musKeeto:

What's faith?

Emusan:

Ask google!

musKeeto:

Bible definition: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Google:
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Merriam-Webster:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
[size=15pt]b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust[/size]
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>



So which of these definitions would you pick to describe a belief in the 'non-existence' of an entity?

musKeeto: Good.

So what proof would you require for something that's non-existent?

striktlymi:


How do you know it is non-existent?

musKeeto:

striktlymi:


How do you know that it is non-existent?

How you know say hin no exist?

musKeeto:

How does a virgin know she doesn't have a kid?

peterphd: How can peeps still be saying one needs faith in order to say that something is nonexistent? Smh

striktlymi:

Since you do not require faith...so tell us how you know that God is non-existent.

striktlymi:


For someone who doesn't like people dodging, you are doing a pretty good job at it...

peterphd:

Its simple.There's no conclusive evidence.

peterphd:
There are over a million gods out there. Christians are atheists to all of them atheists just go one step further.how do you know that the others are "man-made gods" and the Jewish mythology god is the real one?

musKeeto:

Learnt from the best.

Started from the bottom, no we're here things...

striktlymi:

Lack of scientific evidence does not disprove the existence of something or anything...

Consider a situation where a young lady goes missing and some persons speculate that this lady might have been killed because she has been missing for over 20 years and all efforts to get the police to locate her prove abortive...

Do we now draw the conclusion that she is alive or dead because we have insufficient evidence to prove our case? Without a body there is no way we can tell if this lady is alive or dead...

I don't know if you understand where I am heading with the above but the bottom line here is that inconclusive evidence is not enough to disprove the existence of anything.



Christians are not Atheists to other gods...Christians believe in the existence of other deities apart from the God we choose to serve...we do not deny this fact. Atheists on the other hand deny the existence of any deity.

I am cool when an Atheist tells me that he refuse to believe my claim of a God but I find it a bitter pill to swallow when the Atheist in denying my claim makes a claim of his own in the process.

If I say there is God (a claim) and an Atheist says there is no God (a counter claim) then that Atheist must prove his claim o, since he wants me to prove mine.

plendil:

The irony of it. and you said you left Christianity because. . .

hisblud: ok so briefly state YOUR atheistic world view then!

whatofyou: If you do not believe in evolution just like few atheists, what do you then really believe in?
To topic, I have severally searched for the tribe in the world that was bereft of an idea or worship of god before they got 'enlightened'. We did not learn that one, it is innate. That is, Asia might have brought us God and Jesus or God and Mohammed, but every continent had their gods, including several superstitions.
The God the bible teaches is a God of love. From the account in Eden of Genesis God blessed man with freewill. This freewill was put to test when our first parents decided to heed satan's advice. It was replicated again by Isreal of old when they made Saul king, rejecting God's leadership. The "let Thy kingdom come" part of The Lord's prayer is simply telling us that man cannot do anything positively lasting without God's intervention. If God is now neutral in (some) of the happenings of the world, that does not mean He will be neutral forever. When the appointed time comes, He will intervene. Then, man will see no reason not to be loyal to His leadership. Ever since man got the leadership baton in his hands, to the day he will 'guil:tifully' return it to the owner, he has been falling from one peril to another.
Our brain is the greatest gift God gave to mankind. Just like other earthly gifts, some underuse, overuse, use it correctly, or use it wrongly, even to the extent of insulting the giver of the gift. It is a pity that not everyone (even me) may be saved. In our world the only thing constant is CHANGE: People have gone from being christians, muslims, pagans to being atheists, and vice-versa. Myself?, I do not belong to any church presently, I am a stay-at-home christian.

Prosper793: I was anticipating an ingeniously sophisticated philosopher,who happens to be an atheist;only to come meeting our OP who hasnt become well grounded on the realities of life. He even went further to stand to answer questions on religion philosophy.

Op,your points are flimsy,no offence.

striktlymi:

Lack of scientific evidence does not disprove the existence of something or anything...

Consider a situation where a young lady goes missing and some persons speculate that this lady might have been killed because she has been missing for over 20 years and all efforts to get the police to locate her prove abortive...

Do we now draw the conclusion that she is alive or dead because we have insufficient evidence to prove our case? Without a body there is no way we can tell if this lady is alive or dead...

I don't know if you understand where I am heading with the above but the bottom line here is that inconclusive evidence is not enough to disprove the existence of anything.



Christians are not Atheists to other gods...Christians believe in the existence of other deities apart from the God we choose to serve...we do not deny this fact. Atheists on the other hand deny the existence of any deity.

