QEFRAN6:

Hahahahahaha!wow see display of ignorance in high order...pls better park well cos a doctor knws nothg(shikum) about medical laboratory...if they do,they won't be sending specimen for urgent culture and expect the result immediately after few minutes,they won't be requesting for antibiotics sensitivity were there was no growth after culturing a sample (simply because they belif the result of every sample they sent to the lab for culture should have antibiotic sensitivity were they can mak prescriptions)...and many more,pls let me not expose u guys here...Learn to talk on were u hav ideas abt and stop encroaching at other teritories cos ul be LOST.

I wanted to ignore ur post but I realised that u need serious help. The paucity of knowledge u exhibited in ur post is nothing to write home about. Try to broaden ur mind to avoid shame that comes with myopic,bitter and rigid mind.

I want u to know that there's nothing special about carrying out simple lab tests which can b done by Autoanalyser. In resourse-poor areas where there's shortage of health workers, auxiliary nurses are thought to perform those tests with no hassles and they performe the job as efficient as d lab scientists/ technicians.

To make it simple, what tests do u do that make u people to b clamouring for equal pay with doctors? PCV, blood grp, m/c/s, urinalysis, fbc, widal,FBS,RVS, get blood donor, and to an extent hormonal assay,RFT,LFT,TFT. All d mentioned tests are all done by machines. Ur duty is to COLLECT samples and put them in the machines to analyse them. There's nothing like chemical titrations u do to get results except blood grouping n xmatching, widal tests and few others. Advanced tests are done by consultant pathologist (e.g bone marrow aspirations, lumbar puncture, amniocentesis, chorionic villi sampling, histology and many more). U are not allowed to carry out these tests done by doctors. So why are u bragging? Respect others so that u will b respected.

0key:

I wanted to ignore ur post but I realised that u need serious help. The paucity of knowledge u exhibited in ur post is nothing to write home about. Try to broaden ur mind to avoid shame that comes with myopic,bitter and rigid mind.

I want u to know that there's nothing special about carrying out simple lab tests which can b done by Autoanalyser. In resourse-poor areas where there's shortage of health workers, auxiliary nurses are thought to perform those tests with no hassles and they performe the job as efficient as d lab scientists/ technicians.

To make it simple, what tests do u do that make u people to b clamouring for equal pay with doctors? PCV, blood grp, m/c/s, urinalysis, fbc, widal,FBS,RVS, get blood donor, and to an extent hormonal assay,RFT,LFT,TFT. All d mentioned tests are all done by machines. Ur duty is to COLLECT samples and put them in the machines to analyse them. There's nothing like chemical titrations u do to get results except blood grouping n xmatching, widal tests and few others. Advanced tests are done by consultant pathologist (e.g bone marrow aspirations, lumbar puncture, amniocentesis, chorionic villi sampling, histology and many more). U are not allowed to carry out these tests done by doctors. So why are u bragging? Respect others so that u will b respected.

You just displayed your gross idiocy and imbecility. Who the hell employed you as a so-called ducktor or surgical technician? Is bone marrow aspiration a Test? Or vili sampling? Or lumbar puncture? After the puncture, and csf is collected; who analyses the csf? Medical Lab Scientists. To mention but a few.
In the world over, so called pathologists are not licensed to carry out Medical Laboratory Investigations; they just have basic knowledge of Med Lab. Their business is to study disease precesses of their patients, with the major aid of Med Lab reports released by the Med Lab Scientists so as to be able to treat their patients. Okey and all other ducktors/docs, plus the lay public, be informed. And let me quickly add that Med Lab Scientists are professional graduates of Medical Lab Science from Universities awarded with BMLS (Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science).they are assisted in the Lab by med lab technicians and med lab assistants who are trained in polythecnics and schools of health/technology.
The bitter pill Nigerian duck tors must swallow is that MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE & MEDICAL LAB SCIENTISTS have come to stay. The fact that the National House of Assembly recently empowered MLSCN, the MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NIGERIA to Accredit & Inspect ALL private and government (public) Medical Laboratories in Nigeria is enough pointer that the profession of Medical Lab Scientists is advancing. See www.mlscn.gov.ng and or www.amlsn.org
Autoanalyzers are no alternatives or threats to Med Lab Scientists. Thesame Med Lab Scientists calibrate these autoanalyzers; run quality control on the said autoanalyzers and their reagents, and most times troubleshoot these analyzers because as a Med Lab Scientist, in 4th Year in University you are taught a course called "BioMedical Instrumentation".
Finally, YES! YES!! YES!! A Medical Lab Scientist can comfortably and more efficiently manage a hospital; for clarity - be the CMD; if the issue is redressed. Be informed also that the Medical Lab Scientist in his 5th year in University took a course on "Hospital Management" apart from "Laboratory Management" taught in 2nd year. Bottom line; for equity and fair play for all health professions and allied professions represented in the hospital, LET PROFESSIONAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS manage the hospitals in Nigeria as obtainable the world over and some sane health facilities in the country. This would curb the corrupt and nepotic trend of some health workers favoring only their professional colleagues in the team to head administrative offices in the hospital.
Okey,Princenonny, Osahon7 etc and others your colleagues with your shabby mentality not here, let me resound it that Medical Lab Science would continue to be an excrutiating pain in your arsses for as long as you continue to think you can provide comprehensive health services without members of JOHESU. www.amlsn.org

nuelle:

