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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Jomark(m): 1:13pm On Sep 01, 2013
musiwa1h: But the issue is the syria govt is killing its people. should the world watch while nobody do anything. It means any leader can kill anyone at will. Syria should negotiate with the rebel. It is like the case of rebellion in Nigeria
what did the world do when Nigeria were slaying innocent igbos for 3 years. Did they not fold their hands and watch igbos die? That was why Chimamanda's obi's book in Half Of A Yellow sun was titled ''The world was silent when we died'' Even when protests were holding all over the world for the war. That a 20 Colombian university student burnt himself in front of UN building in New York in 1967. The atrocities committed in the war made Steve Job(apple founder) stopped going to church till his death 2years . The so called world power(America) are not going to Syria cuz the Syrian masses been massacred by Assad but bcuz of their middle east interest. Not even Christianity can stop them from their interest. They worship interest! As for me, let them kill each other bcuz they all were silent when we died!

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 1:15pm On Sep 01, 2013
bu Mikey: Release these Missiles and let the War begin Jor!!!


Armageddon
Woe Unto Those Who long 4 d coming of d great day GOD Almighty and the war of ARMAGEDDON...this isn't an Ordinary war...satan and his demons as well as Archangel Michael and all heavenly Hosts shall be involved...The Sun Shall be turned into Blood And the Powers in the air shall Shake.,do you think you can STAND...
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Jomark(m): 1:17pm On Sep 01, 2013
musiwa1h: But the issue is the syria govt is killing its people. should the world watch while nobody do anything. It means any leader can kill anyone at will. Syria should negotiate with the rebel. It is like the case of rebellion in Nigeria
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by CommanderO: 1:19pm On Sep 01, 2013
50calibre:

Says who? You seem to forget that Russian foreign policy is largely determined by who is in power at that given time, under medvedev, I agree Russia wouldn't want to stick their heads out to far, probably the way they did Libya, but under Putin? I don't think so.

1 - Russia has already stuck its head out too far already, it would be a total wasted effort to turn back now.

2 - Russia ( especially Putin ) feels betrayed about what happened in Libya, he's going to put his foot down on this one.

3 - Syria is strategic to russia, in the sense that Syria holds the only Russian military base in the Middle East.

As for china, I might agree because for them, economic interest always remain paramount in their decision making.

And FYI russia has moved their battle ships to the Mediterranean already, just monitoring the situation


Don't make it sound like America is God
ma guy all this one na story 4get about russia, abi the tell u say na georgia we the talk about 4 here.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Horus(m): 1:19pm On Sep 01, 2013
55 million Americans require food-stamps to eat yet America is ready to spend billions in a new war

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 1:19pm On Sep 01, 2013
exPLIcit7: Woe Unto Those Who long 4 d coming of d great GOD Almighty and the war of ARMAGEDDON...this isn't an Ordinary war...satan and his demons as well as Archangel Michael and all heavenly Hosts...The Sun Shall be turned into Blood And the Powers in the air shall be Shake.,do you think you can STAND...
he will stand. only those on the wrong path will not stand

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Jomark(m): 1:25pm On Sep 01, 2013
malele:

Usa plan is not to remove assad, chemical weapon use is a violention of Un rules, so it has to be addressed to check its further use in the future.
dey want to destroy assad capability of using chemical weapons.
Na so dem tell u? O boy sidon 4 corner joor. If they are going to war bcuz Syria violated UN law is it not supposed to be UN security council that will declare war on Syria? This shows that they have been looking for a reason to oust Assad. I don't know why Nigerian Christians esp the igbos always drum support for US as if they would come to their aid if Nigeria were to kill them all as usual. Am Christian o. Just saying the fact. They all supported Hausas when igbos are been massacred in 1967
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Horus(m): 1:26pm On Sep 01, 2013
obadiah777: he will stand. only those on the wrong path will not stand

@obadiah777
What is the "Prophecy" about this war?

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by onegig(m): 1:26pm On Sep 01, 2013
Sisi_Kill: Training local insurgents to carry out attacks on Americans giving them an excuse to launch an attack has been a tried and true trademark of the American Govt. They believe it is the only way to persuade an always reluctant congress that there is a need to go to war.

