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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by kkins25(m): 8:25pm On Aug 30
hell is a myth

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by obisco4u: 9:44pm On Aug 30
Eh??
Abeg wait first. Before I was born there were no clear warning signs telling me that I was commiting any sin ok... I was in the womb minding my own business. Now when I came out, sheeples started telling me I commited a sin so great that Jeses had to hang himself on a cross to pay for it.
You expect me to believe that?
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 11:56pm On Aug 30
obisco4u:
Eh??
Abeg wait first. Before I was born there were no clear warning signs telling me that I was commiting any sin ok... I was in the womb minding my own business. Now when I came out, sheeples started telling me I commited a sin so great that Jeses had to hang himself on a cross to pay for it.
You expect me to believe that?

You had better believe it because it is the truth. You can't sweep the unmatched claims of Jesus under the carpet because he proved it. He is the only one that conquered death. You will one day die and rot. Jesus is alive forever more. So, he is the only one that can save you.

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 8:33am On Aug 31
Ken4Christ:


You had better believe it because it is the truth. You can't sweep the unmatched claims of Jesus under the carpet because he proved it. He is the only one that conquered death. You will one day die and rot. Jesus is alive forever more. So, he is the only one that can save you.

what makes you think its all about living forever?

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 6:31pm On Aug 31
Wilgrea7:


what makes you think its all about living forever?

It's not all about living forever. It is much more about living a life free from pains and suffering and a life at peace with his maker. A life of confident hope for the future. A life that is without frustration. A life where you can experience the supernatural. A life without impossibility. You can only get it in Christ.

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 11:27am On Sep 01
Ken4Christ:


It's not all about living forever. It is much more about living a life free from pains and suffering and a life at peace with his maker. A life of confident hope for the future. A life that is without frustration. A life where you can experience the supernatural. A life without impossibility. You can only get it in Christ.

how did you come to the conclusion that you can get such only in Christ or as a Christian.. I've seen people who are not Christians yet they live with more happiness than most Christians.. there are aspects of theism that doesn't include Jesus.. yet people from there can boldly report being fulfilled.. so once again.. how did you come to the “only in Christ" conclusion

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:09pm On Sep 01
Wilgrea7:


how did you come to the conclusion that you can get such only in Christ or as a Christian.. I've seen people who are not Christians yet they live with more happiness than most Christians.. there are aspects of theism that doesn't include Jesus.. yet people from there can boldly report being fulfilled.. so once again.. how did you come to the “only in Christ" conclusion

That is where the problem of atheists lies. You cannot see beyond your nose. All you care about is the brief period you spend here on earth, you are oblivious to the afterlife that spans all eternity.

Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 4:16pm On Sep 01
OLAADEGBU:


That is where the problem of atheists lies. You cannot see beyond your nose. All you care about is the brief period you spend here on earth, you are oblivious to the afterlife that spans all eternity.

i am not an atheist and i never claimed to be... i believe in an afterlife of some sort.. i only asked a question.. why is it always about the afterlife.. why do we seem to give up the known for the unknown? we can both agree that there is an afterlife.. but what monopoly of the nature of the afterlife do you have? it is one thing to say that there is a ball there and another to describe the ball.. i agree that i don't KNOW what happens after death.. i only BELIEVE.. but for those who claim to know.. whether Christians or Muslims or Hindus or jews... on what universal basis do they stand?

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 11:37pm On Sep 01
Wilgrea7:


how did you come to the conclusion that you can get such only in Christ or as a Christian.. I've seen people who are not Christians yet they live with more happiness than most Christians.. there are aspects of theism that doesn't include Jesus.. yet people from there can boldly report being fulfilled.. so once again.. how did you come to the “only in Christ" conclusion

Happiness or fulfillment outside Christ is only on the surface. Deep within, they still lack peace that only Jesus can give. Jesus is the Prince of peace. Until you have Jesus, you can't have real peace.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 11:41pm On Sep 01
Wilgrea7:


i am not an atheist and i never claimed to be... i believe in an afterlife of some sort.. i only asked a question.. why is it always about the afterlife.. why do we seem to give up the known for the unknown? we can both agree that there is an afterlife.. but what monopoly of the nature of the afterlife do you have? it is one thing to say that there is a ball there and another to describe the ball.. i agree that i don't KNOW what happens after death.. i only BELIEVE.. but for those who claim to know.. whether Christians or Muslims or Hindus or jews... on what universal basis do they stand?