You just displayed your gross idiocy and imbecility. Who the hell employed you as a so-called ducktor or surgical technician? Is bone marrow aspiration a Test? Or vili sampling? Or lumbar puncture? After the puncture, and csf is collected; who analyses the csf? Medical Lab Scientists. To mention but a few.
In the world over, so called pathologists are not licensed to carry out Medical Laboratory Investigations; they just have basic knowledge of Med Lab. Their business is to study disease precesses of their patients, with the major aid of Med Lab reports released by the Med Lab Scientists so as to be able to treat their patients. Okey and all other ducktors/docs, plus the lay public, be informed. And let me quickly add that Med Lab Scientists are professional graduates of Medical Lab Science from Universities awarded with BMLS (Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science).they are assisted in the Lab by med lab technicians and med lab assistants who are trained in polythecnics and schools of health/technology.
The bitter pill Nigerian duck tors must swallow is that MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE & MEDICAL LAB SCIENTISTS have come to stay. The fact that the National House of Assembly recently empowered MLSCN, the MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NIGERIA to Accredit & Inspect ALL private and government (public) Medical Laboratories in Nigeria is enough pointer that the profession of Medical Lab Scientists is advancing. See www.mlscn.gov.ng and or www.amlsn.org
Autoanalyzers are no alternatives or threats to Med Lab Scientists. Thesame Med Lab Scientists calibrate these autoanalyzers; run quality control on the said autoanalyzers and their reagents, and most times troubleshoot these analyzers because as a Med Lab Scientist, in 4th Year in University you are taught a course called "BioMedical Instrumentation".
Finally, YES! YES!! YES!! A Medical Lab Scientist can comfortably and more efficiently manage a hospital; for clarity - be the CMD; if the issue is redressed. Be informed also that the Medical Lab Scientist in his 5th year in University took a course on "Hospital Management" apart from "Laboratory Management" taught in 2nd year. Bottom line; for equity and fair play for all health professions and allied professions represented in the hospital, LET PROFESSIONAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS manage the hospitals in Nigeria as obtainable the world over and some sane health facilities in the country. This would curb the corrupt and nepotic trend of some health workers favoring only their professional colleagues in the team to head administrative offices in the hospital.
Okey,Princenonny, Osahon7 etc and others your colleagues with your shabby mentality not here, let me resound it that Medical Lab Science would continue to be an excrutiating pain in your arsses for as long as you continue to think you can provide comprehensive health services without members of JOHESU. www.amlsn.org

I can feel u are really in deep pain as u struggle to convince d world how relevant u are. People say an empty drum makes d most noise, and u have shown it. I pity u.

Back to business, the area of lab can b handled by anybody who develops interest without even passing through d 4 walls of the university cos the work is straight forward with d aid of machines and autoanalysers. If u are in doubt, go to some towns and rural areas to find out who operate thr lab business-the auxiliary nurses and secondary school leavers.

U also committed another fallacy. The lab machines and autoanalysers are designed,caliberated and constructed by medical,electrical and mechanical engineers and not by lab scientists. I just wonder how u came about that unintelligent conclusion in ur post. Well, that's d level of ur reasoning.

Furthermore, lab tests involve collection of samples, subjecting d samples to tests, documentation of results and interpretation of results. In ur little understanding, ur definition of lab tests is subjecting samples to tests( which are done by machines) & documentation then u excluded collection of samples and interpretation. Without lumbar puncture, there won't be CSF sample for analysis ( also done by machine). The procedure is done by doctor and not d lab technicians. The villi sampling is an invasive test for karyotyping which is done by doctors. There are numerous tests done by doctors which are beyond the reach of lab technicians.

On d issue of pathologists, they are way beyond ur doing simple tests as u do. Pathology is divided into 4: chemical pathology, histopathology, haematology and medical microbiology. They run and prepare samples for tests, analyse the results and use d results to understand d progression of diseases and co-treat patients with other consultants. They are consulted in all the areas of laboratory includinga autopsy, cytology, management of blood disorders( e.g leukaemia), etc. So they are comprehensive in d analysis of lab results.

My advise to ur colleagues is for them to stick to d much or little they know otherwise they will totally render themselves irrelevant .

nuelle:

You just displayed your gross idiocy and imbecility. Who the hell employed you as a so-called ducktor or surgical technician? Is bone marrow aspiration a Test? Or vili sampling? Or lumbar puncture? After the puncture, and csf is collected; who analyses the csf? Medical Lab Scientists. To mention but a few.
In the world over, so called pathologists are not licensed to carry out Medical Laboratory Investigations; they just have basic knowledge of Med Lab. Their business is to study disease precesses of their patients, with the major aid of Med Lab reports released by the Med Lab Scientists so as to be able to treat their patients. Okey and all other ducktors/docs, plus the lay public, be informed. And let me quickly add that Med Lab Scientists are professional graduates of Medical Lab Science from Universities awarded with BMLS (Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science).they are assisted in the Lab by med lab technicians and med lab assistants who are trained in polythecnics and schools of health/technology.
The bitter pill Nigerian duck tors must swallow is that MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE & MEDICAL LAB SCIENTISTS have come to stay. The fact that the National House of Assembly recently empowered MLSCN, the MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NIGERIA to Accredit & Inspect ALL private and government (public) Medical Laboratories in Nigeria is enough pointer that the profession of Medical Lab Scientists is advancing. See www.mlscn.gov.ng and or www.amlsn.org
Autoanalyzers are no alternatives or threats to Med Lab Scientists. Thesame Med Lab Scientists calibrate these autoanalyzers; run quality control on the said autoanalyzers and their reagents, and most times troubleshoot these analyzers because as a Med Lab Scientist, in 4th Year in University you are taught a course called "BioMedical Instrumentation".
Finally, YES! YES!! YES!! A Medical Lab Scientist can comfortably and more efficiently manage a hospital; for clarity - be the CMD; if the issue is redressed. Be informed also that the Medical Lab Scientist in his 5th year in University took a course on "Hospital Management" apart from "Laboratory Management" taught in 2nd year. Bottom line; for equity and fair play for all health professions and allied professions represented in the hospital, LET PROFESSIONAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS manage the hospitals in Nigeria as obtainable the world over and some sane health facilities in the country. This would curb the corrupt and nepotic trend of some health workers favoring only their professional colleagues in the team to head administrative offices in the hospital.
Okey,Princenonny, Osahon7 etc and others your colleagues with your shabby mentality not here, let me resound it that Medical Lab Science would continue to be an excrutiating pain in your arsses for as long as you continue to think you can provide comprehensive health services without members of JOHESU. www.amlsn.org

Pathologists are physicians who
diagnose and characterize disease in
living patients by examining biopsies
or bodily fluid. Pathologists
infrequently conduct autopsies to
investigate causes of death. Pathology
is a core discipline of medical school
and many pathologists are also
instructors. As managers of medical
laboratories, pathologists play an
important role in the development of
laboratory information systems.
Although the medical practice of
pathology grew out of the tradition of
investigative pathology, most modern
pathologists do not perform original
research.
Pathology is a unique medical
specialty in that pathologists typically
do not see patients directly, but rather
serve as consultants to other
physicians (often referred to as
"clinicians" within the pathology
community). To be licensed,
candidates must complete medical
training, an approved residency
program and be certified by an
appropriate body. In the US,
certification is by the American Board
of Pathology or the American
Osteopathic Board of Pathology
. The organization of subspecialties
within pathology varies between
nations, but usually includes
anatomical pathology and clinical
pathology.
Training
Pathology in the United States
In the United States, pathologists are
physicians (D.O. or M.D. ) that have
completed a four-year undergraduate
program, four years of medical school
training, and three to four years of
postgraduate training in the form of a
pathology residency. Training may be
within two primary specialties, as
recognized by the American Board of
Pathology: anatomical Pathology and
clinical Pathology, each of which
requires separate board certification.
The American Osteopathic Board of
Pathology
also recognizes four primary
specialties: anatomic pathology,
dermatopathology, forensic
pathology, and laboratory medicine .
Many pathologists pursue a broad
based training and become certified in
both fields. These skills are
complementary in many hospital
based private practice settings, since
the day to day work of many clinical
laboratories only intermittently
requires the attention of a physician.
Thus, pathologists are able to spend
much of their time evaluating
anatomical pathology cases, while
remaining available to cover any
special issues which might arise in the
clinical laboratories. Pathologists may
pursue specialised fellowship training
within one or more subspecialties of
either anatomical or clinical pathology.
Some of these subspecialties permit
additional board certification, while
others do not. [1]
Pathology in the United Kingdom
In the United Kingdom, pathologists
are medical doctors registered with —
and currently licensed by — the UK
General Medical Council. The training
to become a pathologist is under the
oversight of the Royal College of
Pathologists. After four to six years of
undergraduate medical study, trainees
proceed to a two year foundation
programme. Full-time training in
Histopathology presently lasts
between five to five and a half years.
The first year involves structured
training and is assessed by an
objective structured practical exam
(OSPE), which must be passed to
progress to year two. This is followed
by further specialist training in surgical
pathology, cytopathology, and
autopsy pathology. There are two
examinations run by the Royal
College of Pathologists, termed Part 1
and Part 2. The Part 2 examination is
designed to test competence to work
as an independent practitioner in
pathology and is typically taken after
four or five years of specialist training.
All postgraduate medical training and
education in the UK is overseen by
the General Medical Council (GMC). It
is possible to take a specialist part 2
examination in forensic pathology,
pediatric pathology, or
neuropathology . It is also possible to
take a Royal College of Pathologists
diploma in forensic pathology,
dermatopathology, or cytopathology ,
recognising additional specialist
training and expertise.
Pathology in France
In France, Pathology is separate in two
distinct specialties, Anatomical
pathology and Clinical pathology .
Residencies both lasts four years.
Residency in anatomical pathology is
open to physicians only, while clinical
pathology is open to both physicians
and pharmacists . Anatomical
pathology in France is integrated in
the internal medicine specialty track.
At the end of the second year of
clinical pathology residency, residents
can choose between general Clinical
pathology and a specialization in one
of the disciplines, but they can not
practise Anatomical pathology. And
conversely, Anatomical pathology
residents can not practise Clinical
pathology. [2][3]
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Other subspecialties
The following outline is an attempt at
synthesising information on
profession pathology as it exists in the
United Kingdom [4][5] and the United
States.[6]
1) Clinical Pathology:
1.1) Biochemistry and Immunology:
1.1.1) Clinical Biochemistry
1.1.2) Analytical Toxicology
1.1.3) Histocompatibility and
Immunogenetics
1.1.4) Immunology
1.1.5) Tissue Banking
1.2) Haematology and Transfusion:
1.2.1) Blood Transfusion
1.2.2) Haematology
1.2.3) Haemostasis and Thrombosis
1.3) Microbiology and Infection:
1.3.1) Microbiology and Virology
1.4) Dermatopathology
2) Cellular Pathology:
2.1) Anatomical Pathology
2.2) Cytopathology and Cervical
Cytology
2.3) Histopathology
3) Molecular Pathology:
3.1) Embryology:
3.1.1) Embryology and Andrology
3.2) Genetics:
3.2.1) Cytogenetics
3.2.2) Molecular Genetics