Nice to see after many years, they haven't lost their touch or even attempted to be more subtle. Guess if it ain't broke don't fix it is something they also believe.


Most peeps on here are hypocrites. In iraq it was wmd. Now syria it is chemical weapons. Tell me whats the difference between someone who died of guns and bombs and another who died of chemicals. Ain't it all death? Thousands have died since the begining of this so called war but the west didn't deem it fit to act but now because chemical weapons was used someone has to take a beat for it. Who would fight for those who died of normal gun shots. Tell me those who have died of gun shell if they were to be alive and were to be asked how they would have loved to die . Would any have chosen either of the two? So it is now okay that a government or rebels can continue to kill its people as long as they used guns and knife.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Daffydoc: 1:30pm On Sep 01, 2013
Folks the truth is that Obama should never have drawn a red line in the first place . Mr. Obama seeks to bomb a nation that has not attacked or even threatened the US. The Syrian civil war is none of their business. They have no dog in that fight. The president has made a fatal mistake: Don’t utter threats you cannot back up. He never should have drawn a “red line.” To salvage his credibility and pride, he is now on the cusp of a foreign policy debacle. You should have heard him speak, this guy doesn't even have the appetite for war. His ego is at stake.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by CommanderO: 1:33pm On Sep 01, 2013
50calibre:


Sure thing!! Russia won't attack american ships, and vice versa, that would be a declaration of war, but what would happen is Russia will scale up its supply of weapons to Assad, which is the same thing America would do if the tables were reversed.

You say it like only Russia and other countries fear damnation, and the US is the all invincible that fears no damnation, are you aware of something called MAD ( mutually assured destruction ) ?

Are you aware that Russia's nuclear arsenal still induces fear into the Americans? Are you aware Russian nuclear stock piles are considerably larger than that of the US, why do you think Obama is so concerned with getting russia to honour the START treaty? Why do you think The US and NAtO are so concerned with planting missile defences in Europe?

However, i agree with you that this conflict isn't going to escalate to that stage, but would destabilise the Middle East and only increase the animosity between the US and Russia.
Forget about russia nuclear war heads if russia like make the posses the whole nuclear arsenal wey dey dis life so far as na america russia no go fit do any tin don't want to talk about china cos d are jus good in followin d dancers. Even russia dem selfs no d pray for any confrotation wit the us.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Daffydoc: 1:35pm On Sep 01, 2013
The Obama administration is engaging in war propaganda eerily similar to Iraq. The costs could eventually be as disastrous — or worse. The evidence is flimsy that Mr. Assad’s forces used nerve gas in rebel-held territory. The United Nations inspection team so far has been unable to irrefutably confirm it, even U.S. intelligence officials are conceding that the links between the chemical weapons attack and the Assad regime are tenuous at best. The reason is obvious: The Syrian dictator has no rational motive to use weapons of mass destruction. Mr. Assad’s forces are winning and the Islamist rebels are on the run. Their supply lines are cut off. They have been fragmented into several isolated pockets of resistance. The rebels cannot win — and they know it. Why would Mr. Assad use chemical weapons knowing that it would trigger widespread international anger and furor? Using conventional weapons, his military has been winning battle after battle. Mr. Assad may be brutal, ruthless and cunning, but he is not stupid.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Daffydoc: 1:42pm On Sep 01, 2013
Moreover, contrary to what u read on d news, the rebels are not “freedom fighters,” Rather, their ranks and leadership are filled with Islamic jihadists, many of whom have ties to al Qaeda. Their goal is to forge a Sunni Muslim theocracy — an Islamist Syria. They seek to eradicate the country’s minority Shiite Alawites and Christians. Their slogan is: “The Alawites to the wall, the Christians to Beirut.” In fact,
throughout the vicious civil war, Islamist rebels have committed countless atrocities against innocent Syrians. For example, Christian churches have been burned. Priests and nuns murdered. Entire families slaughtered. Why does Mr. Obama want America to aid these Islamist fanatics in their struggle against Mr. Assad’s iron rule? It is the act of the highest hubris and folly. Even if d entire reason is to further isolate Iran, Syria is just not worth the sweat.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 1:44pm On Sep 01, 2013
Horus:

