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Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 3:03pm On Jul 04, 2013 |
REPS NEWS: Reps Begin Deliberations of 1999 Constitution Review Source 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 3:05pm On Jul 04, 2013 |
Another view Constitution Amendment: Presidents, Governors To Lose Immunity Source 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by babslamin: 3:21pm On Jul 04, 2013 |
Welcome development, this immunity which specifically covers prosecution for political reasons. At least it might motivate the executhieves to work and distance their illiterates.. parading themselves as First Ladies and Philanthropists; as they give peanut handouts from LOOTED FUNDS. If we can't find any achievement in this new development I pray let the egyptian revolution spirit come to 9ja soonest. 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 11:18pm On Jul 04, 2013 |
babslamin: Welcome development, this immunity which specifically covers prosecution for political reasons. At least it might motivate the executhieves to work and distance their illiterates.. parading themselves as First Ladies and Philanthropists; as they give peanut handouts from LOOTED FUNDS. If we can't find any achievement in this new development I pray let the egyptian revolution spirit come to 9ja soonest. I sense that NLers are vigorously going to debate these proposed changes over the coming weeks. They signal quite a radical departure in some areas and would certainly alter the calculus of political power to an appreciable degree. It of course remains to be seen whether or not the recommendations resulting from a similar exercise in the upper house would be harmonised with this one, especially in light of yesterday's pandemonium which compelled a postponement of further deliberations till next Tuesday. Ihedioha also disclosed that the committee threw out over 35 requests for new states, granted financial autonomy to local governments and approved independent candidacy in future elections. Also recommended by the committee was that a person who has lived in a community for a specific period of time should have the same rights as its citizens. Source |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by takedat(m): 11:53pm On Jul 04, 2013 |
Why should duly elected political office holders lose their immunity, therefore subjecting them to civil and criminal prosecution? Removal of immunity clause will generate a lot of distractions and would impermissibly interfere in the discharge of their duties. We cannot afford to have leaders whose energies are diverted by concerns with lawsuits thereby neglecting the effective functioning of government. We already have an impeachment clause in the constitution, Impeachment should precede prosecution. Whenever an elected official is found wanting most especially in the areas of financial impropriety or misuse/abuse of power, such person should be impeached by the House of Assembly or the National Assembly and then face prosecution. What we should rise against is legislative docility, they should be alive to their statutory duties of scrutinizing the activities of the executive, check the profligacy and recklessness of the executive arm, and not to serve as an appendage to it. Removal of immunity clause will leave room for agents of the pull-him-down syndicate to hamstring the operation of government apparatus. 3 Likes |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 12:25am On Jul 05, 2013 |
take dat: Why should duly elected political office holders lose their immunity, therefore subjecting them to civil and criminal prosecution? Removal of immunity clause will generate a lot of distractions and would impermissibly interfere in the discharge of their duties. We cannot afford to have leaders whose energies are diverted by concerns with lawsuits thereby neglecting the effective functioning of government. Having pondered over this issue for some time now, I have no qualms stating that my views are aligned with those who want the immunity clause expunged from our constitution. I understand the fears you cited but feel the attendant risk of interference from detractors and naysayers, which an elected official is likely to face, is a price worth paying. It is either we bite the bullet now, through the adoption of extra checking mechanisms, or our politicians to continue pushing the envelope of impunity across new frontiers, as they have done for the past 14 years. The later is a luxury we can ill afford, in my opinion. Here is a list of a few countries that cope just fine without an immunity clause - Source: Wikipedia 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by solomon111(m): 12:32am On Jul 05, 2013 |
The spotlight should be on governors. Those guys are bloody corrupt and the masses are not saying anything. Everybody is focused on abuja. 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 12:37am On Jul 05, 2013 |
solomon111: The spotlight should be on governors. The proposed amendments in sections 7, 162 and 308 address this concern. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by takedat(m): 1:00am On Jul 05, 2013 |
eGuerrilla:State governors will oppose and frustrate the entrenchment and full autonomy of local governments in the constitution. It is left for Nigerians to rise against the stranglehold of state governors on local government. Local government system should not be tied to the apron strings of the state government. Independent candidacy is a welcome development. In a country that has no decent history of internal party political democracy, where party leaders give away nomination certificate as though it were just a piece of paper. The independent option will stop politicians from running from one party to another, and also promote the culture of merit. I hope they pass these amendments this time around because this isn't their first time of proposing them, only to dump later. 2 Likes |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by takedat(m): 1:29am On Jul 05, 2013 |
eGuerrilla:Knowing Nigerian politicians, they will take advantage of the removal of immunity clause to push forward fictitious petitions and open a floodgate of litigation in order to destabilize the polity and harass elected office holders. Even though I agree that we need to curtail the culture of impunity by this category of people(president and state governors), The argument for removal of the clause is already trumped by the impeachment clause. As soon as they leave office, they answer for their errors of omission or commission. We need to understand that we have a corrupt justice system, if immunity clause is removed, corrupt public office holders will still use public funds to defend themselves(buy legal services), they can manipulate the process, delay their trials and even evade justice. Removal of immunity clause won't stop corruption! Can a Chief Justice or judges appointed by the president or governors convict their benefactor? Can the EFCC or police boss appointed by the president sincerely investigate and prosecute him? We need to strengthen our institutions before thinking of removing the clause! 2 Likes |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 1:48am On Jul 05, 2013 |