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology_as_a_medical_specialty
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nuelle:

You just displayed your gross idiocy and imbecility. Who the hell employed you as a so-called ducktor or surgical technician? Is bone marrow aspiration a Test? Or vili sampling? Or lumbar puncture? After the puncture, and csf is collected; who analyses the csf? Medical Lab Scientists. To mention but a few.
In the world over, so called pathologists are not licensed to carry out Medical Laboratory Investigations; they just have basic knowledge of Med Lab. Their business is to study disease precesses of their patients, with the major aid of Med Lab reports released by the Med Lab Scientists so as to be able to treat their patients. Okey and all other ducktors/docs, plus the lay public, be informed. And let me quickly add that Med Lab Scientists are professional graduates of Medical Lab Science from Universities awarded with BMLS (Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science).they are assisted in the Lab by med lab technicians and med lab assistants who are trained in polythecnics and schools of health/technology.
The bitter pill Nigerian duck tors must swallow is that MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE & MEDICAL LAB SCIENTISTS have come to stay. The fact that the National House of Assembly recently empowered MLSCN, the MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NIGERIA to Accredit & Inspect ALL private and government (public) Medical Laboratories in Nigeria is enough pointer that the profession of Medical Lab Scientists is advancing. See www.mlscn.gov.ng and or www.amlsn.org
Autoanalyzers are no alternatives or threats to Med Lab Scientists. Thesame Med Lab Scientists calibrate these autoanalyzers; run quality control on the said autoanalyzers and their reagents, and most times troubleshoot these analyzers because as a Med Lab Scientist, in 4th Year in University you are taught a course called "BioMedical Instrumentation".
Finally, YES! YES!! YES!! A Medical Lab Scientist can comfortably and more efficiently manage a hospital; for clarity - be the CMD; if the issue is redressed. Be informed also that the Medical Lab Scientist in his 5th year in University took a course on "Hospital Management" apart from "Laboratory Management" taught in 2nd year. Bottom line; for equity and fair play for all health professions and allied professions represented in the hospital, LET PROFESSIONAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS manage the hospitals in Nigeria as obtainable the world over and some sane health facilities in the country. This would curb the corrupt and nepotic trend of some health workers favoring only their professional colleagues in the team to head administrative offices in the hospital.
Okey,Princenonny, Osahon7 etc and others your colleagues with your shabby mentality not here, let me resound it that Medical Lab Science would continue to be an excrutiating pain in your arsses for as long as you continue to think you can provide comprehensive health services without members of JOHESU. www.amlsn.org

u are wrong in some areas. pathologists are in existence before mlscn or mls. mdcn acts of 1991 empowers pathologists to regulate clinical laboratories. job descriptions are different. while mls or mlt runs most of the mosts pathologists validate the results in line with clinical picture of patients. in usa pathologists are director of clinical laboratories. ask google.

www.rcpath.org/workforce/medical-workforce/job-descriptions

The role of Chemical Pathology in
health care
Doctors in the specialty have dual
responsibilities. Firstly, there is the
provision of a reliable analytical
service, for example measuring serum
electrolytes, indices of liver function,
hormones, drugs and tumour
markers in hundreds of patient
samples every day. Many of these
analyses are performed on
automated analysers, usually
operated by technicians or
technologists. The management of the
analytical process and the staff,
assurance of quality and provision of
guidance on the selection of tests and
assessment of the significance of the
results (particularly with some of the
less generally familiar tests) are the
domain of the chemical pathologist.
They not only review the quality of the
laboratory’s analytical service, but also
discuss the introduction of new
diagnostic tests with consultant
colleagues and manage research
projects of trainees.
Secondly, Chemical Pathologists have
an important clinical role. They
provide advice to healthcare
professionals on appropriate tests
selection and the management of
patients with a variety of metabolic
disturbances, and provide clinical
interpretation of biochemical,
endocrine and metabolic tests results.
Chemical Pathologists are frequently
consulted about further investigation
or management of patients found to
have biochemical abnormalities on
'routine' testing. They often have to
deal with investigating patients with
dyslipidaemias, diabetes, bone
disease or hypertension. Moreover, in
several countries now, chemical
pathologists have increasingly direct
responsibility for such patients in out-
patient clinics and on the wards. For
example, they are running lipid,
obesity, diabetes or inborn errors
clinics, they are involved in the
multidisciplinary nutrition teams and
review ward patients receiving
parenteral nutrition. Our department
is aiming to introduce and establish
this patient orientated approach for
South African Chemical Pathology. In
addition, there is an ample
opportunity in the department for
conducting variety of research projects
and audits that result in scientific
publications.

