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| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 4:09pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Goshen360:I have replied mr.fault finder.Thanks for the witch hunt.  |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Goshen360(m): 4:41pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Bidam: I have replied mr.fault finder.Thanks for the witch hunt.  Thou shall not surfer a WITCH to live...according to the law. You going to stone me to death? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 5:14pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Goshen360:Are you not a product of Offa Poly? Why won't you interpret it this way,dopemu  |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Joagbaje(m): 5:31pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Image123: It was in the bible also that paul didn't marry , and he Recomended wine for Timothy , does that make it a christian doctrine ? . . You made good point but It was customary for married women to be covered . Just like the Alhaji wives called "eleha" in the Muslim world . But the passage in question was dealing with customary issue . A married woman covers her head on public as a custom . It doesn't apply to girls . 1 Corinthians 11:7 . . but the woman is the glory of the man. 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Goshen360(m): 5:53pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Bidam: Are you not a product of Offa Poly? Why won't you interpret it this way,dopemu After Offa, you forgot the next one? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by LordReed(m): 9:43pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Bidam: There is no where in scriptures where you can find a reference in the NT? You must be joking.Did you erase 1 Tim. 3:15 from your bible? You do the very thing you accuse me of. Did I say that that is what you said? I replied some else and you came back at me to which I tried to clarify what I meant. If you had been hasty to answer you would know Paul was not referring to a brick and mortar building. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Pvictor10(m): 10:08pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Check the scriptures where Paul mentioned this, he was referring to married woman earlier. It doesn't apply to unmarried. U free to uncover your head in church if u r not married, but if you are married, and do that, u dishonour your husband. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 10:29pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Lord_Reed:can you clarify this? Bidam: No one is disputing that a believers body is not the temple of the Holy Spirit,but are we to discard glaring scriptural evidences concerning gathering of believers,the household of God and churches? In response to this? Lord_Reed:And my later explanations? Bidam: There is no where in scriptures where you can find a reference in the NT? You must be joking.Did you erase 1 Tim. 3:15 from your bible?Who is fooling who?  |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 10:44pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Goshen360:Oh! na dat zoo wey dem cage you dey deceive you abi?You berra relocate to the jungle called Africa..There is a breath of fresh air here |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Image123(m): 11:18pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Pvictor10: Check the scriptures where Paul mentioned this, he was referring to married woman earlier. It doesn't apply to unmarried. U free to uncover your head in church if u r not married, but if you are married, and do that, u dishonour your husband.So, you are saying that married women should cover their heads when they pray and prophesy? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Image123(m): 11:39pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
Joagbaje:Is it unchristian teaching? It is christian teaching. 1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Marriage is honourable in all, however there is nothing wrong if one chooses to be unmarried. This what the Bible teaches. Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. Also it is okay to recommend something that will help one's health. This is good christian teaching. The Bible encourages using medicine when we are sick. 1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. Pro 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones. All scripture is profitable. You made good point but It was customary for married women to be covered . Just like the Alhaji wives called "eleha" in the Muslim world . But the passage in question was dealing with customary issue . A married woman covers her head on public as a custom . It doesn't apply to girls . 1 Corinthians 11:7 . . but the woman is the glory of the man. [/quote] i'm not making points, i'm telling you what is in the Bible. It is not my duty to enforce it to be done, or condemn anyone for not doing it. But we are having a discussion, and what i have said is what is in the Bible. i do not know where you are getting what you are saying. The passage is quite clear, and this is not a Arab city. It is a greek city. The passage talks about EVERY man, and about EVERY woman. It didn't limit it to any arabian culture or custom. It talked about angels when he was giving this teaching. This shows that this is something that is not just local. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Image123(m): 11:53pm On Aug 24, 2013 |