@obadiah777
What is the "Prophecy" about this war?
the prophesy Chief Horus, is that america will go into the war and then russia ( gog ) and china ( the king of the east rev 16 ) will retaliate and then different nations will take sides as see fit but the eurozone ( the ten horns ) will keep out of it initially. when the eurozone see that russia and china are destroying america, the eurozone ( ten horns ) will join china and russia ( rev 17 ) and then all nations in the world who have nukes would throw all their nukes on america and it will cease to exist anymore. everything in it including all people will be liquidated wink wink
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by ocelot2006(m): 1:45pm On Sep 01, 2013
GraphicsPlus: I am aware that if US strikes Syria when Britain, China and Russia have said no, there will be grave consequences. Obama is aware of that. This is why he's waiting and delaying to order for a strike. Obama is handicapped because US greatest ally, Britain has backed out of the plan to strike Syria.

However, I do not agree for a second that Assad is not responsible of the chemical weapon that was used against innocent and helpless civilians. The rebels couldn't have gotten a sophisticated weapon like that. From where? We are not talking about grenade bombs here. We are talking about Chemical weapons, which Russia and Iran, the two greatest allies of Syria possess.

US is not a war-monger country. If after thorough investigation and ongoing scanning, and it is discovered that Assad indeed used chemical weapon against his own people, I believe it is wise for Obama to order for a strike. Syria should be punished for crossing the red line. It is against international law to use chemical weapon during war how much more a civil war.

But again, I know Obama is facing several choices. The fact that the rebels have link with Al-Qaeda is one reason Obama will not make the choice of supplying weapons to them. Again, Americans will not agree for US soldiers to be on ground in Syria because of resources and men they have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. If Obama strikes, Russia and Iran may be provoked. Iran is Syria's strongest ally because of the role Syria played during their war against Iraq.

So, I know that whatever choice Obama makes, the consequence will be grave. However, I believe if it is proven that Assad indeed used chemical weapons against his people, Syria should be punished. I think this is why Obama is delaying any military action. He wants to get more coalition and clearer evidence.

I'm afraid you're wrong. First of all, the rebels were able to lay their hands on a couple of chemical weapons during theinitial stages of this conflict after they had siezed a number of Syrian Army bases. And previous UN reports clearly indicated that the Rebels clearly used some of these weapons with absolutely no response from the west.

But here's a clear reason why I strongly believe the Syrians didn't launch the chemical attack: THE SYRIAN ARMY ALREADY HAD THE UPPER HAND IN MOST (if not all) THE RECENT BATTLES. So why use weapons of last resort when they were already on a winning streak? It makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL. And keep in mind that the rebels had more to gain with the use of these weapons as it would drag in the west to the conflict after Obama said such use would cross the so-called "red line".

One more thing, the Americans are indeed warmongers. They own the largest military budget in the world and have been invokved in waaaay more conflicts than even their own enemies. Like the Iranians.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Horus(m): 1:50pm On Sep 01, 2013
obadiah777: the prophesy Chief Horus, is that america will go into the war and then russia ( gog ) and china ( the king of the east rev 16 ) will retaliate and then different nations will take sides as see fit but the eurozone ( the ten horns ) will keep out of it initially. when the eurozone see that russia and china are destroying america, the eurozone ( ten horns ) will join china and russia ( rev 17 ) and then all nations in the world who have nukes would throw all their nukes on america and it will cease to exist anymore. everything in it including all people will be liquidated wink wink

What will happen to The State of Israel?

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by bookface: 1:50pm On Sep 01, 2013
50calibre:


Sure thing!! Russia won't attack american ships, and vice versa, that would be a declaration of war, but what would happen is Russia will scale up its supply of weapons to Assad, which is the same thing America would do if the tables were reversed.

You say it like only Russia and other countries fear damnation, and the US is the all invincible that fears no damnation, are you aware of something called MAD ( mutually assured destruction ) ?

Are you aware that Russia's nuclear arsenal still induces fear into the Americans? Are you aware Russian nuclear stock piles are considerably larger than that of the US, why do you think Obama is so concerned with getting russia to honour the START treaty? Why do you think The US and NAtO are so concerned with planting missile defences in Europe?