chempath.ukzn.ac.za/Home.aspx

nuelle:

You just displayed your gross idiocy and imbecility. Who the hell employed you as a so-called ducktor or surgical technician? Is bone marrow aspiration a Test? Or vili sampling? Or lumbar puncture? After the puncture, and csf is collected; who analyses the csf? Medical Lab Scientists. To mention but a few.
In the world over, so called pathologists are not licensed to carry out Medical Laboratory Investigations; they just have basic knowledge of Med Lab. Their business is to study disease precesses of their patients, with the major aid of Med Lab reports released by the Med Lab Scientists so as to be able to treat their patients. Okey and all other ducktors/docs, plus the lay public, be informed. And let me quickly add that Med Lab Scientists are professional graduates of Medical Lab Science from Universities awarded with BMLS (Bachelor of Medical Laboratory Science).they are assisted in the Lab by med lab technicians and med lab assistants who are trained in polythecnics and schools of health/technology.
The bitter pill Nigerian duck tors must swallow is that MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE & MEDICAL LAB SCIENTISTS have come to stay. The fact that the National House of Assembly recently empowered MLSCN, the MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NIGERIA to Accredit & Inspect ALL private and government (public) Medical Laboratories in Nigeria is enough pointer that the profession of Medical Lab Scientists is advancing. See www.mlscn.gov.ng and or www.amlsn.org
Autoanalyzers are no alternatives or threats to Med Lab Scientists. Thesame Med Lab Scientists calibrate these autoanalyzers; run quality control on the said autoanalyzers and their reagents, and most times troubleshoot these analyzers because as a Med Lab Scientist, in 4th Year in University you are taught a course called "BioMedical Instrumentation".
Finally, YES! YES!! YES!! A Medical Lab Scientist can comfortably and more efficiently manage a hospital; for clarity - be the CMD; if the issue is redressed. Be informed also that the Medical Lab Scientist in his 5th year in University took a course on "Hospital Management" apart from "Laboratory Management" taught in 2nd year. Bottom line; for equity and fair play for all health professions and allied professions represented in the hospital, LET PROFESSIONAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATORS manage the hospitals in Nigeria as obtainable the world over and some sane health facilities in the country. This would curb the corrupt and nepotic trend of some health workers favoring only their professional colleagues in the team to head administrative offices in the hospital.
Okey,Princenonny, Osahon7 etc and others your colleagues with your shabby mentality not here, let me resound it that Medical Lab Science would continue to be an excrutiating pain in your arsses for as long as you continue to think you can provide comprehensive health services without members of JOHESU. www.amlsn.org

jst as PROFESSIONAL ADMINISTRATORS r running our universities, military establishments etc

i pity some health professionals who r busy looking for equality with doctors while their profession is gradually taken over by medical doctors; medical lab scientists vs pathologists, community health workers vs community physicians etc

Laalamed:

and why should not a cleaner,mortuary attendants,chew,lab technician,pharmacy technicians ,pharmacists,doctors,mls,nurses and so on with same year of working experience get the same salary. i think in health sectors all workers should be called appointed as consultants after 5years work experience viz consultant physcians,consultant pharmacists,consultant cleaner,consultant hospital maid,consultant mls,consultant secretary,consultant nurse,consultant anatomist,consultant morticians, consultant health instructor, consultant engineer. all should get the same starting salaries and post of head of department and cmd should be on rotation by balloting.there is need for equality.

This is the best write up I've seen on this thread. Afterall, everybody in the airplane works for the passengers.
I just wonder why the cabin crew members are never captains. When I asked further, I was told that the captain takes full responsibility for the passenger while the others assist him in achieving his goal.
Can he work without them? Probably not.
We may wait till the time a consultant lab scientist, nurse or pharmacist will take full responsibility for the patient and the medical doctor will only be a ancillary health worker assisting them in their management plan...... That will be the time to leave Nigeria for possibly Ghana....... Where humans don't bite dogs but dogs bite everything; all cows eat grass but every animal is important.
By the way I'm a consultant. I've been reading and studying since 1992 when I entered the medical school. I became a consultant only 3 years ago.... I didn't break my study save for NYSC. Despite this "higher pay" I got since leaving the med school in 2001, I just got my first plot of land only 4 years ago. Most of my salary and earnings were spent on books, journals, examinations and courses. I've been tenant to nurses and others who were my classmates in the secondary school..... Every profession has its burden and perculiarities, none is superior to the other. If I'd wanted an easier "better life" I would have achieved a lot studying any of the other health courses.
Nigeria ko ni baje oh..

