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Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 10:28pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
While Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole abhor paedophilia and the Watchtower denounces child abuse, faulty and self-serving policies have contributed to paedophilia occurring in the organisation that could have been prevented. The result has been harm to thousands of child victims and distraught parents, and the Watchtower Society paying millions of dollars in settlements. The Watchtower Society has come in for tremendous criticism globally for its stance on paedophilia and been the subject of a multitude of media reports. silentlambs.com lists numerous examples that highlight the extent of child abuse amongst Jehovah's Witnesses. This extends to prominent elders at Bethel, such as Jesus Cano, who handed out naked pictures of himself to young males at airports whilst travelling on District Convention speaking assignments, and was arrested in June 2006.1 The situation amongst Jehovah's Witnesses regarding paedophiles is reminiscent of the Catholic Church. The New York Times has however noted a difference between pedophilia amongst Jehovah's Witnesses and Catholic's. In the Catholic Church: "most of the people accused of abuse are priests and a vast majority of the victims were boys and young men. In the Jehovah's Witnesses some of those accused are elders, but most are congregation members. The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women, and many accusations involve incest." August 11, 2002 There have been several reasons that paedophiles have been able to find sanctuary amongst Jehovah's Witnesses and that the Watchtower Society is now being held accountable for the actions of its members.2 Most damaging, and described in detail below, were the following: The two witness rule to establish Scriptural crimes The three year rule for sins of elders Other concepts also at play have been: Worldly wisdom cannot be trusted Reproach must not be bought on Jehovah's Organization - Witnesses are expected to solve problems within Everyone must engage in preaching Since 1997, there has been improvement in Watchtower policies regarding child abuse, particularly due to pressure from the media and legal cases, and included are the latest Watchtower regulations for each point. Two Witness Rule Of most damage is the "Two Witness" Rule. Until the late 1990s, egregious Watchtower policy dictated that two witnesses must be present at the same sexual encounter, for the perpetrator to be considered to have committed a Scriptural offence. In the case of child molestation, there are almost never two witnesses. This meant that even when several children made an accusation against the same brother, the elders were to do nothing. Without two witnesses, the only time action could be taken was when the accused confessed. Elders were aware of serial child abusers, yet no action was taken either within the congregation, or by contacting the police. It is incomprehensible that the Governing Body could sanction such a policy. The Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9 gave the following advice regarding accusations of child abuse. "What Can Elders Do? If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or repressed memories of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help. These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any remembered abusers should be kept in strict confidence. The elders primary task is to act as shepherds. (Isaiah 32:1,2; 1Peter 5:2,3) They should be especially careful to clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. (Colossians 3:12) Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures. (Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful memories have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing. Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovahs organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance. What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles. If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way . And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person remembers abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such memories are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially. What if the one accused though denying the wrong doing is really guilty? Does he get away with it, as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovahs hands. The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later. (1Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish. When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes. (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice. 1 Corinthians 4:5." It was only after ongoing negative publicity since the 1990's that this was changed to allow "two-witnesses" to include a single witness from two separate occasions. "In recent weeks, the press in this country has focused attention on the way accusations of child abuse are handled by various religious organizations. Such reports may cause some sincere individuals to ask about the procedures followed by Jehovah's Witnesses. We expect the elders to investigate every allegation of child abuse. Even one abused child is one too many. However, in evaluating the evidence, they must bear in mind the Bible's clear direction: "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin. At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Later, this requirement to consider testimony of two or three witnesses was confirmed by Jesus. (Matthew 18:16) Thus, although they investigate every allegation, the elders are not authorized by the Scriptures to take congregational action unless there is a confession or there are two credible witnesses. However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony can be deemed sufficient to take action.