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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rugged7(m): 4:43pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Yea, seems so. I'm not so sure the people in defence headquarters have thought this one through. Shouldn't they start with a Naval blockade 1st while they muster forces. 2 weeks crash course on invading a country might not be sufficient for a stretched NA Most importantly, how do u raise funds in this recession? The cheapest way probably would be to pay Jammeh's immediate bodyguards or army chief to neutralize him and hand over to civilians. That will save everyone all this angst tdayof: |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nok234: 4:47pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
tdayof:this what Im talking ABOUT |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 4:58pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
rugged7: Recession. There's money out there bro probably not for the masses but when the government needs money, they'll source it out. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 5:14pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Happy new year to everybody The recent MOU between the NAF and the US company is a step in the right direction, The R&  means the NAF is finally getting serious about manufacturing their own Bird something the NA, and NN have done, at some point the NAF has to develop their own :1. Simulator depending on the type of aircraft to be built 2. Wind Tunnel. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 5:26pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by BlackBaron: 5:37pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Patchesagain:You should cry then. 1 Like |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 5:56pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
BlackBaron: interesting, can u provide more info to back it up if not here then in the technical thread thanks AFAIK Super Mushshak is deep upgrade of SAAB MFI-17 Supporter after TOT and IPR transfer by the Swedish. JF 17 china / pakistan now is there a third aircraft i/we r not aware of ? 2 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by M14A1: 6:21pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
tdayof:Good, while he's at it he should stop by the bat cave and recruit the entire justice league, no one can save you when West Africa comes knocking. 2 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 6:28pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
M14A1:lmao 1 Like |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:49pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Interesting... This plane associated with the CIA's rendition programme landed at Cape Town for 90 minutes, overnight at Lanseria, then 2 hours in Dakar, Senegal. FAA registry lists it as operated by L-3 Capital LLC on behalf of the US DoD. Broadcast an incorrect ModeS identity into Cape Town - Piper J3C-65 callsign N6092H; J3 Cub out of Lanseria to Dakar; then N610G out of Dakar. Curiouser and curiouser. PIC 1: Coming in to land at Cape Town International; PIC 2-4: At Lanseria. 2 Likes
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:58pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
It's fire season down in the Cape.  1 Like
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 7:00pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
rugged7: Are you serious 2000 men, and we're wasting time. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Rugged7, M14A1, Tdayof, Odunayaw and all the war mongers in this thread not duly mentioned, I completely disagree with a military intervention in Gambia. -First, what gives Nigeria, Senegal or ECOWAS the legal intervention to seek military action in Gambia. - Institutions in Gambia need to be allowed to take it's full course in Gambia. I don't agree with Jammeh's refusal to leave Power, however i don't support military intervention is a sovereign country all in the name of democracy. Recent history has shown invasions of sovereign countries all in support of democracy don't work. It has worked in Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Etc etc. So what proof is there that it would work in Gambia? Let us not try to gag Gambia because it's a small country, ECOWAS has no right whatsoever in the internal affairs of Gambia. There are serious allegations of foreign interference in Gambia, let these claims be investigated and substantiated first. This is a domestic issue, neither Nigerians, nor Senegalese have the right to interfere in Gambia's domestic issues. Rather ECOWAS should Support the institutions in gambia to make a change in government happen. Support for the police, military, judiciary to take action. 1 Like |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:49pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
I want a war for 3 reasons. 1. There's money to be made. 2. When you have dictators like Jammeh, Force is all they acknowledge. 3. This thread will be filled with pictures of all those fancy Machinery in action. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jteku(m): 7:56pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Henry240: If such is always allowed in small countries we will continue to see more and more, so let Gambia be an example. SIMPLE. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:56pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Nigerian army 1 Like
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 7:56pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Henry lol.. I never called for war in Gambia. As we can see, ECOWAS insists on diplomatic solution and the previous military intervention we've been hearing about was to be headed by Senegal. I can't refer to premium times news about we deploying military to Gambia as a tangible source. On my own, Gambia is the last thing on my mind not to talk of war. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by TrueHeart365(m): 7:58pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Brightwood: 1 Like
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| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:03pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