We stand on God's word and not on any universal basis. There is no book on earth that reveals so much about the unseen world than the Bible. Even the Quran makes reference to the Bible.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:45pm On Sep 01
Wilgrea7:


i am not an atheist and i never claimed to be... i believe in an afterlife of some sort.. i only asked a question.. why is it always about the afterlife.. why do we seem to give up the known for the unknown? we can both agree that there is an afterlife.. but what monopoly of the nature of the afterlife do you have? it is one thing to say that there is a ball there and another to describe the ball.. i agree that i don't KNOW what happens after death.. i only BELIEVE.. but for those who claim to know.. whether Christians or Muslims or Hindus or jews... on what universal basis do they stand?

My basis is on the solid Words of the One who created the universe and stepped out of eternity into time about 2,000 years ago. What's the basis of your belief? undecided
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 7:22am On Sep 02
Ken4Christ:


Happiness or fulfillment outside Christ is only on the surface. Deep within, they still lack peace that only Jesus can give. Jesus is the Prince of peace. Until you have Jesus, you can't have real peace.

how did you know they lack peace? on what basis do you draw such a conclusion? what kind of peace do they lack that only Christians seem to have?

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 7:26am On Sep 02
Ken4Christ:


We stand on God's word and not on any universal basis.
many books claim to be God's word.. and even your own bible is still a book that claims “God said"..many other books make this claim

There is no book on earth that reveals so much about the unseen world than the Bible. Even the Quran makes reference to the Bible.
its not a competition of who reveals more.. and i would like to know the unseen world that the Bible reveals that other religions dont

p.s .. the Quran isn't the only religious book in the world

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 7:29am On Sep 02
OLAADEGBU:


My basis is on the solid Words
claimed by the Bible.. and other religious books


of the One who created the universe
other religions have this claim


and stepped out of eternity into time about 2,000 years ago. What's the basis of your belief? undecided
refer to points above

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by hopefulLandlord: 7:57am On Sep 02
Wilgrea7:

many books claim to be God's word.. and even your own bible is still a book that claims “God said"..many other books make this claim

The Bible is the word of God because the Bible says it's the word of God. The Quran makes similar noises about Allah's word. Why should we disregard the Quran and accept the Bible? Both of them make the same argument about being the word of God or Allah. Muslims claim the Quran is the best book ever, and thus it's Allah's dictate (most even say it existed eternally with him). If you don't agree, well, then I guess they just say you're in denial. For that matter, the Vedas claim to be inspired as well. Hindus claim the Vedas are inspired in a different way than the Bible and Quran but the claim is still made. Baha'is claim the Kitáb-i-Aqdas is inspired. Buddhists consider the Tripitaka (Pali Canon), Mahayana Sutras and the Tibetan Book of the Dead to be sacred. The Word o' God™ books are a dime a dozen.

Edit: isn't it funny how Christians keep wishing atheism into your life? its likeif they call you atheists for a number of times you'll have no choice than to become one

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 8:33am On Sep 02
Wilgrea7:

many books claim to be God's word.. and even your own bible is still a book that claims “God said"..many other books make this claim


its not a competition of who reveals more.. and i would like to know the unseen world that the Bible reveals that other religions dont

p.s .. the Quran isn't the only religious book in the world

Please, just tell me any other book that competes with the Bible is popularity and authenticity. If you can't, you are permitted to keep quiet for life on this issue.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 10:16am On Sep 02
Ken4Christ:


Please, just tell me any other book that competes with the Bible is popularity and authenticity. If you can't, you are permitted to keep quiet for life on this issue.

is it about popularity or about truth? also, authenticity authenticity exists among many religions if you put it like that.. rather than just claiming authentic, why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic.. I'm not trying to prove superiority over anything.. I'm just trying to prove that you don't have the monopoly of any claim

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 10:19am On Sep 02
hopefulLandlord:


The Bible is the word of God because the Bible says it's the word of God. The Quran makes similar noises about Allah's word. Why should we disregard the Quran and accept the Bible? Both of them make the same argument about being the word of God or Allah. Muslims claim the Quran is the best book ever, and thus it's Allah's dictate (most even say it existed eternally with him). If you don't agree, well, then I guess they just say you're in denial. For that matter, the Vedas claim to be inspired as well. Hindus claim the Vedas are inspired in a different way than the Bible and Quran but the claim is still made. Baha'is claim the Kitáb-i-Aqdas is inspired. Buddhists consider the Tripitaka (Pali Canon), Mahayana Sutras and the Tibetan Book of the Dead to be sacred. The Word o' God™ books are a dime a dozen.
to me..the problem with the claim of inspiration is not even in the claim itself.. afterall.. no one would want to follow a faith that claims its just ordinary.. the problem is the aggressiveness at which the adherents of the inspired claims put down others from other faiths.. claiming the monopoly they don't have or attributing the rest to demons