I get worried when I see some members other health professionals are happy when they are addressed as Drs. I enter a lot of private labs and a see a desk and chair for consultation arranged by the MLS ....there are still a lot to be achieved in med lad science if only people will look inwards and develop themselves. I see that in parmaceutical shops in nigeria too.
Does it mean that these people think that being the Dr is the ultimate in healthcare delivery? If not, then I consider that they are "descending low" by pretending to be drs who are "actually nothing" in their words.
A well trained Dr will never look down on any other member of the healthcare team.
Is it about salary? Different professions have different levels of involvement in patient care. If it is the amount of physical exertion, then the compound labourers and cleaners should receive the highest pay in institutions. I also believe it is like that in other parts of the world, in fact some specialists (consultant drs) get almost double of what some get in emolument. The rule is, if you think the neurosurgeon does not deserve better pay than you, just abandon your paediatrics and become a neurosurgeon too. I have a neurologist friend who thinks he deserved better than he got and he later went in for neurosurgery. That was crazy but that is his view of life....
Is it about education? Every profession has its peculiarities in training too. If we all think teachers are useless, then I wonder who teaches our children? Nurses? Or engineers? Or drs? Teachers of course.

The rule now should be ..everybody should practice his profession honourably. Do not be proud to be addressed as what you are not. Every profession should embark re-orientation and purge itself of members who bring disgrace and dishonour to the profession.....same goes for medicine too.

In Nigeria however, every argument or rivalry or strife to dominate has some political, tribal or religious colours. Anyone arguing with a Nigerian needs to understand all these. Nigeria is a complex society.

Please read my post well before insults are hauled at me. I see a lot foul language and disrespect on Nairaland these days.

alstacs: I get worried when I see some members other health professionals are happy when they are addressed as Drs. I enter a lot of private labs and a see a desk and chair for consultation arranged by the MLS ....there are still a lot to be achieved in med lad science if only people will look inwards and develop themselves. I see that in parmaceutical shops in nigeria too.
Does it mean that these people think that being the Dr is the ultimate in healthcare delivery? If not, then I consider that they are "descending low" by pretending to be drs who are "actually nothing" in their words.
A well trained Dr will never look down on any other member of the healthcare team.
Is it about salary? Different professions have different levels of involvement in patient care. If it is the amount of physical exertion, then the compound labourers and cleaners should receive the highest pay in institutions. I also believe it is like that in other parts of the world, in fact some specialists (consultant drs) get almost double of what some get in emolument. The rule is, if you think the neurosurgeon does not deserve better pay than you, just abandon your paediatrics and become a neurosurgeon too. I have a neurologist friend who thinks he deserved better than he got and he later went in for neurosurgery. That was crazy but that is his view of life....
Is it about education? Every profession has its peculiarities in training too. If we all think teachers are useless, then I wonder who teaches our children? Nurses? Or engineers? Or drs? Teachers of course.

The rule now should be ..everybody should practice his profession honourably. Do not be proud to be addressed as what you are not. Every profession should embark re-orientation and purge itself of members who bring disgrace and dishonour to the profession.....same goes for medicine too.

In Nigeria however, every argument or rivalry or strife to dominate has some political, tribal or religious colours. Anyone arguing with a Nigerian needs to understand all these. Nigeria is a complex society.

Please read my post well before insults are hauled at me. I see a lot foul language and disrespect on Nairaland these days.

in this case it is more of politics, union leaders want to be ministers, commissioners, CMDs and so on. i made same observation; apart from pharmacists most health professionals want to be address as DRs. this culture unfortunately led to a situation whr ppl poorly understand their role in health system- because they competing to be recognise as DRs. i always pity nurses in nigeria, they r the most vocal of all health care professionals but least developed professionally, because almost all state governments hv school of nursing majority of nurses in nigeria r auxilliary nurses holding ONLY a diploma in nursing. look inward guys, develop urselves professionally and the recognition wil come automatically

joker5180: in this case it is more of politics, union leaders want to be ministers, commissioners, CMDs and so on. i made same observation; apart from pharmacists most health professionals want to be address as DRs. this culture unfortunately led to a situation whr ppl poorly understand their role in health system- because they competing to be recognise as DRs. i always pity nurses in nigeria, they r the most vocal of all health care professionals but least developed professionally, because almost all state governments hv school of nursing majority of nurses in nigeria r auxilliary nurses holding ONLY a diploma in nursing. look inward guys, develop urselves professionally and the recognition wil come automatically

u ccall them auxilliary cos its an RN/RM they've got? Let them catch u! Pls say it to their face.
As far as i know, auxiliary nurses re d ones bein traind by sum drs and odas in private clinics; those who dint have a formal education in nursing.
Dat bein said, I dont think its right to look down cos of the quality of their cert. I know a couple and they are very sound at what they do.
My point, know the diff btwn registerd nurse and auxiliary nurse pls!!!!!

alstacs:


This is the best write up I've seen on this thread. Afterall, everybody in the airplane works for the passengers.
I just wonder why the cabin crew members are never captains. When I asked further, I was told that the captain takes full responsibility for the passenger while the others assist him in achieving his goal.
Can he work without them? Probably not.
We may wait till the time a consultant lab scientist, nurse or pharmacist will take full responsibility for the patient and the medical doctor will only be a ancillary health worker assisting them in their management plan...... That will be the time to leave Nigeria for possibly Ghana....... Where humans don't bite dogs but dogs bite everything; all cows eat grass but every animal is important.
By the way I'm a consultant. I've been reading and studying since 1992 when I entered the medical school. I became a consultant only 3 years ago.... I didn't break my study save for NYSC. Despite this "higher pay" I got since leaving the med school in 2001, I just got my first plot of land only 4 years ago. Most of my salary and earnings were spent on books, journals, examinations and courses. I've been tenant to nurses and others who were my classmates in the secondary school..... Every profession has its burden and perculiarities, none is superior to the other. If I'd wanted an easier "better life" I would have achieved a lot studying any of the other health courses.
Nigeria ko ni baje oh..