-" I Timothy 5:19,24,25." - TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES Letter to Elders May 24, 2002 In the case of child abuse, this still has not gone far enough, and for the sake of children in the congregation, precautions should be taken as soon as there is an accusation from "one witness". The Watchtower tries to shift responsibility for its policy to God and the Bible. "The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19)" Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9 The Watchtower's legalistic insistence of the two witness rule for child abuse is a misapplication of Bible guidance. Small victimised children cannot usually bring the allegation themselves and need extra protection. To insist on a strict two witness policy in situations involving defenceless children is an unrealistic Pharisaical policy. Jesus denounced fanatical adherence to the law at the sacrifice of higher principles of love and mercy. He graphically demonstrated law does not override humanity by healing a man's withered hand on the Sabbath. Applying the two- witness rule to pedophile accusations is a case of fanatical adherence to the letter of the law, so denounced by Jesus. Whilst the two witness rule is a sensible guideline in preventing the miscarriage of justice, it is open to abuse, and hence needs to be used within reason. For instance, a guilty person can deny an accusation from a single witness and avoid punishment. Alternatively, two people can collude to claim an innocent person is guilty and have them unjustly punished. In the case of child abuse, an area in which elders are painfully unqualified to act as judge, trained authorities and experts should always be involved. It is universally accepted that protection of children is of paramount importance. The United Nations Declaration of the Rights of the Child, adopted 1959, recognises the basic fact that children require special protection, a point glaringly overlooked by the Governing Body when establishing its rules on child abuse. 2. The child shall enjoy special protection, and shall be given opportunities and facilities, by law and by other means, to enable him to develop physically, mentally, morally, spiritually and socially in a healthy and normal manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity. In the enactment of laws for this purpose, the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration. 8. The child shall in all circumstances be among the first to receive protection and relief. Click here for a PDF of the Declaration in full , as appearing at http://www.un.org/ cyberschoolbus/humanrights/ resources/child.asp (Sep 12 2012). The guidelines in the 2010 Elders Manual continue to fall disappointingly short in providing children with special protection, stating: "Even though a Christian has been accused of wrongdoing serious enough to require judicial action, a judicial committee should not be formed unless the wrongdoing has been established. What kind of evidence is acceptable? ... There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just people repeating hearsay; no action can taken if there only one witness. Deut 19:15; John 8:17. If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident , the elders can consider their testimony. While such evidence is acceptable to establish guilt, is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing. If the accused denies the accusation , the investigating elders should try to arrange a meeting with him and the accuser together. (Note: If the accusation involves child sexual abuse and the victim is currently a minor, the elders should contact the branch office before arranging a meeting with the child and the alleged abuser .) If the accuser or the accused is unwilling to meet with the elders or if the accused continues to deny the accusation of a single witness and the wrongdoing is not established, the elders will leave matters in Jehovah's hands. (Deut.19:15-17; 1 Tim 5:19, 24, 25; w95 11/1 pp. 28-29) The investigating elders should compose a record, sign it, put it in a sealed envelope, and place it in the congregations confidential file. Additional evidence may later come to light to establish matters." Shepherd the Flock of God pp.71,72 It is disappointing that a procedure manual released as late as 2010 would still indicate arranging a meeting between the child and the abuser, or to dismiss non-action as leaving "matters in Jehovah's hands." Three Year Rule Even more critical in legal actions taken against the Watchtower Society has been the Three Year rule. This allowed for known paedophiles to continue serving as elders, provided any known offences were committed at least three years prior to confession. The 1972 book Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple- Making stated: "If a person was serving as an elder or a ministerial servant when he committed a serious wrong, even though it was some years ago, he bears a degree of reprehensibility, for he continued to serve in that position though knowing that he had, for the time at least, disqualified himself, not being then free from accusation. (1 Tim. 3:2, 10; Titus 1:6,7) He should have informed the judicial committee that he did not adhere to the requirements and should have stepped down from his position. In view of his failure to do this at that time, he would now be removed from that position." The term some years ago was clarified shortly afterwards in the Kingdom Ministry 1972 p.8 as a time period of three years: "What was meant by some years ago on page 170, paragraph two, in the Organization book? This indicates more than a year or two. It may be noted that it did not say many years ago. So it is not the exact number of years, but more like two or three years. It was not intended to have a brother go back into the distant past to bring up wrongs of which he repented years ago and that have evidently been forgiven by Jehovah and are not practiced now." |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nwaoguta(m): 11:07pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
Apostate make we hear word joor. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by keneboi: 11:50pm On Aug 30, 2013 |
I really don't undastnd what dis guyz problem I̲̅s? He has been so jobless and busy spreading apostacy about the witnesses. I only hope he still remebers how jehovah dealt with people like himm in ancient times. You better stay away from the worldwide organisation of jehovah on earth if you are yet to see the truth than going about being an apostate, does you no good instead you are only asking for jehovahs wrath. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 5:22pm On Sep 01, 2013 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 11:05am On Sep 02, 2013 |