NIGERIAN AIR FORCE DESTROYS ILLEGAL OIL STORAGE FACILITY IN RIVERS STATE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWVEzAvJZcQ |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by TrueHeart365(m): 8:08pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Henry240: you forgot it worked in ivory coast and obasanjo's threat of military action to sou tome ended a coup. Gambia is too small to cause the kind of problem you're talking about. plus since it's senegal's backyard (if they'll permit it), they'll put all they have to prevent a prolonged conflict. they have a decent military with naval and land border blockade jahme will come seeking for asylum if he sees the seriousness. do you seriously think Gambia has independent institutions? abeg forget diolomacy for this one o  . the guy is trying to portray ECOWAS as weak so not acting will prove his point. we can't have that. some times force is the only option you have. 1 Like |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:22pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
TrueHeart365: Over a quarter of a million people died in Ivory Coast, with 1.2 million people displaced. The human cost in the Ivory Coast was, still is enormous. Let Gambian institutions with the assistance of ECOWAS investigate the allegations made and decide the next course of action. Force isn't the only option. There is always Nigeria, portraying ECOWAS as weak doesn't come into play. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:22pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Henry240: The Constitutive Act of the AU states that undemocratic seizure of power will not be tolerated, and regional bodies are empowered to take action, both diplomatic and otherwise. That's the legal justification. Institutions in Gambia need to be allowed to take it's full course in Gambia. You are aware that the Electoral Commission in Gambia has been taken over by the military, right? And that Gambia's constitution sets out procedure for aggrieved parties to contest electoral outcomes, which Jammeh has ignored? Don't be naive, what institutions in a dictatorship? So what proof is there that it would work in Gambia? Worked just fine in Liberia when Nigeria and SA forced Charles Taylor out. Or Sao Tome e Principe when Nigeria and Angola reversed a coup. Or Ivory Coast when Gbagbo also tried to sit tight after losing. Let us not try to gag Gambia because it's a small country, ECOWAS has no right whatsoever in the internal affairs of Gambia. There are serious allegations of foreign interference in Gambia, let these claims be investigated and substantiated first. Absolute bunkum. Molly-coddling dictators and their conspiracies never ends well. 10 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 8:25pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
rugged7:just hope the jf17 will b delivered b4 the deployment. will also like to see the Senegalese A29 in action. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:27pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
frumentius: Impressiv Justification but us simpletons simply want Gambia to be made an example of as well as War pictures. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:30pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Brightwood: How old are you?  5 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:32pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
frumentius: I'm 69...Obviously there are better reasons I could list but you have covered the summary so what's the point of me giving my reasons of why a war is the best solution in the wrong thread.  |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 8:36pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Gambia is part of ECOWAS as well as the AU LEGAL GROUNDS FOR DIPLOMATIC AND MILITARY PROTOCOL 1) There was a democratic election 2) The ruling President lost, in his capacity as President he initially/ legally accepted the LEGAL outcome of the vote by the Gambian people 3) He recanted not through the Legal process but by threatening all the Legal Institutrions around him 4) The supreme court in Gambia is made up of Nigerian Judges and will not sit in Gambia anytime soon due to Serious Security reasons. 5)if he ( JAMMEH) does not agree to a diplomatic solution whereby he steps down and goes into exile in Nigeria, then as one door closes...... another one opens up. Mr HENRY ( sniff) ( sniff) a little perturbed was not on the list of war mongers.3 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:36pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
frumentius: Can you provide us the charter the specifically spells out the use of military force. There is no legal backing for military force I have seen. Charles Taylor was forced out because of diplomatic pressure not military action. Same in Sao Tome. In Ivory Coast, It was a civil war, the French intervened when they were attacked. Nigeria provided diplomatic pressure. UN forces who were already stationed in the country did not directly participate. Jammeh filed a petition in court. Completely dismissing the allegations made by Jammeh isn't a pancea for peace. Foreign powers have well documented incidences of meddling in a country's internal affairs. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:38pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Brightwood: You can go back to your play station because there's not going to be a war. Jammeh and his gang - not Gambia - are the target here, and all they know is oppressing the civilian population of Gambia. 2 Likes |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:41pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
The attention of the Nigerian Army has been drawn to a publication by Premium Times online news medium titled "EXCLUSIVE: Nigeria raises troops for Gambia, ready to remove Yahya Jammeh". This is not true. Consequently, Nigerian Army wishes to disassociate itself from such false information that exists only in the figment of the imagination of the medium. There was no time or place Nigerian Army disclosed such information to the medium. If there is any, we challenge them to name the officer or soldier that gave them such information and when. For the avoidance of doubt, Nigerian Army is not planning to attack any country. It should be noted that such reckless and unprofessional conduct is not expected of any reputable and responsible news medium as it is inimical to national security. The publication apart from being false in its entirety, it is unethical and capable of endangering the lives of Nigerians in diaspora. The medium is please requested to always clarify such matters affecting national security and diplomatic issues that may endanger the safety and security of Nigerians abroad to avoid such misleading and embarrassing publication. You are please requested to disseminate this information to the public through your medium. Thank you for your kind cooperation. Brigadier General Sani Kukasheka Usman Director Army Public Relations Source: http://www.ajayiwrites.com/2017/01/fg-not-sending-troops-to-gambia-nigeria.html I am glad the Nigerian army sort of agrees with me. There would be no Nigerian military intervention in Gambia. Diplomacy is the only way to solve this Gambia impasse. |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 8:41pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