about the most matured comment so far. God bless u

Dr young: I think she is referring to the fact that you are not licensed to conduct lab investigations as an MBBS holder but as a pathologist you can go head. As a junior Reg in my chosen field , honestly wandering into a lab with just what you are taught in school without adequate skills, knowledge because you want to prove a point, to me it reeks of misplaced arrogance and placing the life or patients at risks.

haaaaa, a matured doctor at last. where have u been hiding? its really a problematic situation we have in d health sector.Everybody is trying to prove himself indespensable.Childish,i say.May God help us all

In med school you were thought what? What med school did you attend,I guess not in naija. I guess in your mind you are the only doctor on this forum,then if you think so continue to ride on your high horse. Indeed everything in the hospitals should be contracted out as well. Do you know how many doctors that are out there without jobs

princenonny: you 'wise' one shud also go and get ur own facts right. Their primary agitation is to head health institutions. The scrapping of level 10 is just a minor issue. Most of them wanted to b drs bt they cudnt so dey nw beef drs to the extent of goin on a pointless strike. And by d way drs can run the hosp alone. With the purchase of autoanalysers in most teitiary instutions, d labs ppl wud go out of wrk. Then contract porters to private companies den for d nurses....dressing wounds and givin tabs is nt a big deal. We want u guys to continue d strike cos in med skl we hv been trained to overcome any challenge!!!! Go back n strike...we dnt need u

dapachez: In med school you were thought what? What med school did you attend,I guess not in naija. I guess in your mind you are the only doctor on this forum,then if you think so continue to ride on your high horse. Indeed everything in the hospitals should be contracted out as well. Do you know how many doctors that are out there without jobs

I guess u r a bloody porter. I am a dr today because I worked very hard to attain my mbbs. U too can make it. Go and buy jamb form or keep cleaning d floor and carry folders to the pharmacy for me.

dapachez: In med school you were thought what? What med school did you attend,I guess not in naija. I guess in your mind you are the only doctor on this forum,then if you think so continue to ride on your high horse. Indeed everything in the hospitals should be contracted out as well. Do you know how many doctors that are out there without jobs

also bloody porter, I went to UNN....the only university of nigeria

princenonny: I guess u r a bloody porter. I am a dr today because I worked very hard to attain my mbbs. U too can make it. Go and buy jamb form or keep cleaning d floor and carry folders to the pharmacy for me.

This is the type of utterances that every well meaning medical professional should not use at all. With this mindset I wonder the type of job satisfaction you will have when you eventually work with these co-workers. Remember they can make or mar you.
I thought every brilliant science student wants to be a doctor or engineer until I saw my younger sister's school brochure. The number applying for pharmacy, nursing far exceeded those who wants to be doctors. People wants to be what they want not because they didn't pass JAMB, check the cut off marks for these courses. And let's not forget that they choose their careers because of Passion and the impact it has on people. Most candidate that didn't reach the cut off mark to study medicine is sent to physiology,anat,zoology .........name them but not pharmacy or nursing likewise these courses too.
Please try to analyse and research properly before posting, let us not sound arrogant and uncultured while debating issues.

princenonny: also bloody porter, I went to UNN....the only university of nigeria

and to think a Nigerian Medical doctor made this statement! God, we commit our patients into ur care.

#me@:

and to think a Nigerian Medical doctor made this statement! God, we commit our patients into ur care.

and u are taking him serious?

Dr young:
This is the type of utterances that every well meaning medical professional should not use at all. With this mindset I wonder the type of job satisfaction you will have when you eventually work with these co-workers. Remember they can make or mar you.
I thought every brilliant science student wants to be a doctor or engineer until I saw my younger sister's school brochure. The number applying for pharmacy, nursing far exceeded those who wants to be doctors. People wants to be what they want not because they didn't pass JAMB, check the cut off marks for these courses. And let's not forget that they choose their careers because of Passion and the impact it has on people. Most candidate that didn't reach the cut off mark to study medicine is sent to physiology,anat,zoology .........name them but not pharmacy or nursing likewise these courses too.
Please try to analyse and research properly before posting, let us not sound arrogant and uncultured while debating issues.

