gunners160: Oga u 4 tell us say u wan join na.say d poverty level wey u dey nw wan kil u nd joinnin d freemason is d only way out because u no get hand 2 wrk sha e no hard just dey ready 2 scarifice all ur family because of money.i wonder hw person go wake up early in d mornin d 1st day in d month of june all wat d person kan think abt is hw 2 join freemason haba no b say u no even knw d disadvantage of d stuff.sha goat wey wan die quick no nid warnings

IGNORANCE! The worst thing that is happening to u right now is that u ve refused to learn even with free opportunities like this. Why can't you shut ur mouth nd learn from reasonable contributions from others instead of exposing high level of ignorance in public with baseless naïve comments. With what you just said one doesn't need a soothsayer to know ur background and where u re coming from. Its a good thing Nigerian youths are reasoning and interacting with so much facts, knowledge, wisdom and the zeal to educate one another instead of the usual abuse and myopic nd naïve discouragements nd demoralisations that usually trails such topics.

As a grand master of freemasonic and satanic mysteries,i can autoritatively that you that we do not want religioidiosycritofanatics in our midst.we work for the prince and lord bringer of light so we hardly accept strictly religious people and if you can ask this question,then you cannot join us...

gsalvatore: Hitler didn't commit all those atrocities under the name of christainity or jesus(an besides who fought hitler and his hoards,Muslims?NO). The terrorists commit their atrocities wit the holy quran as their manual, in the name of Allah(jihad is in quran -no matter how or what you argue it to be). There are some liberal/advanced/good/cool muslims that doesn't share the same veiw with the hardliners(that kill in Gods name). And you have to notice that most of these videos released on You tube or aljazeera ntwrks by terrorist,you see them terrorist quoting the quran.
Stop comparing the drive towards hitlers atrocities to that of the terrorist abeg.

Oga, read my comment again..what I was trying to point was U dont judge a race with the action of a man.. terrorist fit carry Quran for head, commit all sorts of madness but it doesn't mean they muslims or say doesn't mean all muslims are like that..Adolf was a case study..Jihad IN QURANIC CONTEXT NEVER SAID KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE...The point of Jihad was to emphasize self defense, when Thr unbelievera attack U or your people, when they dont let u worship, then a war is waged..thats the point of Jihad..my guy, I be muslim, I be alhaji sef but irock, got friends from all sphere of life, im well schooled to the highest degree of education U can think of, im trendy and fashionable...PREACHING THE INNOCENCE OF ISLAM DOESNT MAKE ME A SAINT BUT ITS TRUTH..ISLAM IS THE LIGHT AND TRUTH..A RELIGION OF ABSOLUTE PEACE WHICH FROWNS AMD CODEMN VIOLENCE OF ANY FORM EXCEPT EXCEPT FOR LEGITIMATE SELF DEFENSE( this im sure applies in b other religions too, satanism, hindu, budhist,, Christians. ..Kapish

My brother-man and sister-woman!d coco bi say, @ the end of life u either pot to hell or heaven. so live right!

@ krucifax,you have mentioned the disadvantages.
my question to u now is what do gain by becoming a freemason?

The is no free launch anywhere.if they said is free,yet they lead u to swear to an oath,then it means its a secret organisation.christainity is not freemason,cos the lodges knew that there master is not our Lord Jesus Christ.Jesus is the Lord of Lords!

iamdsam: I like to join this freemason o. How can I join

Get a member to recommend you or you can attend an open day.

Nnanna nzewi: The is no free launch anywhere.if they said is free,yet they lead u to swear to an oath,then it means its a secret organisation.christainity is not freemason,cos the lodges knew that there master is not our Lord Jesus Christ.Jesus is the Lord of Lords!

Go to a homeless shelter if free lunch is what you are looking for..

cmart09: just my opinion, if I am to stop being christian today, i will be a freemasonary rather than being a muslim.
As 4 'Stonebridge' Its a free world, if you feel like swaping go ahead cos there is no 72 V, any where.

As lf you are that important. Islam is a complete religion with or without you,so if you like turn babalawo, who cares.