ECOMOG Since the political crisis in The Gambia stated last December with President Yahya Jammeh rejecting the result of the presidential election citing “irregularities”, there have been many suggestions as to how best to handle the issue. Some have called for more diplomatic solutions basing their arguments on the fact that the matter is purely an internal affair; while others insist that from Jammeh and some other African leaders’ antecedents; only a military solution can put an end to his 22-year stay in power at Banjul. The matter took another dimension with a Gambian army general in his New Year message saying the President has “full military backing”. How did we get here? Can it get worse? Are we progressing or retrogressing? To understand the present situation in The Gambia, we will need to do a little bit of historicity. Things like these on African soil are not new. In the 1960s and 1970s, post-colonial African states were beginning to take characters of their own. They have inherited state institutions from the colonial master which they do not understand. Some, like Congo and Nigeria, soon degenerated into bloody civil wars. Others like Tangayinka and Zanzibar were merging to form modern-day Tanzania while at the same time East African Federation (EAF) and the Central African Federation (CAF) were been dissolved by their respective leaders. It was also at these period that the military in the post-colonial states became bold enough to take over political power from the erstwhile nationalist leaders who that turned violent in their bid to maintain themselves in power. In Lesotho, in 1970, for instance, when early results indicated that the Prime Minister, Chief Leabua Jonathan, and his party, the Bathoso National Party (BNP) might lose to its rival, Bathosoland Congress Party (BCP), he voided the results citing “irregularities”. After nullifying the election he declared a state of emergency, suspended the constitution, dissolved the parliament and assumed absolute power in the tiny nation surrounded by apartheid South Africa. To cut short the long story, things became so difficult as a result of political turbulence, from both internal and external sources till a military takeover in the country in 1986. That we can still have an experience like this after first happening over forty years ago shows the level of progress we are making. This appears to be the dilemma in The Gambia today! In the Lesotho’s 1970 case, there were no external military actions taken partly because of threats from the apartheid regime in Pretoria who had earlier threatened to take direct control of the small nation due to its ties with Nelson Mandela-led African National Congress (ANC). But unlike Lesotho’s case, the sub-regional bloc, the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) through its military arm, ECOMOG, has indicated interest at a possible military action against Jammeh. There are those who think this action will be counter-productive citing “unnecessary loss of innocent lives.” Those who hold this line of thinking forget the fact that Jammeh himself, by rejecting the outcome of an election, is an existential threat to democracy and democratization in Africa. If, as they proposed, that there should be a new election as a way of placating Jammeh’s faction, they will be given him too much importance. He will legitimize his illegitimate regime by an additional four years at least since he will be given the right to choose the election he will lose! Let us even accept, without conceding, that there should be a new election as a way of ending the crisis. Let us ask the following questions: What guarantee do we have that Jammeh and his supporters will allow the people to express their will this time going by the fact that the country’s electoral commission boss had fled the country? Had Jammeh won the election in December, will he have admitted there were “irregularities” in the first instance? What are the assurances we will be having that the outgoing president will accept defeat the second time if he loses the election abysmally? Also, giving Jammeh’s lust for power, was anyone expecting him to step down after been defeated in an election especially with the understanding that he came into power through a military coup? The cation of Jammeh, those who are against ECOMOG deployment to Banjul also signifies how many years back Africa will go in terms of democratic development. When you disregard the wishes of the people who voted peacefully to change their leaders, then you became really an existential threat to be dealt with using every (including any) mean to wade you off. Perhaps, Jammeh and his supporters are well aware of the weakening and politicization of bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC) to prosecute warlords like the outgoing president. They may delude themselves with the fact that South Africa, Russia and Burundi have pulled out of ICC as a sign that the body is weak in morale to prosecute him. But let us remind Jammeh and his supporters that it took French intervention in 2012 to remove Laurent Gbagbo who chose to sit tight after losing an election in Ivory Coast. It will take ECOMOG and a key ally, Senegal, to root out Jammeh and whatever is left of him in the coming months. The ECOMOG option appears to be the only solution now to protect the sacred decision of the Gambian people. Nothing will be too much to sacrifice. No burden will be too much to bear. No friend will be too much to make. No enemy will be too important to oppose in our bid to save ourselves of embarrassments caused on Africans by the likes of persons like Yoweri Museveni, Robert Mugabe, Paul Biya and now Jammeh! 1 Like |
| Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 8:42pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Henry240: Henry, mate, are you playing devil's advocate? It's a woeful attempt. |
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