shdemidemi: If today's church has issues, according to you. It follows that they should learn from the epistles that were written to churches that had issues. All the epistles are relevant to us, whether Thess. or Cor. or Tim. i do not understand on what authority you are telling us to dismiss the two books of Corinthians. The letter to Timothy is very important to us because Paul already envisaged the possibility of his demise and martyrdom. He was passing the mantle to a son he trusted on how everything concerning the faith and the church should be conducted. This book and other doctrinal books is very important for the church and Paul knew this as well hence he instructed Timothy in 2 Timothy to commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.All scripture is inspired and very important. The letter to Timothy does not erase the truths shared in Corinthians. Paul's wish was that the epistles be shared and read by all believers, though it was primarily written and addressed to a particular location. 1Co 1:2 Un[b]to the church of God which is at Corinth[/b], to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: The epistle, according to this verse is written to; - The church in Corinth, - To them that are sanctified, - To all that in every place call upon Jesus. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by JesusisLord85: 12:04am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Image123: He means no harm really. He believes he is dividing truth by asking us to disregard 80% of the bible, and tellin gus that Paul was in the know, while the original 12 were in error. Also according to demi, Jesus, a Jew, came to tear down Judaism as prescribed by God, and established a new religion for the gentiles, at the exclusion of the Jews, the original children of promise...Tantamount to adultery. All hilarious really |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Ken4Christ: 12:14am On Aug 25, 2013 |
This excerpt from my book - The Woman Question will enlighten you all on this subject thoroughly. “But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his covered dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head, for that is even as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn, but if it be a shame for the woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God, but the woman is the glory of the man” (1 Cor. 11:3-7). The entire passage that deals with the issue of head covering spans from verse 3 to verse 16 of chapter 11 of 1 Corinthian. For the purpose of step wise analysis, we will pause at verse 7 in the interim before we explore the remaining verses. First, Apostle Paul wasn’t addressing every woman here. He says in verse 3 that the head of EVERYMAN is Christ, and the head of THE WOMAN is THE MAN. Notice he didn’t say the head of every woman is the man but he said that the head of THE WOMAN is THE MAN. If he was referring to every woman on this subject, then we will be forced to reach an erroneous conclusion that every woman is subject to every man. But this assertion is inconsistent with the scripture. The man is not the head of every woman. A man can only be the head of his wife. So, what Paul is saying is that the head of the woman is her husband. Verse 3 will be better understood when we look at its rendering in the New Living Translation; “But there is one thing I want you to know. A man is responsible to Christ, a woman is responsible to her husband, and Christ is responsible to God” So, the issue of head covering has nothing to do with unmarried women or single sisters in the Lord. Paul is dealing exclusively with the marriage institution. Ironically, a lot of Christian Women, even kids and teenage girls have hitherto been subjected to this practice. Well, some might argue that a single lady, though not married should still be covered as a sign of submission to the authority of the father. Paul was not talking about a father-daughter relationship, he was addressing a husband-wife relationship and there is a marked difference between both. A father can never take the place of a husband. The Bible is very clear on how children should relate with their parents or fathers. “Children obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honour thy father and thy mother, which is the first commandment with promise, that it might be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on earth” (Eph. 6:1-3). He didn’t say daughters should cover their head as a sign of obedience to their fathers. We shouldn’t attempt to say what the scripture didn’t say. If Paul was addressing a husband-wife relationship, no one has a right to give it a different meaning. If you are not married, and you have been adhering to this custom, you are an intruder. You need to repent and get out fast unless you have other personal reason for covering your head. If you err on this issue, you are most likely to err on other marriage related instructions. The Bible warned that we shouldn’t add or subtract from the contents of the book of Revelation. If this is God’s desire for this book, it should be the same for every other book. To buttress my point, Paul made a similar remark in Gal. 1:9, “...if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Don’t let anyone subject you to doctrines that are unscriptural. The marriage institution is a sacred one and Paul is trying to enforce the order God demands in this relationship. The authority of the husband must be recognized and preserved. The veil is a sign of submission to the authority of the husband. ‘The insubordination of an uncovered woman (signifying the refusal to recognize the authority of the husband) would offend Angels who participate and observe the conduct of believers during church gatherings.’ (1 Cor. 11:10). – Mathew Henry’s comment. However, in verse 15, Paul gave an exemption clause; “But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her for her hair is given her for a covering.” In this clause, Paul didn’t compromise the issue of covering but only remarked that the long hair provided by nature serves as a good alternative to covering. This clause however has a setback; how long should the hair be before it can be regarded as a good alternative to covering? This obviously is a difficult question to answer. Paul knowing the eventual contention that this issue could generate says in verse 16, that if such regulations causes division and strife, they are null and void - no set law or custom governing such in the churches of God. The following points reveal the futility of trying to make this issue a doctrine binding on the churches. 1. There is no other reference in the Bible that directly or indirectly addresses this subject. For anything to be a doctrine, it must have at least two or more references (Matt 18:16). Apostle Paul wrote 13 books or letters to the churches and if this subject was that important, he would have redressed it in at least one of his other letters. The book of First Corinthians was written about AD 56, well ahead of some of his other books like Philippians (AD 61), Colossians (AD 61) and 1 Timothy (AD 64). He never gave any of such rules to any of these churches. Cardinal doctrines are often repeated in most books of the Bible. For instance, the doctrine of abstinence from fleshly and social vices such as fornication, theft etc, are re-echoed in most of his books to stress its importance. 2. The magnitude of the offence so to say, does not warrant the attention given to the subject. The Bible never said a woman who prays to God with her head uncovered has sinned against God. It rather says that she dishonours her husband. What if the husband does not feel dishonoured, whose business is it? The word dishonour sterns from the fact that a woman who appeared uncovered in public was considered immoral. Uncovered head symbolizes a loose or immoral condition in their days. Thus, verses 5 and 6 emphasize the disgrace she is apt to cause her husband if she doesn’t put a veil on her head during public worship. This was the custom in the city of Corinth. But the Jews had a different custom before the occasion of this writing; harlots then were known for their covered heads. Judah thought Tarmar, her daughter in law to be a harlot because of the veil she put on her face and consequently went into her; “And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?” (Genesis 38:14-16 ). Custom changes from year to year and is different from one community to another. It is therefore unfair to impose a particular culture binding on the universal church. 3. What most adherents of this doctrine practice is HAIR COVERING rather than HEAD COVERING that the Bible talks about in the passage we have been making reference to. There is nowhere in the passage Paul mentioned hair covering. Your hair is just part of your head, so if you tie a scarf round your hair, you only just covered your hair and not your head. Head covering must employ the use of a veil over your face as it is done in most part of the Middle East. If Women are to be judged by this doctrine, virtually everyone in this part of the world would be found wanting. In addition to this points just enumerated above, it’s imperative to know that what guarantees answer to prayers offered by godly women is faith and not the covering of your head. There are countless testimonies of women who received answer to prayer that never subjected themselves to this doctrine. Besides, women that cover their head are not necessarily more submissive than those who don’t. You can cover your head to fulfill all righteousness and still fight your husband at home. Some would even do it on the streets with their head covered. Submissiveness is a thing of the heart. ”But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price” (1 Pet. 3:4). If however, you want to adhere to this practice, be sure first, that you are married. Second, you cover not just your hair but your head. Third, you have to cover your head whenever you in a gathering of at least two or more people praying. If God is to judge all married women especially in this part of the world on this issue of head covering, virtually everyone will be found guilty because those who claim to actually adhere to it are not in the strict term covering their head but their hairs. No one has a right to make a doctrine out of this issue for it does not meet the basic requirement as earlier stated. The church should focus more on addressing the gross moral misconducts that has crept into the church in this last decade. If you want the complete book which addresses other similar question such as make ups, putting on of jewelry, trousers etc, you can send your mail to my mail box - globalwordimpact@gmail.com or kenmacaulay@ymail.com. You can also visit my facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/globalwordimpactonlinestore?ref=hl. 6 Likes |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by shdemidemi(m): 1:05am On Aug 25, 2013 |