2B1,ASK 1

mkmyers45: Get a member to recommend you or you can attend an open day.

Smote it be , brother. Wish you well on your journey to the east. Any other Mason in the house?

Black Swan:

I didn't know that freemasons are the founders of rotary club. This is interesting.

Dont get me wrong ma'am, i was referring to the similarity between the "open" freemasons and rotary club (or any other social club).
Freemasons are not the founders of the Rotary club.

No dey ask public secret cult matter! Hw u expect any answer, bt my guess is dat u were just bored wit the weekend.

sanniemoe:

Oga, read my comment again..what I was trying to point was U dont judge a race with the action of a man.. terrorist fit carry Quran for head, commit all sorts of madness but it doesn't mean they muslims or say doesn't mean all muslims are like that..Adolf was a case study..Jihad IN QURANIC CONTEXT NEVER SAID KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE...The point of Jihad was to emphasize self defense, when Thr unbelievera attack U or your people, when they dont let u worship, then a war is waged..thats the point of Jihad..my guy, I be muslim, I be alhaji sef but irock, got friends from all sphere of life, im well schooled to the highest degree of education U can think of, im trendy and fashionable...PREACHING THE INNOCENCE OF ISLAM DOESNT MAKE ME A SAINT BUT ITS TRUTH..ISLAM IS THE LIGHT AND TRUTH..A RELIGION OF ABSOLUTE PEACE WHICH FROWNS AMD CODEMN VIOLENCE OF ANY FORM EXCEPT EXCEPT FOR LEGITIMATE SELF DEFENSE( this im sure applies in b other religions too, satanism, hindu, budhist,, Christians. ..Kapish

Try harder next time...
I like the cool muslims though, but I think concience is wat keeps them cool, not the quoran. When they get to that part... They just skip it, and turn to the next page.

dowjones: Freemasonry IS NOT FOR MUSLIMS. The founding fathers of freemasonry had strong ties with the church. However, we have "free mason clubs", like the rotary club or lions club opened to everyone.

With due respect, dont misinform and mislead this forum of learning. Rotary is not part of "free mason clubs". Rotary was founded by Paul Percy Harris and his three other friends. google the name for more info. Also check out www.rotary.org. It is very important to note that Rotary does not place emphasis on your religious community for a prospective member to be admitted, but ones consciousness to the "service to humanity". Rotary was founded on the foundation of FRIENDSHIP, FELLOWSHIP and SERVICE. TAKE NOTE AND SEEK SERIOUS CAUTION in your comments.

Krucifax: A lot of commentators here clearly do not know what they are commenting about! Let me elaborate.
1. To join Freemasonry you FIRST have to be recommended by a current Freemason.
2. Membership is open to ALL except WOMEN. You are only required to believe in a God. There is no specification for Jehovah, Allah or Buddha!
3. On the subject of Islam there are no clear rules barring a muslim that i know. However during your initiation ceremony a sword is placed on your chest and a “BIBLE”(old testament) is used when you swear your oath of allegiance. You are also informed during the rites of the Masons link to King Solomon. This applies in any lodge in any country. Also the lodge of your initiation remains your MOTHER lodge regardless of if your travel.
4. On the subject of Occultism. People are mostly lead by ignorance and stuff they see in movies. In 99.9% of Masonry meetings all you do is read bulletins, have dinner, drink, socialise, network and pay your membership fees. Having said that i am told that when you become a senior member then you may join other groups that are not Masonic by origin but may have esoteric interests.
5. There are 33 degrees or levels in Freemasonry. From Entered Apprentice to Soveriegn Grand Inspector General. I list them below.:


1° Entered Apprentice
2° Fellowcraft
3° Master Maso
4° Secret Master


5° Perfect Master


6° Confidential [Intimate] Secretary


7° Provost and Judge


8° Intendent of the Building


9° Elu, or Elected Knight, of the Nine


10° Illustrious Elect or Elu of the Fifteen


11° Sublime Knight Elect, or Elu, of the Twelve


12° [Grand] Master Architect


13° Knight of the Ninth Arch, or Royal Arch of Solomon


14° Grand Elect, Perfect and Sublime Mason, or Perfect Elu


Chapter of Rose Croix


15° Knight of the Sword [of the East]


