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Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 1:54am On Aug 28, 2013 |
http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-measles-outbreak-tied-anti-vaccination-megachurch-1400981 http://www.nbcnews.com/health/measles-outbreak-tied-texas-megachurch-sickens-21-8C11009315 Once Again, Science and common sense are giving several painful lashes to god, or at least, the ridiculous notion of god. What is very ironic is that the church, which is linked to the Kenneth Copeland empire of Mega-churches, has in the past been anti- vaccination, preferring , of course, that the members seek and the counsel and protection from God first before ever considering such. But then again, these savvy carpetbaggers have ingenious ways of marketing every event, good or bad, in god's favour and for their benefit. For all you know, it might just be the crazy old devil trying to torment God's people, or, it might even be God himself just testing the faith of his people. Which ever way it turns, praise the lord,..and, Sow your seeds now. 2 Likes |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by infobiz9ja(m): 7:01am On Aug 28, 2013 |
What's d point of this post? |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Nobody: 7:07am On Aug 28, 2013 |
lol....seems their prayers against illnesses failed |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 7:15am On Aug 28, 2013 |
infobiz9ja: What's d point of this post? Well, you see, these fxxxers have been bilking millions from ordinary folks with the normal, you know, crap that god saves and protects believers from everything, especially cheerful givers. In fact, he went on record to advise his followers against any form of vaccination, prefering that they put their trust in God to protect them from all disease and calamities. Well, it appears that 1. Kenneth Copeland, jut like his Nigerian counterparts , is a fraudsters and a liar, or 2. God did not hear their many prayers maybe because he had failed to remit the loot to god. lol or, 3. God is punishing the victims for unknown sins, or, 4. God is powerless against the immutable lawsy of cause and effect, or 5. They are worshiping the wrong god, or 6. God does not exist. Gladly take your pick. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Nobody: 7:22am On Aug 28, 2013 |
plaetton:This is a very statement. More like using the behaviour of a misguided atheist to attack what atheists hold. This is appaling. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by nora544: 8:03am On Aug 28, 2013 |
That is what i always say a pastor is a pastor and when he has not study medicin than he should not speak about something he didnot understand. I know there are pastors they tell there followers a tru christian can never be ill and you need not to have a health insurance because i can heal you that is what some pastors tell there people in america and it would be realy the same in nigeria and i can tell you this is tru. No one have to get measles because since 1963 there is Vaccines on the market. But this story let me remember when in nigeria in the north part some Imans tell the people please don't take this vaccines for i think it was bos, because it is dangerous. But I know very soon the people will wake up, that a pastor is a real man and not a god. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by EvilBrain1(m): 8:52am On Aug 28, 2013 |
Logicboy03: lol....seems their prayers against illnesses failed Worse, their senseless teachings have endangered their kids and those of the wider community by exposing them to a deadly disease. Every single child that isn't vaccinated is a danger to others around him. For a church to be advocating a return to the days when children were dying of preventable diseases like measles and whooping cough is unforgivable. Measles is no Joke. It kills people's children. 1 Like |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Nobody: 9:12am On Aug 28, 2013 |
Our Nigerian pastors still dey learn work... Joagbaje: |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 1:09pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
Science Flogs god again. This the title of this post and part of my opening statement that some nitwit decided to cut out, presumably for what reason? Did I upset the faith meter? The truth, whether you like it or not, is the incident shows once again, and I repeat, science and common sense just gave god several severe lashes. When will people learn? This is so important in light of what goes on in our own semi-civilized society where people suffer and die out of ignorance. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Ajibam: 3:08pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
plaetton: Science Flogs god again. This the title of this post and part of my opening statement that some nitwit decided to cut out, presumably for what reason? Sorry bro.. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 3:12pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
Ajibam: No problems. Welcome and good luck. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Ajibam: 3:16pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
plaetton: Thanks...tell the Other guys that I Tender My apologies.. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by Nobody: 3:29pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
Ajibam: Aji now I am foncused. What exactly are you apologising for? I guess this is the wrong thread to ask this. I will do that in the complaints thread instead. #Sorry for derailing Plaetton. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by lanre316: 4:08pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
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Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by nlMediator: 7:00pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
The level of ignorance around these quarters is shockingly nauseating. Copeland is not opposed to medicine, and with his wife even have a personal physician, Dr. Colbert. The opposition to vaccines because of concern with autism is not a general opposition to vaccination nor is it a "christian" opposition. Google it and find more about it. Science seems to debunk it, but that's not a reason to link it to Christianity. People are entitled to a healthy skepticism, until convinced otherwise. Even science encourages that. 1 Like |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by EvilBrain1(m): 9:10pm On Aug 28, 2013 |