I am cool when an Atheist tells me that he refuse to believe my claim of a God but I find it a bitter pill to swallow when the Atheist in denying my claim makes a claim of his own in the process.

If I say there is God (a claim) and an Atheist says there is no God (a counter claim) then that Atheist must prove his claim o, since he wants me to prove mine.

fifa456n:

None, taken, but it still stands, is there a good evidence for an existence of God.

fifa456n:

First of all not all of atheists acknowledge evolution as it is, i am not too keen on evolution, but there is overwhemling evidence that we evolved from a common ancestor, missing link i dont know much about evolution yet, and btw just because something is yet to be known is not a reason for a supernatural "God of the gaps", in the future it is possible that such information can be fully revealed and understood by humans.

musKeeto:

Bible definition: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Google:
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Merriam-Webster:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>



So which of these definitions would you pick to describe a belief in the 'non-existence' of an entity?

Uyi Iredia:

I think this further goes to show that if a person is an atheist, he/she is more likely to believe in evolution. Indeed a 'god-of-the-gaps' argument is unacceptable. That said it seems you just believw in evolution at face valur. You admit you don't know much about it and aren't to keen on it yet believe there is massive evidence for it. Consider that there is a limit to the variations that occur in a species (e.g bear doesn't grow flippers), keep in mind that the mutations that are supposednto genwrate new adaptive traits are random copying errors (accidents don't create things, they destroy already extant things). Nuff said on evolution.

Finally, 2 questions: What convinced you to drop the idea of a Christian God ? What's your take on God generally understood in various religions and by deists as the Creator of the universe ?

striktlymi:

Lack of scientific evidence does not disprove the existence of something or anything...

Consider a situation where a young lady goes missing and some persons speculate that this lady might have been killed because she has been missing for over 20 years and all efforts to get the police to locate her prove abortive...

Do we now draw the conclusion that she is alive or dead because we have insufficient evidence to prove our case? Without a body there is no way we can tell if this lady is alive or dead...

I don't know if you understand where I am heading with the above but the bottom line here is that inconclusive evidence is not enough to disprove the existence of anything.



Christians are not Atheists to other gods...Christians believe in the existence of other deities apart from the God we choose to serve...we do not deny this fact. Atheists on the other hand deny the existence of any deity.

I am cool when an Atheist tells me that he refuse to believe my claim of a God but I find it a bitter pill to swallow when the Atheist in denying my claim makes a claim of his own in the process.

If I say there is God (a claim) and an Atheist says there is no God (a counter claim) then that Atheist must prove his claim o, since he wants me to prove mine.

striktlymi:

Lack of scientific evidence does not disprove the existence of something or anything...

Consider a situation where a young lady goes missing and some persons speculate that this lady might have been killed because she has been missing for over 20 years and all efforts to get the police to locate her prove abortive...

Do we now draw the conclusion that she is alive or dead because we have insufficient evidence to prove our case? Without a body there is no way we can tell if this lady is alive or dead...

I don't know if you understand where I am heading with the above but the bottom line here is that inconclusive evidence is not enough to disprove the existence of anything.



Christians are not Atheists to other gods...Christians believe in the existence of other deities apart from the God we choose to serve...we do not deny this fact. Atheists on the other hand deny the existence of any deity.

I am cool when an Atheist tells me that he refuse to believe my claim of a God but I find it a bitter pill to swallow when the Atheist in denying my claim makes a claim of his own in the process.

If I say there is God (a claim) and an Atheist says there is no God (a counter claim) then that Atheist must prove his claim o, since he wants me to prove mine.

fifa456n:
The christian God is definitely is really crazy, read old testament especially. In other religions their understanding of God or gods vary. I admitted that i dont much, meaning like i dont know it at an advanced level yet and when i said not to keen i was rather saying the same thing i just said meaning i dont have an advanced level yet, still learning.

fifa456n:
The christian God is definitely is really crazy, read old testament especially. In other religions their understanding of God or gods vary. I admitted that i dont much, meaning like i dont know it at an advanced level yet and when i said not to keen i was rather saying the same thing i just said meaning i dont have an advanced level yet, still learning.

Emusan:

All what you're saying is just personal view of facts.
I ask you again, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim there's no God.

Christian says if you want to know maybe God exist or not join him/her with faith to receive the Holy Ghost but it's difficult for to do, now give me the evidence I will join you to verify the non-existing of God.

Uyi Iredia: I hope you understood the points I made, the errors were unintentional *Damn BB*



Question 2: What is your take on the idea of God (by various theists and deists) generally understood to be the Creator of the universe ?