16° Prince of Jerusalem


17° Knight of the East and West


18° Knight [Prince] Rose Croix


Council of Kadosh


19° [Grand] Pontiff


20° [Grand] Master of Symbolic Lodges


21° Noachite or Prussian Knight


22° Knight of the Royal Axe


23° Chief of the Tabernacle


24° Prince of the Tabernacle


25° Knight of the[b] Brazen Serpent
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26° Prince of Mercy


27° Knight Commander of the Temple


28° Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept


29° Grand Scottish Knight of St. Andrew


30° Knight Kadosh


Consistory of Sublime Princes


31° Inspector Inquisitor Commander


32° Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret


Supreme Council


33° Sovereign Grand Inspector General




In summary for those that are still wondering. There is absolutely nothing Evil or Satanic about Freemasonry. Granted there is a lot of symbolism and ceremony that stretches back hundreds of years but it is nothing to be feared. It is only ignorance of people from the outside. If there is any issue is that you get bored of sitting round with people old enough to be your grand father and the constant drain on your finances that is the only evil i can say exists in Freemasonry. Have a nice day all.

Carefully consider the bolded then you will know which direction to go. Either you are a Muslim or a Christian.
You dont need to be counselled, the above speaks clearly where Freemason belong.

Please, nairalanders read this article about Rotary Club and Free Mason. The website is www.rotaryfirst100.org





ROTARY, FREEMASONRY AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

These badges below were found by our historian colleague, Dr. Wolfgang Ziegler and triggered off a search for its origin which has not yet been resolved. The central part of what is otherwise a normal Rotary lapel badge, seems to show the symbols of Freemasonry, the set square and compasses, while the letter 'G' in the centre is also an indication of the Scottish Rite of Masonry. We know that many of the early Rotarians were Masons and that, according to C.R. Hewitt in 'Towards My Neighbour', some Rotary clubs recruited exclusively from Freemasons until the practice was banned in the 1920s. To date, no precise details of these links have been found in the archives of either body.

The relationship was a matter of some discussion and in February 1923, an article in 'The Rotary Wheel' sought to allay fears among Rotarians who might think that their membership of the one could cause problems in the other.

However, many people who did not know much about these organisations, thought that Rotary was a form of Masonry. This eventually led to a much more serious problem when the Catholic Church, which had long been an antagonist of Masonry, classed Rotary as a similar organisation.

Also see the Ziegler Collection

G.K. Chesterton who was often a vocal critic of Rotary, was a Catholic convert. and his adherence to the sectarian line may have coloured his views.

The problems seem to have started in Spain about 1928 when the Bishops of Almeria, Leon, Orense, Palencia and Tuy laid charges that Rotary is "nothing else but a new satanic organisation with the same background and teachings of masonry" and that "according to documents and reliable sources, Rotary is a suspected organisation, and should be considered as execrable and perverse". The Church also criticised and condemned Rotary for showing a concept of life and of service without reference to church teaching. Indeed, it seems that they believed it a secret society with quasi-religious overtones as many in the Church thought was the case with Freemasonry. For whatever reason, the Vatican took up the reins and in 1929 issued a decree that "it is not expedient" for Catholic priests to participate in Rotary either as members or guests. This decree and its implications were worrying to the many Catholics in Rotary not the least the then President Tom Sutton who was himself a Catholic, and former Chancellor Germany Wilhelm Cuno, a member in Hamburg.
Critical and at times disparaging articles regularly appeared in Catholic newspapers, especially in the 'Civilta Cattolica' in Italy, and Tom Sutton went off to Rome to try to convince the Papal authorities that Rotary was not Masonic, and that it was a movement which was not in conflict with any Catholic teaching.

Sutton's attempts to convince the Secretary of State in the Vatican, Cardinal Gaspari, were fruitless and the anti-Rotary articles continued to be published. An even more virulent article later appeared in Paris in 'La France Catholique' making allegations about both Paul Harris and the links between Rotary and Freemasonry, which were later reprinted in the Baltic paper 'Rytas'.

