benalvino:

From what I know Our body is the throne of the Holy Spirit... after resurrection we will be having a spiritual and incorruptible body... God is everywhere Right Hand of God is not really Right Hand.... No one can seat at the Right hand of God... if you read the Scripture learn What throne his then also learn what Right hand means then you will know what that Sitting at the Right hand of God is... I don't want to Go into much details because they wont even accept... When the 4 Beast says Holy, Holy, Holy(father, son and Holy spirit...)

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen." (2 Corinthians 13:14)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." (Matthew 28:19)


"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." (Isaiah 48:16)

"But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near...For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father." (Ephesians 2:13-18)

"But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:20-21)

"This Jesus God has raised up...Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear." (Acts 2:32-33)

"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." (1 Peter 1:2).

truthislight:

That ^ statement there that you made is both foolish and an intent to conceal the truth.

1. The argument here is if Jesus is the almighty God.

2. If the holy spirit is a person and also almighty God.

Stop concealing your intent by posting a lame general statement.

The truth cannot be over emphasis, see what he beg his father:

"Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. " (Luke 22:42).
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Not when Jesus did not even know the Day and hour of the time of the end, but only the father knows.

What nonsense!

And you think you deserve respect since you can always twist scriptures and give twisted pegan ideas.



Rubbish!

truthislight:
Why are over 99% of your stand are from deductions not clearly stated in the bible ?

truthislight:
1. The same person as Yahweh.
2. Jesus is almighty God.
3. That Jesus is equal to Yahweh.
4. Let alone to put the holy spirit as a person.

truthislight: Not when Jesus did not even know the Day and hour of the time of the end, but only the father knows..

shdemidemi:

You sound bitter, what would you then say when you find out you are actually the one wrong--the bible says
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Should I believe you or the book?
Simple, Because people like you will not see what the Scriptures say. You gloss over it, and interpret it by what you may have heard over the years.

Christ is definitely all of that according to scriptures


Deuteronomy 29:29

"The secret things (God's secret things) belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed (no longer a secret, but must be believed) belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law."


He had a prerogative to keep what is to be kept, He knew day and hour from His God-side. Remember, He is as man as He is God at the same time.

benalvino:
Jesus The Father and Holy spirit is God... the Office of God is the father son and holy spirit... those are the 3 distinct person that is the One God... So Jesus is Distinct from the father... Jesus is not the father.

shdemidemi:

Where in my word did I say Jesus is God the father?

Debroslink:


I agree with you. The Holy Spirit is God Almighty. Acts 5:3,4 says it all. v3 says they lied to the Holy Spirit, v4 says they lied not to men, but God. Holy Spirit is not man or force, but God, equal with the Father and Messiah.

benalvino: not correcting you... I was supposed to reply to truthlie explaining the distinction...

ijawkid:

Smh!!!!!..........lol.......

Just a part of the scriptures that says God the holy spirit and this discussion is suppose to be over........even after much discussion you're still using this account to prove the holy spirit was called GOD.......ona wayo for this thread don too much,,,,,,

We need to see a bolded expression where it is said the holy spirit is called the almighty God or even a God.....

It seems the scriptures is not ready to back you guys up.....

The holy spirit has been forced into the pagan triology....if you guys can't realize this truth then no amount of help can see you guys through.....

And up till now as we speak we can't even see the holy spirit in heaven.......

Why.......

ijawkid:

Do you think till this moment you still can distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus??......with all the confusion you guys have installed in your system...lol...

Just not long ago you guys never agreed that the Father is the only one GOd....if you and your pals haven't agreed on that aren't you guys insinuating that the holy spirit and Jesus are also the Father so that they can be squeezed into one God ??.......

This is what the trinity does to its adherent...they get confused until they don't know where they stand.....one time they are holding on to modalism,the next minute they are back to the trinity....confusion!confusion!!confusion!!!...

Now let me ask you this simple question and let me see if you will not fumble and finally tell me Jesus is not the same as the Father....

According to 1 corinthians 8:6,ephesians 4:6 and all through the scriptures who is the one GOD??..........

benalvino: not correcting you... I was supposed to reply to truthlie explaining the distinction...

benalvino:

I don't think you understand what we are saying... The father is God Jesus is God holy spirit is God also... Not 3 gods but 1... genesis God speaks of him self as plural... GOD is a title... And the three are 1. When Adam talk to God we later know it was Jesus...

benalvino:

From what I know Our body is the throne of the Holy Spirit... after resurrection we will be having a spiritual and incorruptible body... God is everywhere Right Hand of God is not really Right Hand.... No one can seat at the Right hand of God... if you read the Scripture learn What throne his then also learn what Right hand means then you will know what that Sitting at the Right hand of God is... I don't want to Go into much details because they wont even accept... When the 4 Beast says Holy, Holy, Holy(father, son and Holy spirit...)