95% of med lab and nurse johesuans today wanted to read medicine n due to jamb or 2nd mbbs failure didn't make it. Then mayb '3%' really wanted to genuinely read their courses. Dese 3% knw their place in d health sector. U can't one day wake up agitate to head a hospital because u hv been assisting us for a long time. Until u get it into ur thick skull dat u r jst an assitant, the beta workin relationship we wud hv wit u. A dr cannot head nnpc because he hs been managin their clinic for a no. Of yrs. A househelp cannot assume head of family havin served for many yrs. We hv been trained to do all u do, its jst because of patient overload we created officers for u guys to assist us nw u wnt to take over Bullshit!!!!!!! There is no whr in d world dat there is a residency program for medlab, rehab, nursung, porters and cleaners anywhr in d world. If u wnt to head hospital, go and read medicine fulltime. Also u guys said u can do all we do 'save' surgery. Dnt wori, by friday we wud go on our own strike. Cme and take over let's seee wat u can do. #bloodywannabes

Just learn to read and research. Your analysis is so wrong and inaccurate. I am currently in a surgical residency and you probably type and think like a student.
Argue constructively ;not blindly and stop giving my beloved profession a bad name.

princenonny: 95% of med lab and nurse johesuans today wanted to read medicine n due to jamb or 2nd mbbs failure didn't make it. Then mayb '3%' really wanted to genuinely read their courses. Dese 3% knw their place in d health sector. U can't one day wake up agitate to head a hospital because u hv been assisting us for a long time. Until u get it into ur thick skull dat u r jst an assitant, the beta workin relationship we wud hv wit u. A dr cannot head nnpc because he hs been managin their clinic for a no. Of yrs. A househelp cannot assume head of family havin served for many yrs. We hv been trained to do all u do, its jst because of patient overload we created officers for u guys to assist us nw u wnt to take over Bullshit!!!!!!! There is no whr in d world dat there is a residency program for medlab, rehab, nursung, porters and cleaners anywhr in d world. If u wnt to head hospital, go and read medicine fulltime. Also u guys said u can do all we do 'save' surgery. Dnt wori, by friday we wud go on our own strike. Cme and take over let's seee wat u can do. #bloodywannabes

ENOUGH OF DIS MEDICINE OVER HYPE JARE..D FORMER CMD OF LUTH IS AN ORAL PATHOLOGIST(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON),EVEN EKITI STATE NMA CHAIRMAN IS A MAXILOFACIAL SURGEON(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON)..LET US JUST KNOW OUR PLACE AND THE HEALTH SECTOR WILL GO TO THE PROMISE LAND!!

Osahon7: and a consultant lab technician? Dat of d pharmacist and Nurses are vry reasonable to some extent bt not lab technichians

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Pls wisdom is the principal thing and in all ur getting, get understanding. Thats wat u lack at the moment. A technician is just a diploma holder that assists the medical lab scientist who underwent rigorous 6 yrs training with option of specialization in medical microbiology,histopathology,haematology or chempathology. So they are entitled to any benefit accrued to any other medical profession,whether a physician(Dr) or physiotherapist. Pls be informed and shun biased views

Osahon7: ENOUGH OF DIS MEDICINE OVER HYPE JARE..D FORMER CMD OF LUTH IS AN ORAL PATHOLOGIST(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON),EVEN EKITI STATE NMA CHAIRMAN IS A MAXILOFACIAL SURGEON(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON)..LET US JUST KNOW OUR PLACE AND THE HEALTH SECTOR WILL GO TO THE PROMISE LAND!!

medicine and dentistry could not be separated.

SWG 1: .
Pls wisdom is the principal thing and in all ur getting, get understanding. Thats wat u lack at the moment. A technician is just a diploma holder that assists the medical lab scientist who underwent rigorous 6 yrs training with option of specialization in medical microbiology,histopathology,haematology or chempathology. So they are entitled to any benefit accrued to any other medical profession,whether a physician(Dr) or physiotherapist. Pls be informed and shun biased views

all workers in health sectors need to career progression to become consultant including technicians and cleaners.

Laalamed:
all workers in health sectors need to career progression to become consultant including technicians and cleaners.

Yes i concur...why cant a Cleaner with the same working experience as a Physician be a Consultant?? Dere shuld be equilty

Osahon7: Yes i concur...why cant a Cleaner with the same working experience as a Physician be a Consultant?? Dere shuld be equilty

. If he futhers his education and choses to be a consultant cleaning affairs, no problem. But if he has the prerequsite to go for the post of cmd, so be it.

@DR young and alstac. I lov u guys! Uv proved to me we still have some sensible and reasonable doctors. There is no doubt about the quality services ul render to humanity going by the quality, informed and polite manner u marshal out ur points. May God continue to bless u all as u take care of humanity which HE personally costumized.

SWG 1: @DR young and alstac. I lov u guys! Uv proved to me we still have some sensible and reasonable doctors. There is no doubt about the quality services ul render to humanity going by the quality, informed and polite manner u marshal out ur points. May God continue to bless u all as u take care of humanity which HE personally costumized.

Amen..u nr mention my name for the prayer ni??

Osahon7: ENOUGH OF DIS MEDICINE OVER HYPE JARE..D FORMER CMD OF LUTH IS AN ORAL PATHOLOGIST(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON),EVEN EKITI STATE NMA CHAIRMAN IS A MAXILOFACIAL SURGEON(SPECIALIZED DENTAL SURGEON)..LET US JUST KNOW OUR PLACE AND THE HEALTH SECTOR WILL GO TO THE PROMISE LAND!!

ignorance is a disease. Pls drop your diploma certificate buy jamb n enter med skl so u wud knw that mbbs and bds holders r the same. #bloodywannabes

Osahon7: Yes i concur...why cant a Cleaner with the same working experience as a Physician be a Consultant?? Dere shuld be equilty

loooooool.........all hail the 'clueless' one