The factual errors could be, and promptly were shown to be false, and by 1933 there was a mood swing in the Vatican, perhaps partly occasioned by the number of prominent and influential Catholics throughout the world who were joining Rotary. Priests were now allowed to use their discretion about attending or even joining Rotary. Nevertheless, one of the results of the Church's attitude was the slow development of Rotary in some predominantly Catholic countries such as Ireland.

This uneasy peace continued until 1951 when another Vatican decree warned priests that they should not join Rotary and that "the faithful should be aware of seditious and suspected organisations".

By then, however, the world had changed and the decree caused an immediate angry response, among others from the then Catholic President of RI, Arthur Laqueux, and from the Rotarian Catholic Bishop of Fort Wayne, Indiana, who publicly declared the decree "quite incomprehensible".
Fairly soon, the Vatican began to retract. The official newspaper 'Osservatore Romano' wrote "In some nations, because of a prevalent Masonic influx, the action of Rotary Clubs has conflicted with the activity and the needs of the Church. It must be said, however, that such has not been the case in other nations where the attitude of Rotary has shown itself in practice tolerant and benevolent towards religious interests."
By the end of the decade, the Catholic Truth Society was able to declare that "Rotary is neither secret nor seditious". It was nevertheless still regarded as a "society banned under pain of sin only" and not of "sin and excommunication". Gradually there was a thaw in relations between the Church and Rotary. In 1970 Pope Pius VI addressed Rotarians in Italy, and in 1979 Pope John Paul II spoke to the International Convention in Rome, praising some of Rotary's humanitarian programmes at a special audience in the Vatican. Later he accepted a Paul Harris Fellowship and a World Understanding and Peace Award from Rotary, while Catholic priests throughout the world were taking positions of authority, even serving as District Governors.

As Alvarez points out, it was not only Rotary that was condemned during the 1930s and 1940s. The Lions Clubs and even the YMCA incurred the wrath of the Vatican. In fact, the condemnation of the Y.M.C.A. was even earlier in 1920 when it was described as "White Masonry", on the grounds that "such organisation, while showing special concern for the youth, corrupted their faith, teaching them a conception of life dispensing with the Church and all religious teachings. The Y.M.C.A. is contributing to the decay of the youth's faith, by affirming that its purpose is to show them a conception of life without churches or religious confession".

Basil Lewis
Based on Nicholl's 'The Golden Wheel', Juan Alvarez's excellent analysis of 'Masonry in Latin America', RIBI's 'The Rotary Wheel' and other published works.

Also see, Rotarian Lodge #4195

A letter on this subject from Paul Harris (left)







The following was provided by RGHF historian Calum Thomson: 18 May 2006

Paul Harris said the following: "fraternity without rituals, passwords and secrets".

Source - Jeffrey Charles: 'Service Clubs in American Society' chapter 1 entitled "From Fraternity to Service".

The quote is derived from Paul Harris' promotional brochures which were distributed to the early (potential) members of ROTARY/One.

Charles concludes his paragraph by stating "Harris' organization promised an informality and exclusivity that fraternalism could not match."
You can perform your own search at www.historysearch.org

All pages of Rotary Global History Fellowship may be translated using the "Google Translation" found on all pages. This page does not indicate any relationship between Rotary International and any Masonic organization.



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العثور على جميع الصفحات. هذه الصفحة لا يشير إلى أي علاقة بين منظمة الروتاري الدولية، وأية منظمة الماسونية.




Further to the piece about Masons and Rotary
Prince Conti, District Governor of D46 (Italy) in 1928 wrote: "Lately a few Catholic papers have shown doubts as to the origin and the work of our Association; and worse than that, they have tried to trace relations between Rotary and Masonry. These doubts of the Catholic press are not in the least just, and many Catholic priests belong to Rotary. We are sorry that such doubts exist, but we are not troubled, because we know perfectly well that no tie exists between the two Associations, and that in all our manifestations there is not one single thing that is not compatible with our consciences as Catholics and Italians and Fascists.