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen." (2 Corinthians 13:14)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." (Matthew 28:19)

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." (Isaiah 48:16)

"But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near...For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father." (Ephesians 2:13-18)

"But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:20-21)

"This Jesus God has raised up...Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear." (Acts 2:32-33)

"Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." (1 Peter 1:2).

ijawkid:

Please read this scripture and re-evaluate your stance...

New Living Translation (©2007)
But we know that there is only one
God, the Father, who created
everything, and we live for him.
And there is only one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom God made
everything and through whom we
have been given life.


Is Jesus and the holy spirit still the one God or only the Father??.......

I want you guys to tell me if you really believe in the trinity or not.....

benalvino:

another proof of the trinity with your own verse... and the holy spirit is distinct and not an it...

there is only one GOD comma The FATHER and ONE LORD comma the SON...

When the rest of the verse is quoted a problem soon emerges with interpreting this verse to deny Jesus as God. The rest of the verse states that there is one Lord - Jesus Christ. So, to exclude the Son from being God because it says there is to us one God, the Father, would also exclude the Father from being one Lord! In fact, Jude 4 talks about "our only Lord and master, Jesus Christ." Are we therefore to conclude that the Father is not our Lord? Of course not. But by the same measure, if we are to be consistent, neither are we to conclude that the Son is not God either.

The fact is, 1 Corinthians 8:6 should be understood in the light of the fact that the terms “God” and “Lord” are used interchangeably of the Father and the Son in Scripture. In Mark 5:19 (Jehovah in the NWT) and Luke 8:39 the two terms are used interchangeably. The Father is called “Lord” (Matt. 11:25), but the Son is also called God (John 1:1, Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1, etc.) Interestingly, the two terms “Lord” and “God” are both used of Jesus at John 20:28. Jehovah is also called by this title (Rev. 4:11). The two terms are used interchangeably of both the Father and the Son.

benalvino:
Ask your self if God is a spirit why does he have a spirit?

nlMediator:

In the common, non-spiritual usage of person, neither the spirit of man nor the spirit of the world is a person. But you make my point from Acts 5 when Peter told Ananias and his wife that they lied to the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit of God is like the spirit of man, it would make as much sense to say that one lied to the Holy Spirit as saying that one lied to the spirit of a human being. We don't use the latter, but Peter used the former. Because he recognizes that the Holy Spirit is more than a "force" or a "breath." He is a person that can be lied to.

ijawkid:

From all the scriptures you quoted no one calles Jesus GOD the son and the holy spirit God the holy spirit.....

The one GOD still is the Father....so this scriptures are just like everyday scriptures..nothing spectacular to prove the trinity dogma........

nlMediator:

In the common, non-spiritual usage of person, neither the spirit of man nor the spirit of the world is a person. But you make my point from Acts 5 when Peter told Ananias and his wife that they lied to the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit of God is like the spirit of man, it would make as much sense to say that one lied to the Holy Spirit as saying that one lied to the spirit of a human being. We don't use the latter, but Peter used the former. Because he recognizes that the Holy Spirit is more than a "force" or a "breath." He is a person that can be lied to.

Dux-01:
pls are u trying to say that All the times the word GOD was in the bible it referred to Only the Father and not too Jesus?

ijawkid:

So who is the only GOD na??......

Please...who??.....

And I hope you don't forget that Jehovah appointed Jesus as Lord and so you see Jesus being called Lord.......

And once again I take you back to 1 corinthians 11:3.....

We would revolve around this scriptures until you quit the trinity......and mind you the holy spirit sef them never even call am Lord sef............

New International Version
(©2011)
But I want you to realize that the
head of every man is Christ, and
the head of the woman is man, and
the head of Christ is God

Once again we know who the one God is.....

And from John 1:1 was Jesus called the one God??.ahaaa...

And let us consider 2 peter 1:1...

You do know this verse is one amongst romans 9:5,and titus 2:13 which has been greatly twisted by trinitarians to satisfy there delusion...

Did you know that the words and construct in 2 peter 1:1 is exactly the same as the one found in 2 thesellonians 1:12 which we would read and then compare and fish out the wayo played........


New International Version
(©2011)
We pray this so that the name of
our Lord Jesus may be glorified in
you, and you in him, according to
the grace of our God and the Lord
Jesus Christ.

Hope you can spot the wayo made by your guys........

And may we just move on to the next verse and expose the inconsistency of the renderers of this verse...

2peter 1:2

New International Version
(©2011)
Grace and peace be yours in
abundance through the knowledge
of God and of Jesus our Lord......

now can you spot the wayo played??......