take dat: State governors will oppose and frustrate the entrenchment and full autonomy of local governments in the constitution. It is left for Nigerians to rise against the stranglehold of state governors on local government. Local government system should not be tied to the apron strings of the state government. I know exactly what you mean. There is clear blue water that separates both houses on the issue of term limits and the immunity clause. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 1:51am On Jul 05, 2013 |
take dat: Did you see the following proposed amendment? The Committee also reworked Section 150 “To give effect to the results of the Peoples’ Public Session which voted to separate the office of the Minister of Justice from that of the Attorney-General of the Federation, the Committee made amendments to reflect this and insulating an independent office of the Attorney-General of the Federation from partisanship and to be managed by a professional lawyer. This is also applicable at the State level”. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by takedat(m): 6:46am On Jul 05, 2013 |
eGuerrilla:Yes! His job will only be to prosecute! |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by kodewrita(m): 7:00am On Jul 05, 2013 |
If they dont approve anything else, I want them to approve just the following: 1) Independent candidature ( Kill off the Tinubu-style selection process). 2) Local Government Autonomy ( Kill off the Godfatherism issues with states remitting security votes to brigands and thieves). 3) Zero Immunity ( lets punish criminals even those in power) 4) 2 Four Year Terms ( Anything else will reintroduce the impunity we are trying to correct). My additional suggestions would have been: 1: One Legislative body instead of two AND 2: a midterm referendum to allow the country or the Sole legislative body to pass a vote of confidence on the govt and if failed, call for early elections. That way we can kick them out earlier. 7 Likes |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by takedat(m): 7:22am On Jul 05, 2013 |
kodewrita: 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by nonebutme: 8:55am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Immunity clause for governors and president must be removed, if not totally but modified(partial) |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by nonebutme: 9:51am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Immunity clause for president and governors must be removed, if not totally but modified(partial). |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by fitzmayowa: 10:14am On Jul 05, 2013 |
This would be interesting 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by bellaberry: 10:14am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Nice one. This will make our thieving leaders at least watch their backs. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Emade(m): 10:17am On Jul 05, 2013 |
it is long over due |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by yorke1: 10:18am On Jul 05, 2013 |
F0000ls. Just trying to play with the mind of Nigerians. We all know this is a lie |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 10:23am On Jul 05, 2013 |
it won't see the light of the day. Removal of immunity is the problem of Nigeria rather the problem of Nigeria is the Judiciary that frees criminals who stole billions of naira and charge them 700k. If we can fix our judiciary that they will start sentencing corrupt Government officials to prison/deaths then any other politicians will be afraid to steal public money because at the end he/she knows that he/she must end up doing a lifetime or even getting hanged but reverse is the case. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by KINGwax(m): 10:29am On Jul 05, 2013 |
gboss4sure: it won't see the light of the day. Removal of immunity is the problem of Nigeria rather the problem of Nigeria is the Judiciary that frees criminals who stole billions of naira and charge them 700k. If we can fix our judiciary that they will start sentencing corrupt Government officials to prison/deaths then any other politicians will be afraid to steal public money because at the end he/she knows that he/she must end up doing a lifetime or even getting hanged but reverse is the case.ogbeni, don't try to outsmart yourself. Immunty clause is quite an entity that is different from the judiciary system. Infact, it is this immunity cause that actually corrupts the system. I will tell u how: A president, or a govnr, who under the foolish constitution of being immune to the law, will give orders directly to the judges on seat to overturn certain judgements. Only a judge who can really dare, will oppose such entity. And biliv me, he will loose his job without d govt being indicted! And keeping ur job with some little cash will make most judges accept. With d clear knowledge that the entity is above the law! But if this clause is gone, any wayward president, or govnr cld be set up with the right evidences and sentenced. Even the activists knw it's futile fightin the govt. U can only get ur evidence against them, but u can't proceed a bit!! |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by gen2briz(m): 10:32am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Pls remember that online comment can land you in jail 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Lbrasi: 10:32am On Jul 05, 2013 |
A simple case of asking a thief to sentence himself... 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by nigflue: 10:33am On Jul 05, 2013 |
I believe giving the local government full autonomy will make the LGA to do more at the grassroot level. And these might reduce the number of ghost workers at the grassroot, with more development at that level. Let's hope politics will not play a role here. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by ProfSule(m): 10:39am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Thieves. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 10:39am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Time to hit back |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by ochukoccna: 10:41am On Jul 05, 2013 |
Is it only me? The 'junior' chamber of the legistlature is very visible, active and mature Though some scandal tainted ones like Herman Hembe and Farouk Lawan are there Non the less,kudos to Tambuwal and his men 1 Like |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by omenka(m): 10:52am On Jul 05, 2013 |
"As contained in the report, un-elected local government Chairmen would be barred from getting funding from the Nations treasury" Very comendable.. |
Re: Reps Recommends Removal Of Immunity Clause For President And Govs by Nobody: 10:52am On Jul 05, 2013 |
ochukoccna: Is it only me? The lower house is more alive to its oversight responsibilities, yes. |
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