nlMediator: The level of ignorance around these quarters is shockingly nauseating. Copeland is not opposed to medicine, and with his wife even have a personal physician, Dr. Colbert. The opposition to vaccines because of concern with autism is not a general opposition to vaccination nor is it a "christian" opposition. Google it and find more about it. Science seems to debunk it, but that's not a reason to link it to Christianity. People are entitled to a healthy skepticism, until convinced otherwise. Even science encourages that. Abeg, please! There is no link between vaccines and autism. The Copelands continue to lie to their congregation that such a link exists despite mountains of irrefutable proof that the two have no connection (and that the doctor who started the rumour was a giant fraud). Perhaps if they knew how to think with their brains and evaluate evidence objectively like atheists have been trying to teach them for so long, they wouldn't have believed and perpetuated such an easily disprovable lie. The fact is that the dumb sheep that attend their churches didn't vaccinate their children simply because their pastors told them not to. Therefore if any of those kids dies or is permanently disabled the blood will be on their heads. MØrØns!!! 1 Like |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 8:36pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/31/kenneth-copeland-measles_n_3850299.html As a follow up. NEWARK, Texas -- The teachings of televangelist Kenneth Copeland and his family focusing on the virtues of trusting God to keep healthy are under scrutiny after a cluster of measles cases linked to his family's North Texas megachurch revealed many congregants hadn't been vaccinated against the highly contagious disease. Kenneth Copeland Ministries has won supporters worldwide through television programs, crusades, conferences and prayer request networks. He was a pioneer of the prosperity gospel, which holds that believers are destined to flourish spiritually, physically and financially. Although church officials were quick to act after the outbreak – including hosting clinics in August where 220 people received immunization shots – and have denied they are against medical care or vaccinations, people familiar with the ministry say there is a pervasive culture that believers should rely on God, not modern medicine, to keep them well. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 8:39pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
^^^^ [b]"To get a vaccine would have been viewed by me and my friends and my peers as an act of fear – that you doubted God would keep you safe, you doubted God would keep you healthy. We simply didn't do it," [/b]former church member Amy Arden told The Associated Press. During an August 2010 broadcast, Copeland expressed shock at the number of vaccinations recommended for his great-grandchild. "I got to looking into that and some of it is criminal. ... You're not putting – what is it Hepatitis B – in an infant! That's crazy. That is a shot for a sexually transmitted disease. What? In a baby?" he said. "You don't take the word of the guy that's trying to give the shot about what's good and what isn't. You better go read the can or read the thing – find out what's going on there and get the information on there because I'm telling you, it's very dangerous the things that are happening around us all the time." |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 8:40pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
^^^ His wife Gloria bragged during a conference that she and her husband don't need prescription drugs, adding that the Lord heals all diseases. Robert Hayes, risk manager for the ministries, denied that the church's teachings ever have advised against immunizations and noted the facility includes a medical clinic staffed with a physician. Ole Anthony, president of the Dallas-based religious watchdog group Trinity Foundation, said that while there might not be specific guidance on topics such as vaccinations, the views of the leadership are clear. "The whole atmosphere is to encourage them to have faith, and it's no faith if they go to the doctor, that's the bottom line," Anthony said. |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 8:44pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
^^^^ And even more shocking... In a sermon posted online following the outbreak, Copeland's daughter, Terri Pearsons, who is a senior pastor at Eagle Mountain along with her husband, encouraged those who hadn't been vaccinated to have it done, but added that if[b] "you've got this covered in your household by faith and it crosses your heart of faith, then don't go do it." [/b] Arden, who attended church at Eagle Mountain from 1997 to 2003 and worked at the ministries for three years, said the distrust of vaccines was so pervasive that her daughter, who as an 11-month-old was up to date on her immunizations when they joined the church, didn't get any others until they left. "We were terrified to have any sort of fear. And anything that wasn't faith in God was fear," said Arden, 35, who now lives in New York City. Kristy Beach, 41, said that because of the ministry's teachings, her mother, Bonnie Parker, refused to see a doctor, even as her cancer advanced rapidly. After Parker died in 2004 at age 59, Beach found her mother's diaries, which detailed the words of Kenneth and Gloria Copeland she'd heard on television in her home in Winnsboro, La. "If she went to a doctor, it was a sin," Beach said. "You didn't believe enough if you did. She just wrote: `God heal me. God heal me. God heal me.' " |
Re: Measles Outbreak At Kenneth Copeland Megachurch by plaetton: 8:48pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
So much needs to be said and done to checkmate the clear and ever present dangers of blind faith religion, hawked by fraudsters who have, without any iota of shame, built and run a family empire on the sweath of others by the use of fear and blackmail.. |
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