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Re: Ishmael Did Not Live In Mecca by cleanvessel(m): 1:35pm On Jul 11, 2013
LagosShia:

He said "mount sinai in arabia".what else you read,only your eyes know.biblical mount sinai being in arabia shows arabia's spiritual importance.moreover our point is paran refers to arabia.bible scholars have said so.you can agree or disagree.


He's a very big liar.that doesn't mean he had no knowledge of geography.he is a liar in terms of his religious claims.

We can also pose your question to you in the other way: you believe Paul is truthful and was inspired.is he no longer?



Check galatians 4:2 and romans 8:17.were you once slaves?

The point is your don't tell who others are.I choose to be free in Islam.whatever fictitious idea or mental condition you have about "bondage",keep it to yourself.



You're beating around the bush.we are talking geography.paran is arabia,and mount sinai is in arabia (paran).we are only proving that Hajar (as) and Ismael (as) were once there.they stepped foot there.


Paran is arabia.mount sinai is in paran.there's nothing like "city" here".its an area and a mountain we are talking about.

You're obviously shaken.its great for a start.a good beginning for a transition to Islam.



Israelites crossed from Egypt to Mount Sinai in arabia.

It makes no sense they wandered between egypt and palestine for 40 years as christians are taught to imagine.it makes more sense they were in the desert of paran (arabia) for forty years,as it is wider.

The Old Testament is very clear on the fact that Paran where Ishmael settled was not Mecca. The New Testament is also very clear about the fact that Mount Senai in Arabia is the present Jerusalem.

Unfortunately, religious SENTIMENTS would not allow you to see the truth. But one thing is certain, the children of Hagar are in BONDAGE [/b]up till now. The only thing that is capable of setting them free is the [b]TRUTH. the TRUTH [/b]is Jesus.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the [b]way
, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by[b] me. [/b]

That was a statement by Jesus who your quran says is faultless (Quran 19:19). No matter your religious sentiment, the truth remains nobody can get to God without Jesus. He is in-charge of salvation of mankind and that why even your quran calls Him the Messiah

[Quran 5:72] They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) [/b]said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

Messiah means 'Saviour' Deliverer, Anointed One. This shows Jesus is the only One who has the responsibility of saving mankind.

But look at this again:

[Quran 5:69] Lo! those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Sabaeans, and [b]Christians
- Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

5:72 says those who ascribe partners unto allah he has forbidden Paradise.

5:69 says Christians (the people whose ascribe partners to allah) are longer forbidden to enter Paradise. Don't you see there is a spiritual trick being played.

I pray God will open your spiritual eyes.

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Re: Ishmael Did Not Live In Mecca by mustang44: 4:51pm On Aug 17, 2013
NO SECT OF PEOPLE SHOULD REWRITE HISTORY TO SUIT THEM! PRAN IS NOT IN MECCA AND ABRAHAM, ISHMEAL, OR HAGAR DID NOT GO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO MECCA.

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