However, i agree with you that this conflict isn't going to escalate to that stage, but would destabilise the Middle East and only increase the animosity between the US and Russia.


No, i don't argue that the US is invincible, my argument is that going by the logic of MAD, Russian warships in the Mediterranean region will only stand by and watch should the US decide to strike at Syria.

Russia has had its nuclear stockpile for decades. American war planners know this. - This is not a new development and it's not really something that American policymakers are worried about. American policymakers know that regardless of how much success they record with the START treaty, Russia WILL ALWAYS have a nuclear strike capability.

Russia on the other hand is having to cope with recent developments in America's missile defense capabilities. Russian policymakers are extremely worried about this. If NATO extends further to the East and America develops its missile shield further, Russian nuclear deterrent may actually be threatened.

Having a larger pile of nuclear weapons make no difference - Israel is estimated to have approximately 200 nuclear war heads, - an amount considerably smaller than what either the Russians or the Americans have. However, all 200, -some of which have capabilities that can inflict 50 times as much damage than what was witnessed at Hiroshima - can probably take down the whole of USA or Russia!


I don't see how much more Russia could go in terms of arm sales to Syria. It's already supplied it with several of its advanced weaponry - anything more would be damaging to Russia's own interest, since Russia cannot predict the future of Syria, why supply it with weapons that may one day fall into the hands of Russia's adversaries?
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Fantacy1(m): 1:50pm On Sep 01, 2013
Let there be Peace....

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 1:51pm On Sep 01, 2013
Horus:

What will happen to The State of Israel?
destroyed completely by russia ( ezekiel 38 and 39 ). those are not the biblical israel.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 1:53pm On Sep 01, 2013
Fantacy1: Let there be Peace....
there cant be peace without war. this is the war to end all wars. WW3 ARMAGEDDON
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by 50calibre(m): 2:12pm On Sep 01, 2013
Commander .O.:
Forget about russia nuclear war heads if russia like make the posses the whole nuclear arsenal wey dey dis life so far as na america russia no go fit do any tin don't want to talk about china cos d are jus good in followin d dancers. Even russia dem selfs no d pray for any confrotation wit the us.

You didn't say anything, just rants. Come back with good points and reasons to back them up and then we can have a proper debate.

When it comes to conflicts, no nation is invincible and no nation is too small, no one, no matter how mighty, escapes unhurt.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by shoboy9: 2:17pm On Sep 01, 2013
Q: What colour is Obama's skin?

Ans: Yellow!
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Kirinwa: 2:27pm On Sep 01, 2013
malele:

1million likes.
I don't know why people see americas as devil.
Seriously if to say america no dey most countries for no dey exist now.
If not for allied forces the world for dey under germany now.
If not for america iran for dey under iraq.
People should try and change there mind set.

Some here are just over fed.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by MostHigh: 2:53pm On Sep 01, 2013
obadiah777: the prophesy Chief Horus, is that america will go into the war and then russia ( gog ) and china ( the king of the east rev 16 ) will retaliate and then different nations will take sides as see fit but the eurozone ( the ten horns ) will keep out of it initially. when the eurozone see that russia and china are destroying america, the eurozone ( ten horns ) will join china and russia ( rev 17 ) and then all nations in the world who have nukes would throw all their nukes on america and it will cease to exist anymore. everything in it including all people will be liquidated wink wink

Not the sound of children playing

Not the sound of the keke going past

Not even the sound of the market women haggling

Totall desolation.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 3:13pm On Sep 01, 2013
I don't know why Obama wouldn't leave Syrians,the Arab league and Muslims to take care of the internal crisis in their land
America shouldn't get involved,these people are myopic and unappreciative
Assad has gassed thousands of innocent people,you didn't see any outcry from Muslims including the ones on nairaland but soon an American soldier will be accused of desecrating a Koran and you see them out with their daggers threatening to kill all living things and calling it an Ameican/ Israeli agenda

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Obama please Leave muslims to sort out problems in their Muslim lands[/size]
If their fellow Muslims fold their hands,the rest of the world should please leave them alone to deal with their mess
the UK has washed it's hands,so must the USA
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 3:14pm On Sep 01, 2013
I know Mr. President is a wise man, US won't strike Syria! They just want to sweat Asad.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by 50calibre(m): 3:16pm On Sep 01, 2013
bookface:


No, i don't argue that the US is invincible, my argument is that going by the logic of MAD, Russian warships in the Mediterranean region will only stand by and watch should the US decide to strike at Syria.

