druid06: Very well written short article and I agree with the basis of the OP.

If science (Atheist) claim the world/life couldn't have been created by an intelligent being (Supreme being).

Isnt't it hypocrisy when they say the universe/life just emerged by pure chance (evolution).

Uyi Iredia: ^^^ says the dude who kills logic. "Atheism is not the belief that God does not exist." says logicboy. LOL !

Logicboy03:


Fail....go back to your alchemy and old magic because you clearly do not understand science. Silly druid.


Natural selection is the opposite of chance

ooman:

Who is the dunce here? You, whose position is based on assumptions or me, whose position is based on observation.

You know, you theist have a very simple work to do compared to atheists. You propose a conscious God, all you need to do is to call him down. Simple.

We propose randomness, and this we have shown the world.

ooman:

Except reason and logic betrays you.

By reason and logic, the atheistic position is satisfied and has one more point than the theistic position.

druid06: Very well written short article and I agree with the basis of the OP.

If science (Atheist) claim the world/life couldn't have been created by an intelligent being (Supreme being).

Isnt't it hypocrisy when they say the universe/life just emerged by pure chance (evolution).

druid06:

In a layman's term, kindly explain evolution to me if it's not pure chance.

In the big bang theory in layman's term, scientist claim the universe just exploded into being and all the the planets, galaxies, milky waves were created from that single explosion. Kindly tell me otherwise if that's not chance..

So then what's the difference between creationism and evolution?

plaetton:

My friend , I think you guys misunderstand what pure chance means in the context of evolution. No one says that the universe, the galaxies, stars and planets merged overnight by pure chance.
I am very sure that is what you guys have in mind when you make your arguments.

Everything in the universe is in motion, rapid motion for that matter. That is a fact.
When an infinite number of particles of condensed energy are in rapid motion, collisions occur, chance collisions that
inevitably lead to the formation of more complex particles.


When this process continues for an infinite period of time, say billions of years, complex formations emerge , and the process continues, this time, from a higher level of complexity and sophistication.

This is how galaxies, stars, planets, inorganic and organic molecules, proto-life cells and the simplest micro-biotic life emerged.
It is Physics, it is chemistry, it is biology.
It makes sense both mathematically and experimentally.

Creationism or intelligent design, on the other hand, rests on nothing except the blind belief in them.

Logicboy03:

Go and read a science book. I am not your teacher

wiegraf:

You're beginning to veer into foolishness..

wiegraf:

Like I said, head first into foolishness. What exactly do you think remnants of limbs were used for? Or what do you think wings on chickens served? I supposed they used those wings back in the day to swim, yes?

Also, the foolishness of focusing on the word 'theory'.. I suppose gravity is just a theory as well, yes? If you jump of a building you won't fall down as it's a nonsense theory. It's not really real, just speculation.

I can tell you, and you guys love to have one repeat himself over and over, that it is by far the more likely 'purpose' as it agrees the most with the evidence. You have a better one that explains to colossal size, randomness, and general capriciousness, then please, do share. Unlike you nutters science will gladly change its stance if shown to be wrong. You see, because it's actually looking for the real answers, not comically making $hit up then pretending to know.

As for your demand that I prove to you this universe is gargantuan........ Well....... I hope you're trolling

druid06:

Everything you just mentioned still boils down to the part to support my thesis where I said evolution is based on pure chance.

wiegraf:

But do note, evolution is a FACT.

Mr Troll:
Mr wiegraf, did you actually write this? In real time 2013?

Ok, lemme not go off the handle now. Do you mean, undirected random evolution from the big bang up till man is FACT?

plaetton:

Mr Troll,
Undirected and infinite series of random chance events have led you from your date of birth to this very thread on this very forum this very day.
That is a fact.
Do you wish to dispute that?

Logicboy03: #Team Weigraff.



Mr Troll, go and open a science book. Dont be like Uyi Iredia and Deepsight who engage in pseudoscientific jargon

plaetton:

Mr Troll,
Undirected and infinite series of random chance events have led you from your date of birth to this very thread on this very forum this very day.
That is a fact.
Do you wish to dispute that?

druid06:

Note that I higlighted the world 'chance' in your statement. It's what I've been trying to say all these while. Creationism believes of an intelligent being with great engineering and architectural skill who created the world and all living organisms to inhabit the earth while science (evolution) says life evolved from a non living thing and the universe was created by chance. Both creationish and evolution don't give a specific and logical answer as to where we really come from and how we got here.