Witnesses with problems are encouraged to go to the elders and discouraged from going to worldly experts for fear of being influenced by the advice of worldly experts that may disagree with Watchtower principles. Victims have regularly been advised against contacting police or specialists trained in child abuse. Needless to say, elders have no training in issues such as marriage, addictions and child abuse beyond limited information provided by the Watchtower Society. Watchtower policy lags painfully behind child abuse professionals. An indication of how painfully lacking the training of elders is in the case of child abuse, the environment for children to discuss their abuse is generally in a small kingdom hall room in front of three male elders. Quite often the child has been expected to face the accused. Even more inappropriately, the official 1993 telememo form used by elders asked the question "How many elders felt that the victim was somewhat at fault or willingly participated in the acts?" Reproach on the Organisation's Name Fear of bringing reproach on Jehovah's name has been used to dissuade use of legal and court systems. "Loyalty to Jehovah God will also keep us from doing anything that would bring reproach upon his name and Kingdom. For example, two Christians once got into such difficulty with each other that they improperly resorted to a worldly law court. Certainly, the course of loyalty to Jehovah God is to suffer personal loss rather than bring reproach upon Jehovah and his organization." Watchtower 1996 Mar 15 p.15 The issue here is not the name of Jehovah, but the reputation of the Watchtower Organization. People do not blame God when a Witness molests a child. If blame is attributed to anyone other than the perpetrator, it is directed towards the rules and regulations of the Watchtower Society. When a serial offender was found to have been a child molester, elders kept information discussed in judicial committees confidential under ecclesiastical privilege. This included not reporting such matters to the police. Witnesses have regularly been discouraged from going to the police for fear of bringing reproach on Jehovahs name. In legal cases Watchtower lawyers have made the claim that the Bible says elders must keep information they know in regards to crime confidential. This mimics the Catholic ideas on confessionals. "Elders in the Christian congregation are responsible to handle violations of divine law, such as stealing, murder, and immorality. But God did not require congregation elders to enforce Caesars laws and codes. Hence, Paul did not feel compelled to turn over to Roman authorities Onesimus, who was a fugitive under Roman law. (Philemon 10, 15) Of course, if someone flagrantly violates secular law, gaining the reputation of being a lawbreaker, he would not be a good example and might even be disfellowshipped." Watchtower 1986 Oct 1 p.31 Parents who have witnessed or strongly suspected child abuse against their child have been warned by elders not to talk any other parents in the congregation, with a threat of disfellowshipping for slander if they do. This has been an important factor that has contributed to a child abuser being able to go on and commit more crimes against other children. In 1986, Congress passed the Child Abuse Victims' Rights Act. This allowed children a civil claim in sexual abuse cases, and led to increasing cases against the Catholic Church. In apparent response, a Confidential Letter was sent to Elders in 1989, stating elders contact, not the police, but the Societies legal department regarding any accusations of child abuse. The Elders letter went into detail about keeping information confidential, including the contents of the letter. The 2012 court case involving Candace Conti found the instructions of this letter led to child abuse cases being kept hidden. A 1989 elder's form for child abuse cases stated that if the congregation is in a location where it is compulsory to make a report to the authorities, they should make an anonymous call from a phone booth. This is highly ineffective, since police are generally unable to follow up on anonymous tips. Following is a copy of the form taken from court exhibits. This was restated in the 1993 version of the form. In 2002, it was finally accepted that police could be contacted directly. A Letter To All Bodies of Elders in the United States, February 15, 2002 stated that elders were not to prevent Witnesses reporting child abuse to the police, which has been added to the 2010 Elders manual. "Child abuse is a crime. Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police or other authorities. If you are asked, make it clear that whether to report the matter to the authorities or not is a personal decision for each individual to make and that there are no congregation sanctions for either decision. Elders will not criticize anyone who reports such an allegation to the authorities. If the victim wishes to make a report, it is his or her absolute right to do so. - Gal. 6:5." Shepherd the Flock of God pp.131,132. Click here for the full quote. However, the congregation itself is not protected, since it will not be made aware of pedophiles within the congregation by the elders. Even when a person is disfellowshipped for child abuse, the only announcements will be "[Name of person] is no longer one ofJehovah's Witnesses" and possibly later, "[Name of person] is reinstated as one of Jehovah's Witnesses." Change in Policy It was not until the late 1990s, as a result of bad media publicity globally, that Watchtower policy changes on child abuse finally started to come into effect. Two children making a similar accusation in a short period of time can now be regarded as two witnesses, as can collaborative evidence such as photos. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 3:04pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
IN your own case as a PERSON WITH FEELINGS FOR MEN LIKE YOU, YOU TRAVELLED TO SOUTH AFRICA AT CHURCH'S EXPENSE BUT AT THE HOTEL ROOM, YOU AND A LEADING PASTOR DID WHAT MADE GOD RAIN FIRE ON S/GOMMORAH are you plain or hypocryte? so it is wrong for elders to hear first and give advice, can you see what happen in your own case below when you refuse to tell your dad who you are? you prefer a friend's advice;baby123 who adviced you that you are normal, and then you became a wife to a leading pastor. you are a commissioned pastor right now, im i lying. here is what you use your own hand to post on NL last year, in piecemeal |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 3:22pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: IN your own case as a PERSON WITH FEELINGS FOR MEN LIKE YOU,LOL....calm down bro, calm down, i know it hurts that i have to slap the truth across your face like this. I know it hurts, but you gat to pick up the courage and face it like a man! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nobody: 3:36pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