Edit: isn't it funny how Christians keep wishing atheism into your life? its like if they call you atheists for a number of times you'll have no choice than to become one

hehehehe.. never
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 10:55pm On Sep 02
Wilgrea7:


is it about popularity or about truth? also, authenticity authenticity exists among many religions if you put it like that.. rather than just claiming authentic, why not bring forth something you consider authentic in the bible and i would show you its parallel in another religion that is also considered authentic.. I'm not trying to prove superiority over anything.. I'm just trying to prove that you don't have the monopoly of any claim


I don't have the monopoly of any claim but Jesus does and I believe him because I have experienced him.

He is the only one born without the agency of man.

He is the only one that had hundreds of recorded prophecies before he was born and they all came to fulfillment.

He is the only one that performed unmatched miracles and he is still doing it.

He is the only one that claimed he is the only way to God.

He is the first man that ever called God his father and claimed equality with God.

He is the only one who died and rose from the dead as predicted by him.

He is the only one that promised to come back to take his people home.

No other founder of any religion ever made any claim close to this. And virtually all religious leaders made reference to Jesus.

No one compares with Jesus. I am so proud to be identified with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

And everyone including you will one day stand before Jesus to be judged by him.

Please it is better you accept him now as your Lord and personal Saviour than to meet him as your judge.

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 11:03pm On Sep 02
Wilgrea7:


how did you know they lack peace? on what basis do you draw such a conclusion? what kind of peace do they lack that only Christians seem to have?

I know because I have heard the testimony of many of such people who the world thought they were having the best in life only to confess they were living a miserable life.

Only Jesus can give you real peace. Try him and you will come back with testimony.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 6:08am On Sep 03
Ken4Christ:


I know because I have heard the testimony of many of such people who the world thought they were having the best in life only to confess they were living a miserable life.

Only Jesus can give you real peace. Try him and you will come back with testimony.

really? I've also heard testimonies of people who are not Christians living fulfilled lives and heard stories of people who you'd term fire brand Christians living miserable lives.. living a fulfilled life is an individual thing.. it doesn't have anything to do with religion

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 6:27am On Sep 03
Ken4Christ:



I don't have the monopoly of any claim but Jesus does
the muslim doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Mohammed does.. the hindu doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Krishna does

and I believe him because I have experienced him.
everyone should be entitled to his or her own experience..


He is the only one born without the agency of man.

He is the only one that had hundreds of recorded prophecies before he was born and they all came to fulfillment.
now you've shifted from experience to doctrinal issues.. doctrinal issues that different denominations disagree on.. virgin birth etc


He is the only one that performed unmatched miracles and he is still doing it.
are you a miracle hunter?


He is the only one that claimed he is the only way to God.

He is the first man that ever called God his father and claimed equality with God.

He is the only one who died and rose from the dead as predicted by him.

He is the only one that promised to come back to take his people home.
all these were claimed in the bible with the tag of “jesus said"... someone wrote something claiming “jesus said".. it may be true.. it may be false.. there are also books outside the bible claiming Jesus said



No other founder of any religion ever made any claim close to this. And virtually all religious leaders made reference to Jesus.
wrong



No one compares with Jesus. I am so proud to be identified with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

And everyone including you will one day stand before Jesus to be judged by him.

Please it is better you accept him now as your Lord and personal Saviour than to meet him as your judge.

let me start by saying this.. religion does not equate to God.. there are tons of people claiming to create the universe but we both believe in the judeochristian God.. ok.. but you believe all information concerning him is given by the jews and all information given by the jews is true.. therefore you believe their letters to be the only representation of God.. but i don't.. also.. Jesus whom you claim to follow.. Yahshua .. there are many beliefs about him.. your son co equal God coming to judge the earth in the sky and all is just one of the beliefs.. if you can convince me that the Jesus you portray is the same as the historical Jesus, I'd follow you to take the Nicene creed invented around 300ad

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 8:47pm On Sep 03
Wilgrea7:

the muslim doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Mohammed does.. the hindu doesn't have the monopoly of anything.. Krishna does


everyone should be entitled to his or her own experience..