As the General President, Harry Rogers declared at the International Convention at Ostend, no tie has ever existed, exists, or will ever exist between the two associations. As President of Italian Rotary I declare that I would not remain in this position one hour if I had any doubts on this subject

Ms_Steph: I notice pple hve bin trying to paint islam as a good religion in the world on nairaland. Don't try too hard the harm has bin done already

I don't know what you mean by "the harm has been already". For your information, Islam has been perfected by the Creator of the worlds; whether you like or not.

dowjones: Freemasonry IS NOT FOR MUSLIMS. The founding fathers of freemasonry had strong ties with the church. However, we have "free mason clubs", like the rotary club or lions club opened to everyone.

But late Olori Oluwo, Otunba Oluwole Holloway was a grand master in lodge, practiced pure Islam, built mosques in and around Lagos and was a senior captain in the ogboni fraternity. Why didn't muslims reject his gifts since he openly confessed his membership in these confraternities?.

Who told you that you don't have freemasons in Islam? The origins of the illuminati can be traced back to the intellectual capital of the islamic world- Egypt. Muslim brotherhood is a branch of the freemasons.

What connection if any, do the Freemasons have with Reformed Ogboni Fraternity and any other types of Ogboni?

stonebridge: Are muslim men allowed to join Freemasonry?. If no, why and is there are injunction against masonry in the holy quran?

Seriously I don't see any different between Freemason and Islam. I think Freemasons are even better in terms of believe. At least they are not killing people anyhow. I think they are both birds of same feather.

stonebridge: Are muslim men allowed to join Freemasonry?. If no, why and is there are injunction against masonry in the holy quran?

ask sanusi

dowjones:

Dont get me wrong ma'am, i was referring to the similarity between the "open" freemasons and rotary club (or any other social club).
Freemasons are not the founders of the Rotary club.

ok, noted

stonebridge: Are muslim men allowed to join Freemasonry?. If no, why and is there are injunction against masonry in the holy quran?

Actually, the higher you go on the ladder of muslim or freemasonry, the more you realise that they are both the same. So whichever path you choose to take, you'll most likely end up in the same location...

NOIBMUUL:

Actually, the higher you go on the ladder of muslim or freemasonry, the more you realise that they are both the same. So whichever path you choose to take, you'll most likely end up in the same location...

What location?. Afghanistan or hell fire?.

sanniemoe:

I know Its one man against an army. My chances of winning dey slim but man, I tell U this there are a whole lot of responsible muslims out there, doing perfectly well. Islam, I insist iS A RELIGION OF PEACE..HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VIOLENCE...
Adolf Hitler has committed more terror in the world than any islamic terrorist. He organized mass murder, terrific and horrific crimes the world has never heard of. Adolf was a Christian, a devoted one at that. Now look at it from this angle, does that mean all Christians are evil as a result of Adolf's sin? Does that mean every German living or dead are evil people? My brother, if No, then learn, u dont judge men with the sins of a man

Hitler may be born into a christain family but he chose to be an occult grandmaster. He saw himself a god. Try to get documentaries about Hitler

One thing I know is that Freemasonry is neither Boys Scout nor Brigade. It isn't even a social club where members go to network as some Masonic apologists would want us to believe. Sometime ago, Newswatch Magazine ran a cover story it titled: The Cult That Rules the World. Get that edition if you can. They claim to have over 10,000 members in Naija alone mostly the high and mighty in the country.

biafra kwenu: Please, nairalanders read this article about Rotary Club and Free Mason. The website is www.rotaryfirst100.org





ROTARY, FREEMASONRY AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

I have gone through this article and one mistake here makes me skeptical.
Contrary to the information written therein, Pope Pius VI was not the Catholic Pontif as at 1970 but Pope Paul VI.

Pope Pius VI (1775 - 1799)

dowjones: Freemasonry IS NOT FOR MUSLIMS. The founding fathers of freemasonry had strong ties with the church. However, we have "free mason clubs", like the rotary club or lions club opened to everyone.

tel that to mallam lamido sanusi lamido