^^ thank you |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by dagr8(m): 3:27am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Ken4Christ: 1 Like |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by LordReed(m): 6:44am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Bidam: can you clarify this? Was the 1 Tim 3:15 reference to house of God a brick and mortar building or not? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 7:14am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Lord_Reed:What i am trying to point out to you is that the church is more than a mere fellowship or just gathering of believers.It is structured and there is ORDER The word "church" comes from the Middle English "chiriche" which is a derivative of the Greek word kyriakos which means "the Lord's house." In the scriptures, the word "church" is translated from the original Greek ekklesia which appears 73 times in the New Testament, and 100 times in the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament for the Hebrew word qahal. Ekklesia literally means "to be called out" and it is used purposefully instead of the Greek synagogue to distinguish its purpose beyond a simple gathering or assembly. In other words, the church (or ekklesia) is the community of people called out by God. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles-2009/Andrews-Church-In-The-Scriptures.php 1 Like |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by LordReed(m): 10:44am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Bidam: What i am trying to point out to you is that the church is more than a mere fellowship or just gathering of believers.It is structured and there is ORDER Granted and accepted. Now answer the question was it a brick and mortar building 1 Tim.3:15 was referring to? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by alphaconde(m): 11:13am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Its a since of disobedience. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Odunharry(m): 11:20am On Aug 25, 2013 |
God bless u op..im in church ryt nw and i am thinking of opening a thread like this.... There are many people(females) in the church i am ryt nw who left their hairs open...u will see different kind of wigs,hairs and all that... I still nid more enlightenment...tanx.. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 11:20am On Aug 25, 2013 |
. 3 Likes |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by dvista(m): 11:25am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Its vry impt as it shows a mark of respect for d head which is d man, jst as men dnt wear cap in church as a sign or respect to his maker |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Nobody: 11:35am On Aug 25, 2013 |
does it really matter? |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Ejay(f): 11:35am On Aug 25, 2013 |
Not basing my own opinion on biblical terms, but I support the motion that ladies should cover their hair in church, the mode of dressing alone is a big distraction let alone leaving the hair uncovered. U know we ladies love to make wonderful beautiful, weird and of course some find fun in making really ugly and terrible hair stlyes that could give a child a terrible convulsion. Imagine sitting near a lady in church, that has this heavy, very full and plenty weavon on her head, and an industrial fan is place right beside u, I assure u all throughout the service u would wish u never sat near her because her hair would slap across ur face each time the fan blows in ur direction. 1 Like |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by chucky234(m): 11:44am On Aug 25, 2013 |
EatmyShorts: It's necessary for both Women and Men to cover their Hair.Any man who covers his head in the presence of God has disgraced God. Read the book of Corinthians |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Redhot111(m): 11:47am On Aug 25, 2013 |
majalisa: do u realised dere is a clear distinction btw d old Testament(law) and the new Testament(grace)?In d light of dat distinction, compulsory covering of hair should even apply to d old testament(law) era an nt d era of grace. Pls look 4 sumtin else to say |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Man90(m): 12:20pm On Aug 25, 2013 |
Rhetoric question....mtcheeew |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by Iruolycious(f): 12:23pm On Aug 25, 2013 |
1 Corin. 11: 3-14 said a woman ought to cover her head and that a woman who cut her hair is same as a woman who doesn't cover her head. Now, how many churches preaches that it is a sin 4 a woman to cut her hair? However, Paul put an end to the arguement in verse 15 wen he said, "Long hair is however a beautiful covering for a woman's head". End all these unnessary arguements plz. |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by lovingD(m): 12:39pm On Aug 25, 2013 |
The word of God is the same yesterday,today and forever i dont care WTF ur pastor may say |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by BibiBasy(f): 12:41pm On Aug 25, 2013 |
Let us understand what d bible is talking about, HEAD COVERING or HAIR COVERING. The hair is the woman's glory, and it is given to her for a covering of her head. Churches have their doctrines, which is COVER UR HAIR, that is, after ur HEAD has been coverd by ur HAIR. if d church says cover ur hair/head while in d church, i dnt tink dat shud cause a rift. The time u spend "uncovering" ur hair to work, sch, etc is more dan the lil time u spend in church covering ur hair. SHEKINAH! |
| Re: Is Going To Church Without Covering Your Hair A Sin? by melbmab(f): 12:46pm On Aug 25, 2013 |
Babiloko: 1st corinthians 11 vs 5 n 6.....evrytin u nid 2 no about wat GOD say's bout dis issue is der. One thing about God is that He can't change for anyman. The bible didn't even hide it,it says cover your hair. All we need do is read it and follow instructions,that's all. Let's not allow anybody decieve us. Read that part of the bible and c for urself. Tnx |
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