Now you say they are used interchangeably,and that is because your fellow trinitarians have chosen to arbitrarily chosen to switch those titles.....

Now please can you interchange those titles from 1 corinthians 11:3,1 corinthians 15:24-28,1 timothy 2:5...??..those are just few scriptures that squash your stance....

And oh I forgot to quote 2peter 1:1 from KJV and ASV.......here they are...


American King James Version
Simon Peter, a servant and an
apostle of Jesus Christ, to them
that have obtained like precious
faith with us through the
righteousness of God and our
Savior Jesus Christ:

American Standard Version
Simon Peter, a servant and
apostle of Jesus Christ, to them
that have obtained a like precious
faith with us in the righteousness
of our God and the'saviour Jesus
Christ:


Weymouth New Testament
Simon Peter, a bondservant and
Apostle of Jesus Christ: To those
to whom there has been allotted
the same precious faith as that
which is ours through the
righteousness of our God and of
our Saviour Jesus Christ.


Benalvino......

You can't twist scriptures to support the trinity....the trinity will ever remain pagan.....

Now I want you to answer confidently...

Who is the only one GOD??.......

benalvino:

You have no clue what the trinity is... Trinity is one God. In genesis God said let us(plural) he also refer him self as plural. Then in Hebrew we later know that there is father and son... That's when the role or office of God was established to play different role in saving mankind... An example when the holyspirit come opon them and they all speak in tongues does it mean the only spirit is not 1 and he is plenty? Answer is nope... The holy spirit is one and can be in billions of people at once... That my friend is one of the mystery of God human mind can comprehend

ijawkid:

I am talking about specific places where the one GOd who is the only true GOD mentioned........it is only the Father......only the Father is the one God........

That is why Jesus worshipped Him.......

shdemidemi: ^^^ In this dispensation, the Age of Grace, it's not Jesus who does the baptizing but the Holy Spirit Who is the One doing the baptizing. And He baptizes believers into Christ. It's just a complete reversal to what had been taking place. You have to understand God is one with three entities within him, then the role of the Holy Spirit can then be fully understood.

truthislight:

Most people really Confuse what spirit is.

The word spirit means many things.

See:

1. Spirit creatures are called spirits.
1. Power of spirit creatures is also called spirit.

While humans have hands and legs to do things, spirit creatures use their spirits(power) to do things.

Satan has his own power(spirit) and uses it to do whatever he wants:

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the "spirit" that now "worketh"(act) in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." (Ephesians 2:2-3).
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From that ^, we can see that the (spirit)power of satan is being use by him to do what he wants and is call, "spirit".

Yahweh has his on power to act and to will what ever he wants to do and is called the "Holy spirit", the most powerful force in the univers >>> Holy spirit.

Though Yahweh is a spirit person, his power is his Holy spirit.

The action of the holy spirit is Yahweh's doing things, be it be delegation or directly.

The Holy spirit is an exclusive control of Yahweh except when he Gives it to his servant like when he gave it to Jesus during his baptism and Jesus started performing miracles.

How satan uses his power(his spirit) to deceive the sons of disobedient is what he wants to do and he uses his spirit to do that. Ephesians 2:2.
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The spirit of God was operational in those disciples, meaning that Go working in them or God's power was upon them.

So, such lying was a deliberate going against God who have given them(disciples) his Holy spirit.

So, they went against God's leading, went against God holy spirit since the holy spirit is God's.

If your children goes against your instruction/your leading they are going against you.

Peace.

shdemidemi:


our brother benalvino has answered your question, although you seem to disagree. But the man had tried, could you please explain the prophesy of the coming of this begotten son.
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The scriptures called him all those names, they seem like similar names of God, what do u think?

benalvino:

Really trying to make the bible look like Cheat but it is not working... the wayo bible or biggest wayo is the new world translation. you keep flipping bible that suits you in English in a way and in another argument suddenly the one that suits you is wayo and the KJV will be the one you use to support your self. so forget this talk.

truthislight:

The word trinity is not in the bible neither is it a bible teaching. QED.

ijawkid:

I am talking about specific places where the one GOd who is the only true GOD mentioned........it is only the Father......only the Father is the one God........

That is why Jesus worshipped Him.......

ijawkid:

I am talking about specific places where the one GOd who is the only true GOD mentioned........it is only the Father......only the Father is the one God........

That is why Jesus worshipped Him.......

shdemidemi:


our brother benalvino has answered your question, although you seem to disagree. But the man had tried, could you please explain the prophesy of the coming of this begotten son.
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The scriptures called him all those names, they seem like similar names of God, what do u think?

truthislight:

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:18-20).