IF YOU WERE DISFELLOWSHIPPED BY THE ELDERS, THIS WILL GET YOU NOWHERE, DO ME ONE FAVOUR GET A LIFE #LIVEANDLETLIVE |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 5:16pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
satanist: IF YOU WERE DISFELLOWSHIPPED BY THE ELDERS, THIS WILL GET YOU NOWHERE, DO ME ONE FAVOUR GET A LIFE #LIVEANDLETLIVEFYI, am not even a Jw neither was i a Jw. Ok. Please take note |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 6:26pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Yooguyz: im not a jw, your case as a gay is worst than that of the jw you quoted, and were disfellowshiped, you keep your own sin in your church as you were an ordained pastor now, God have mercy, you can see the fallacy of churches imposing their wife and children on church, where is the holy spirit for God sake. youguys, sorry, how do you feel when you mount the pulpit? the worst was that at churchs expence, tithe, offerings, firstfruits donations, you went out there to south africa on church mission with assistant pastor and you shamefully engage in illicit affair men to men you are the wife, abi? he who seeks equity must come out with clean hands your hands are soiled, for the fact that you do all this with the churchs money, you are inviting curse on your head.[/size] below is what you wrote by yourself; Yooguyz: My dad's assistant is my first and only gay lover it all started when we went for a crusade in south africa organized by our church.we(the evangelistic team) whic he's part off,used to stay in a hotel booked by the churches hosting us.so i was paired with his assistant to stay in the same room.on the second nite after the crusade dat day, i noticed he was talking about sex n sex..during the middle of the nite he was touching..strangely i was liking it and.,BAM!! Dat was it! It even continued after the crusade my question is that, do you appologise to your fathers church?
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nobody: 7:51pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Yooguyz: what the GB says is just the truth. and they are flexible while sticking to the sciptural bound. what else will they do? the bible has already stated that a matter is established by two witnesses. they have also giving the parents the go ahead order to report to the police if they wish if no two witnesses appeared. It is also logical they made it an individual decision cos the bible's boundary stopped at two witnesses, so anything against, the accuser will bear the consequent from Jah not the GB. I want to state that mentioning the crime the person commited is good, but is not necessary for a TRUE JW. because when anybody is disfellowshipped, no one is expected to communicate, greet or even eat with such a person unless you are not a true JW. so when you maintain this scriptural direction, you will not be in danger. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 8:13pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
JMAN05: but it will interest you that the op, a gay with another pastor in their church still give sermon on the pulpit, yet practicing intimate relations using church fund, see his post on that above, captured |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nobody: 8:22pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: WHAT!!!!!!!!! and he still has mouth to talk? a pastor too? even have the courage to vomit that crime on NL? Where has our consciences gone! May God have mercy for this generation! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 8:29pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
JMAN05: that was his post up there, he confessed on NL earlier before manmmustwac remove it,but my brother captutured them. they were lodging in hotel booked by church money and they dont have conscience to tell them they are not doing right |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nobody: 8:38pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Nobody: 9:06pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: WHAT!!!!!!!!! and he still has mouth to talk? a pastor too? even have the courage to vomit that crime on NL? Where has our consciences gone to? May God have mercy for this generation! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Yooguyz: 10:53pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
@BARRISTERS/BALTIMORE, Na wah oh! You no dey change pattern? The same type of trolling, the same abusive comments that earned you a ban you are still using eh! Do you know you can again? Many of the information you posted about me are misleading and VERY INCORRECT and you know it. The same thing that earned you a ban, you are still doing it. Remember you are GUILTY OF BREAKING RULE 2. Oya start to beg me before i report you, i give you from now till tommorow morning. BTW how is Striktlymi doing? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 11:29pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
Yooguyz: @BARRISTERS/BALTIMORE, i have never had any ban on NL, for your info, i need confirmation from NL grooup now, you did you not deny them, manmustwac warned you severaly, i posted his warnings, yet you break the rules, pls report ban now, but if it fail you cant be taken seriously BALTIMORE really, im bernimoore not barrister kindly do that right now. you claim to be a Gay in your own post on On Nov 26, 2012! true or false, you posted it yourself, how is that a bully when you are not sleeping or posted on your behalf, here is rule 3, that you break, with no proof! 3. Don't advocate or encourage violent actions against any person, tribe, race, or group of people. one of the the moderators should be with some posts of your warnings by now so dont panic |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 11:31pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
baby_123 how is he? your adviser |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by Pygru: 11:38pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses, Paedophilia, And The Two Witness Rule. Hehehe.... by BERNIMOORE: 11:44pm On Sep 02, 2013 |
im still surprised that someone with your reputation can be leading a church |
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