now you've shifted from experience to doctrinal issues.. doctrinal issues that different denominations disagree on.. virgin birth etc



are you a miracle hunter?



all these were claimed in the bible with the tag of “jesus said"... someone wrote something claiming “jesus said".. it may be true.. it may be false.. there are also books outside the bible claiming Jesus said



wrong




let me start by saying this.. religion does not equate to God.. there are tons of people claiming to create the universe but we both believe in the judeochristian God.. ok.. but you believe all information concerning him is given by the jews and all information given by the jews is true.. therefore you believe their letters to be the only representation of God.. but i don't.. also.. Jesus whom you claim to follow.. Yahshua .. there are many beliefs about him.. your son co equal God coming to judge the earth in the sky and all is just one of the beliefs.. if you can convince me that the Jesus you portray is the same as the historical Jesus, I'd follow you to take the Nicene creed invented around 300ad

Mohammed never made any unique claim. Rather he expressed his inability to save and even affirmed that Muslims will go to hell after which Allah will deliver those who are worthy. Are you aware of this?

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Ken4Christ: 8:50pm On Sep 03
Wilgrea7:


really? I've also heard testimonies of people who are not Christians living fulfilled lives and heard stories of people who you'd term fire brand Christians living miserable lives.. living a fulfilled life is an individual thing.. it doesn't have anything to do with religion

You can't fight the truth for too long. Even your very conscience know that Jesus is Lord. You are just being stubborn.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by Wilgrea7(m): 10:22pm On Sep 03
Ken4Christ:


You can't fight the truth for too long. Even your very conscience know that Jesus is Lord. You are just being stubborn.

I'm not trying to fight anything.. I'm at peace with my conscience... I'm only stating the obvious.. you haven't refuted it

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Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by MuttleyLaff: 2:14am On Sep 04
Ken4Christ:
You can't fight the truth for too long.
Even your very conscience know that Jesus is Lord
You are just being stubborn.

Wilgrea7:
I'm not trying to fight anything..
I'm at peace with my conscience...
I'm only stating the obvious.. you haven't refuted it
It would not be in good conscience disputing that Jesus is Lord
If not now, it will be in one's good stead, to sooner or later accept and/or admit, that Jesus is Lord
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by uvalued(m): 7:16am On Sep 04
OLAADEGBU:


That's true. The gospel of Christ the power of God unto salvation....

some few days or so ago ... i wanted to have a message to share with signs and wonders following i beleive i have found it in this post... allowing law + conscience to do the work after that its Christ only. God bless
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by uvalued(m): 7:19pm On Sep 04
OLAADEGBU:


That's true. The gospel of Christ the power of God unto salvation....

if yoi can pls answer... now we see sons of God breaking the law that convicts sinners.. will that make them unsaved again....hope it makes sense
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:32pm On Sep 04
uvalued:


if yoi can pls answer... now we see sons of God breaking the law that convicts sinners.. will that make them unsaved again....hope it makes sense

I suppose you are referring to the doctrine of "eternal security" there is nothing like that. The Bible says "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). When a believer sins and genuinely repents, he is forgiven and restored back to fellowship due to the finished work of Christ and His present intercession in heaven as our High Priest. This does not apply to those who habitually practise sin.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by uvalued(m): 1:18am On Sep 05
OLAADEGBU:


I suppose you are referring to the doctrine of "eternal security" there is nothing like that. The Bible says "If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). When a believer sins and genuinely repents, he is forgiven and restored back to fellowship due to the finished work of Christ and His present intercession in heaven as our High Priest. This does not apply to those who habitually practise sin.

so are you saying after confessing, he is expected to use the law to help guide him from repeating the vomit he spewed out?
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:26pm On Sep 05
uvalued:


so are you saying after confessing, he is expected to use the law to help guide him from repeating the vomit he spewed out?

We can only be saved by grace and to remain saved we need His grace. Jesus is full of grace and truth. Both go together, grace and truth.
Re: Hell's Best Kept Secret by uvalued(m): 3:43am On Sep 06
OLAADEGBU:


We can only be saved by grace and to remain saved we need His grace. Jesus is full of grace and truth. Both go together, grace and truth.

thank you... now that the law is a schoolmaster for sinners to point them for the need of a SAvior.. not for the righteous... therefore i dont need the law anymore but to grow in His grace and truth...

can you share what signs and wonders have followed you after you started exposing the sinner's schoolmaster? such as raising the dead, visible miracles like the apostles did?

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