Russia has had its nuclear stockpile for decades. American war planners know this. - This is not a new development and it's not really something that American policymakers are worried about. American policymakers know that regardless of how much success they record with the START treaty, Russia WILL ALWAYS have a nuclear strike capability.

Russia on the other hand is having to cope with recent developments in America's missile defense capabilities. Russian policymakers are extremely worried about this. If NATO extends further to the East and America develops its missile shield further, Russian nuclear deterrent may actually be threatened.

Having a larger pile of nuclear weapons make no difference - Israel is estimated to have approximately 200 nuclear war heads, - an amount considerably smaller than what either the Russians or the Americans have. However, all 200, -some of which have capabilities that can inflict 50 times as much damage than what was witnessed at Hiroshima - can probably take down the whole of USA or Russia!


I don't see how much more Russia could go in terms of arm sales to Syria. It's already supplied it with several of its advanced weaponry - anything more would be damaging to Russia's own interest, since Russia cannot predict the future of Syria, why supply it with weapons that may one day fall into the hands of Russia's adversaries?


Who told you american policy makers aren't bothered about Russia's nuclear stockpiles? Just look at how Obama has been pushing that treaty, he's literally begging.

With regards to the US/NATO planting missile shields around Europe, Russia has already threatened to deploy iskander missiles to destroy any missile shield that threatens its own deterrent.

It's true America has developed an array of highly sophisticated weapons, America is miles ahead of ever one in that aspect. Also it's not just having nuclear weapons, it's having the means to deliver them ( mostly by missiles ) of which russia has developed highly sophisticated undetectable ICBMs one of which was tested some years ago and was seen as far as Israel, the Israeli government thought it was a UFO.

America might develop all the sophisticated weapons it wants, but when you understand the nitty gritty of warfare you'd know that no matter how sophisticated you weapons are, they are reliant on basic factors like communication, one surgical strike would render your weapons useless. The Chinese have developed a missile capable of knocking out satellites from space, in war no matter how much hardware you have, even the most simple of weapons can hurt you, ask the US army about the Taliban.

Russia has long known it can't beat the US in precision, so it opts for size, Just look at the Tsar bomb.

So what russia lacks in sophistication, the make up in determination, discipline and size.
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 3:19pm On Sep 01, 2013
obadiah777: the prophesy Chief Horus, is that america will go into the war and then russia ( gog ) and china ( the king of the east rev 16 ) will retaliate and then different nations will take sides as see fit but the eurozone ( the ten horns ) will keep out of it initially. when the eurozone see that russia and china are destroying america, the eurozone ( ten horns ) will join china and russia ( rev 17 ) and then all nations in the world who have nukes would throw all their nukes on america and it will cease to exist anymore. everything in it including all people will be liquidated wink wink

After reading this, I really laughed out loud, Why do you hate America?? Get a better job, atleast a better one than typing rubbish on the internet.

Prophesy kor "Heavenly feeling" ni *In Seun Osewa voice*
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by yetunsbay(m): 3:31pm On Sep 01, 2013
Joel.:
source please
televised on aljazeera on Aug 31st
Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by Nobody: 3:31pm On Sep 01, 2013
MostHigh:

Not the sound of children playing

Not the sound of the keke going past

Not even the sound of the market women haggling

Totall desolation.
revelation 18 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by MostHigh: 3:54pm On Sep 01, 2013
obadiah777: revelation 18 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.


Yes Sire.

Spot on as Always.

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Re: Obama Seeks Congress Approval To Strike Syria by MostHigh: 3:55pm On Sep 01, 2013
adeaugustus:

After reading this, I really laughed out loud, Why do you hate America?? Get a better job, atleast a better one than typing rubbish on the internet.

Prophesy kor "Heavenly feeling" ni *In Seun Osewa voice*

Another Z0mb1e. smiley

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