound to any religion but in this particular example he is giving, it is wrong. Someone who has greater time and maybe patience should explain to tbaba. I do not believe he understands the modus operandi of the people in question. Going by your logic, you might as well start paying tithe to churches who tell you they use it for charity.

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tbaba1234: 1:29pm On May 17, 2013
If you know for sure, it is going to be used for a bad purpose then you should not give. That's is the only other addition that can be made.
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by deols(f): 2:11pm On May 17, 2013
my sis asked d same question when she saw this pix. The thought is that they possibly would use the money for their religious activities. In that case, it would be wrong to give it to them.

But if it is simply charity, then there is nothing wrong with it.

But I think we need tintingz to explain his basis for asking the Question.

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 5:35pm On May 17, 2013
Thanks for the answers so far maclatunji, tbaba and deols smiley

To make it more understandable... I dont know if they are ifa preist or osun worshipers but they put on white or native and tigh red clothing by their waist, they usualy beg for alms at bus stops so one came to me and she greeted ''eku jimo to ni'' then beged for money and i gave her lil money though i use to ignore them but today i feel like given them for Allah sake not for some ''blessings'' or whatever


Given alms to the pagans is it forbidden in Islam as maclatunji said even though it is for Allah sake or nothing wrong with it as tbaba and deols said... since the Quran doesnt specify who we should give alms to.
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by maclatunji: 10:39pm On May 17, 2013
^You can give alms to anybody you like but I insist, it is highly unwise to give alms to such people because what you term as 'begging' is actually a part of their religious expression. After giving them the money their response is likely to be- 'blessings on you my son from XYZ'.

That is the way they earn a living. It is from that so-called begging that some of them get patrons- 'I need a child, can you help me?' 'I don't want my husband to marry another husband', 'I want to have money', help me out.

I see these people at Mushin bus stop by Total almost certainly, anytime I pass there.

It is their religion, what business does a conscious Muslim have to do with that?

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tbaba1234: 11:12pm On May 17, 2013
Points noted. .

We should get an online sheikh. I do not fully understand how this thing works so I will not comment further.

Certainly Allah knows best.
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Empiree: 2:38am On May 18
This is similar case experienced by a sheikh Rabiu AbdulMalik Adebayo in osun state. He and his colleagues went to Osun state for janaza. Getting there, and walking around the city, group of women in white cloth called 'Osun worshippers' approached them and asked for money in the name of Osun.

The sheikh said they (alfas) kept silent and kept walking until one of them said "please give us for the sake of God". The sheikh said "right away we stopped and give money".

He talked about this experience during his lecture about giving for God's sake only. And that there is no need for asking which religion xyz belongs to as precondition. But obviously they are religious people called Osun worshipers. Maclatuniji was right about that.

Sheikh said further that the women are well aware they are Muslim but 'they chose to beg us in the name of Osun which we are against'.
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by taiwolomo1(m): 11:28am On May 19
tbaba1234:
Question: In the meccan seerah of the prophet, when the ayat about giving to orphans and the needy were revealed,

were the orphans and needy, muslim?? did the ayat say muslim orphans/needy??

The fact that you have to ask this question is a problem..

Read: http://www.nairaland.com/1293252/quranic-view-boko-haram-muslims

over sabi de worry u....someone ask a honest question ...just answer.why runing an insult...No one is Mr Know all except ALLAH
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Nobody: 11:29am On May 19
Firstly, it's a very stupid thing to make me accept that I am a Muslim because it won't change the fact that Jesus is the only true God while others are demons.

@topic
Thanks for letting us know it's forbidden to give to pagans.
All those Muslim beggars at my bustop will starve. Let alla provide for them

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by dee02(m): 11:32am On May 19
There is no big deal in giving alms to anyone.... Christians, Pagan, Buddhist or Jews or whatever!!!!
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by KhalDroggo: 11:38am On May 19
I don't get it. I thought charity is supposed to begin at home. Shouldn't muslims be worried about the fact that the vast majority of beggars (more than 80%) are muslims, before they start taking panadol extra for somebody else's headache?



In Nigeria, even Muslim scholars acknowledge that islam is the leading light when it comes to the mass production of beggars. There are many articles on how muslims dominate begging in Nigeria on nairaland. You might try reading some of them:



http://www.nairaland.com/2524096/see-where-beggars-nigeria-come


Infact according to two muslim scholars, Abubakar Abdulganiyu Adedibu and Mohammad Omar Jeleel research shows that over 80% of the beggars in all the major cities in Nigeria, even those in Eastern Nigeria, are muslims:










Even your beloved Emire Lamido Sanusi admitted that if Northern Nigeria were to become a country of its own, it would be poorest country on earth. So why are you reasoning out of your anus like this?

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by bablex01: 11:43am On May 19
mashaallah
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by RealSleek(m): 11:47am On May 19
Firstly, it's a very stupid thing to make me accept that I am a Muslim because it won't change the fact that Jesus is the only true God while others are demons.