So what the creator of this thread is trying to say, if religion says we were created by an intelligent being why is science being all hypocritical when themselves do not have a definite answer as to how we all got here.

Uyi Iredia: ^^^ says the dude who kills logic. "Atheism is not the belief that God does not exist." says logicboy. LOL !

Mr Troll: can you print this and paste it on Wiegrafs forehead? Although i wouldn't say science is being hypocritical. Just the baby pseudoscientists on this forum being all presumptuous and haughty.

druid06:

Note that I higlighted the world 'chance' in your statement. It's what I've been trying to say all these while. Creationism believes of an intelligent being with great engineering and architectural skill who created the world and all living organisms to inhabit the earth while science (evolution) says life evolved from a non living thing and the universe was created by chance. Both creationish and evolution don't give a specific and logical answer as to where we really come from and how we got here.

So what the creator of this thread is trying to say, if religion says we were created by an intelligent being why is science being all hypocritical when themselves do not have a definite answer as to how we all got here.

plaetton:

Well , my friend, let say this, and please commit it to memory:
Science is mainly about asking questions. Science has never ever claimed to have all the answers, no no no.
Science starts from a position of unknowing and gradually builds up a body of knowledge that is useful to everyone. Such knowledge are subject to review and rejection when superior or more advanced knowledge emerges through the same process.

Everything we know today about the universe were gained incrementally over time, through a thorough process that weighs, tests and vets all new knowledge.
Creationism on the other hand relies on no reasonable level of proof, evidence, mathematical or scientific deduction, except for the fables, myths and legend of stone age people who had zero knowledge of atoms, the basic building block matter, and who barely understood the cause of disease.

Where would a reasonable person like you cast his lot, with religion, or with science?.

Logicboy03:


Strawman......

Mr Troll: can you print this and paste it on Wiegrafs forehead? Although i wouldn't say science is being hypocritical. Just the baby pseudoscientists on this forum being all presumptuous and haughty.

plaetton:

Well, everything that happens in the universe, with no exceptions, happens as result of an infinite series of chance events.

Your very presence on this forum, thread, and your reading this very message are as an infinite series of chance events today alone, let alone the past 6 months.
6 months ago , did you plan and design to be her at this very moment, reading and responding to this post?.
I am guessing the answer is no.

Evolution is in everything, including your feelings, your values, your imaginations and your thoughts.
I am sure you have heard it before that "Change is the only constant in the universe".

The change referred to here is Evolution.
It is the only constant in the universe.

Emusan:

I know if you are being asked, what is evolution? You won't place it on chance which many atheist on this forum have totally denied.

I always laugh when evolutionist present pre-existing matters as real.

They claim random mutations and natural selection are behind all what we could observe as living things today whereas origin of life itself is unknown.

I put it to any atheist to answer, HOW LIFE BEGIN IN the UNIVERSE, is it on Land, sea e.t.c?

druid06:

What if at the last day religion was right and science was wrong after all the centuries of mathematic and scientific evaluations?

plaetton:

We don't know and we definitely not afraid or ashamed to say so. There is a relentless and ongoing quest to know more and more each day.
For all we know, biological life could have sprung in way we do not yet understand, some 50 billion years ago in far away galaxy 50 billion light years from our milky way galaxy.
So what?
Therefore the silly fables of stone age dwellers are better for you?
Why are you in mortal fear of being wrong?
Are you a hostage to something, perhaps a belief system?

Mr Troll: yo man, what I think doesn't matter. Give me proof, not theories of what they were used for. You're beginning to sound like there are ants in your pants answer me man!!!


nice one there. Trying to introduce a red herring. You know, bringing gravity into this will do you no good. Nobodys talking about the theory of gravity here because the word 'theory' as used in 'the theory of gravity' is very different from when its used in 'the theory of evolution' so Mr wiegraf I jump your red herring pass.

Mr Troll:
so basically we are back to evolution of the nonsense abi? Because man, you don't know for sure! Just like the theists too, except its god who did theirs

Mr Troll:
sight problems I see. I said prove WHY the universe is gargantuan. Kapisce?

Mr Troll:
Mr wiegraf, did you actually write this? In real time 2013?

Ok, lemme not go off the handle now. Do you mean, undirected random evolution from the big bang up till man is FACT?