@topic
Thanks for letting us know it's forbidden to give to pagans.
All those Muslim beggars at my bustop will starve. Let alla provide for them



you are vexing o, but judging from what their sabi brethren are saying...i can conveniently deduce that it is wrong for me as a christian to give alms to any baga for saying bambi allah ...
hypocrisy of Muslim is just sky high..as if their alfas dont use fetish things too..go to leku leja shop..see them with their headtie buying different things. .I even have an alfa friend called alfa orunmila..
its ok to do whatever you believe in..dont just be hypocritical about it
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by bams2999(m): 12:04pm On May 19
Islam is the religion of peace, is possible to give ur sadaka or zakka to not Muslim bcouse in dis may be her/ he can converte to Islamic

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by spenca: 12:07pm On May 19
tbaba1234:
Question: In the meccan seerah of the prophet, when the ayat about giving to orphans and the needy were revealed,

were the orphans and needy, muslim?? did the ayat say muslim orphans/needy??

The fact that you have to ask this question is a problem..

Read: http://www.nairaland.com/1293252/quranic-view-boko-haram-muslims


I am with tbaba on this ,irrespective of the persons motive ,all or majorly what counts it's the givers motive,is it for the sake of Allah? Pride ? Expecting favours from the white cloth wearing people ? This question can also be linked with the question of saving an unbeliever or the people of the books say from drowning in a pool should you be able to swim or from a point of death should be able to save them . The sin would be you not saving them. To this point i would say give should you be able to afford it and with good intentions. Barakallah fik. No one has the monopoly of knoweledge so I am not saying I am absolutely correct nor tbaba . Allah knows best
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by LexngtonSteele: 12:14pm On May 19
Disclaimer : I am not an Islamic Sage....

I have read the discourse with great interest.

You guys on both sides of the divide - Give or not give both have your solid points.

In my own opinion, Allah knows what me & YOU, my dear reader's intentions even before the thought grows in our mind.

My answer is this, if it's for humanitarian sake - to quench hunger or save lives....GIVE. if it's to propagate another religion e.g. tithes, DON'T GIVE.

In this particular case... I would advice you to give it touches your heart but when they are about to bless you with other gods...you don't wait to listen. Allah knows the true reason you are giving - for charity or to show-off and reward you accordingly.

Good luck

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Sterope(f): 12:20pm On May 19
I will give to them as charity but not to further any religious objectives
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by frenzyduchess(f): 12:22pm On May 19
Muslims make up 98 percent of beggars all over the country, so wtf is this op spewing angry

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by rattlesnake(m): 12:23pm On May 19
I can't trust u guys
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 12:31pm On May 19
This was a very long time thread i created when am still active in Islam section. shocked

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by kadree(m): 2:07pm On May 19
tintingz:
This was a very long time thread i created when am still active in Islam section. shocked
Thanks for this. I had to go dig out few of ur post I stumbled upon to b sure I wasn't hallucinating.

Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 2:17pm On May 19
kadree:

Thanks for this. I had to go dig out few of ur post I stumbled upon to b sure I wasn't hallucinating.
Lol. grin
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Demmzy15(m): 2:33pm On May 19
tintingz:
This was a very long time thread i created when am still active in Islam section. shocked
When you had sense abi grin grin grin

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by tintingz(m): 2:48pm On May 19
Demmzy15:
When you had sense abi grin grin grin
I have sense now, like tbaba1234 said in his comment above that I had a problem, a fellow Muslim saying that to a Muslim asking question. Anyways I had a problem when I use to think like you people but now I have no problem. cheesy

I gave an Osun worshiper woman money yesterday on my way home without no worries of someone said this or that.
Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by BetaThings: 3:31pm On May 19
tintingz:
I have sense now, like tbaba1234 said in his comment above that I had a problem, a fellow Muslim saying that to a Muslim asking question.
Why did you not ask him why he said so?
And others also took him up and he said he did not understand the context
Should you also not factor that into your conclusion?

tintingz:
Anyways I had a problem when I use to think like you people but now I have no problem.
Actually this is relative
You did not know you had a problem then, did you?
So how come you are so certain that you don't have a problem now?

tintingz:
I gave an Osun worshiper woman money yesterday on my way home without no worries of someone said this or that.
It is not somebody said or something
It is Allah says or the Prophet (SAW) says.
Anybody can be wrong and that is why Tbaba says Allah knows best

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Re: What Does Islam Say About Given Alms Or Sadaqa To The Pagans? by Demmzy15(m): 3:38pm On May 19
tintingz:
I have sense now, like tbaba1234 said in his comment above that I had a problem, a fellow Muslim saying that to a Muslim asking question. Anyways I had a problem when I use to think like you people but now I have no problem. cheesy

I gave an Osun worshiper woman money yesterday on my way home without no worries of someone said this or that.
grin grin grin grin grin O dun sha!!! grin grin grin

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