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Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Classicalman(m): 4:03pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
azibit: 1. After burial, the grave tightens up and presses the dead.So you are saying that once you are a muslim you will eventually go to heaven despite your actions on earth? I guess also that the perpetrators of the september 11 attacks which killed over 3000 people will just be given a slap in d wrist by your god and then released to al janah/paradise thereafter? Na wah o! Some people can really believe anything. 3 Likes |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 4:03pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
azibit: 1. After burial, the grave tightens up and presses the dead. God bless U. I am a muslim and this account of the grave scares me like hell. May Allah in His infinite mercies forgive us all but astagafirlah,on the other hand,is there truly hellfire. I understand dont and wouldn't compromise His standards but don't U think the concept of hellfire overrules that of destiny. If everything in life was written or say destined by God,then whats the logic behind hellfire and heaven,whats the justification? For example; Adolf Hitler right from the moment he was conceived in his mother's womb, God's destined him to be evil anf commit all sorts of crime against humanity. Why would God deliberately now want to punish Adolf for acting scripts He directed,for living a life he was destined to live? Then,it baffles me why some people are chosen and some are cursed.. what exactly is the motive behind life? What is the driving force? It doesnt matter your religion,I need someone to help ne out here 1 Like |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 4:05pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Least did I say , God know his sheep, not one will he loose, before creation God has known the exact number he has , he is a God who knws the end from the beginning, john 10 25 -27 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. So pray to be one of his sheep that the must important and pray for his kingdom to come. Concerning rapture no sinner will be alive the Glory of jesus wish kill or perish them that have not eaten the hidden manna, the word , all unbeliever will die at the touch of the glory, only believers will be transfigured by the touch of that glory, to rule a 1000yrs which is a day to God, |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by phayvoursky(m): 4:06pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
iv not died before, so I dont know... |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by 25Calibre(m): 4:07pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
azibit: 1. After burial, the grave tightens up and presses the dead. Lols this is one of the funniest stories I've read this year, what about the 72 virgins Allah promised to all jihadist, aren't they included in the package? 2 Likes |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Uclloyd28(m): 4:09pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
What will one have 2 do to make heaven please? Going by what I've been told, majority of people won't make heaven and if that's the case, why did Christ shed his blood for our sins then. I really need answers please |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Classicalman(m): 4:11pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
pof600:Mr boy, i said the individual is made up of these 3 entities and not that they are part of the body. I'm not saying it for atheists like you to begin arguing with or not because your minds have already been sold to the devil. My prayer is that God one day reveals his light of truth to you before it is late. |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by infiniteloop(m): 4:11pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
azibit: 1. After burial, the grave tightens up and presses the dead. Really?! Interesting. |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Okijajuju1(m): 4:12pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
MEILYN: I heard conflicting opinions. Someone said that the spirit will be absent from the body and be present with the Lord, yet others say that you "sleep" in the grave until the resurrection. Others say the spirit will goto the spirit prison until judgment day, while some say after death is judgment, ur spirit goes to heaven or hell. My Guy!! Just goes to show you how complicated and twisted the Bible is Here is one interesting story in the bible; That is the story of Lazarus.. Luke 16:19-31. Here are some extracts from that passage; 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire. Notice here that Lazarus was instantly taken up to heaven as soon as he passed.. Now here is another passage from the book of 1st Thesselonians 4:16 King James Bible For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: And the dead in Christ shall rise first... Now this passage points to ressurection happening only when the Trumpet sounds a.k.a the second Coming of Jesus.. Meanwhile in the book of Luke 23:43.. Heres what Jesus told the other criminal on the cross; Luke 23:43 New International Version (NIV) 43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Meaning that the criminal went straight to heaven on that fateful day now known as Easter... But John 5: 28.29 says John 5:28,29 “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” Meaning that the time for Heaven and Hell is yet to come... Meanwhile... Heres what Ecclesiatics 9:5 - 6 has to say about death; Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 King James Version (KJV) 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Now if this is saying that the dead know not anything, doesnt that contracdict the whole point of the afterlife|heaven|& hell?! It even says that they have no more portion in anything this is done under the sun.. Infact, heres what verse 10 of the same chapter of Ecclesiastes says; Ecclesiastes 9:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. No knowledge, No wisdom in the grave! Hmmm... So if I will have no knowledge in the grave, whats the point of scaring me with hell that I wouldnt even know of?! [b]SUMMARY::This question has no answers as far as the bible is concerned.. Some parts of the bible says 'It is appointed unto a man once to odie, and after that judgement'. But we have people who claim to have died and resurected from the grave after some days.. Infact, Jesus raised several people from the dead in the bible.. Now the question is, where those people he raised from the dead already in Heaven or Hell when he respawned them?! MEANWHILE:: Other parts of the same bible says that until after the Second coming, Rapture, The Great Tribulation & Judgement day, everybody will remain locked 6-feet beneath the surface.. Even Jesus didnt go to heaven after crusifixion until the 3rd day when he rose up and floted into heaven.. Then What about Prophet ELijah that went straight to heaven in a flaming chariot?! What about the Todays Christians who keep claiming to have died and gone to heaven and even seen people that they recognized.. How does this tally with the scriptures according to Ecclesisates?! The Bible is just a twisted book, for twisted people with twisted minds.. [/b] |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by pof600: 4:14pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Uclloyd28: What will one have 2 do to make heaven please? Going by what I've been told, majority of people won't make heaven and if that's the case, why did Christ shed his blood for our sins then. I really need answers please I'm sorry to inform you heaven doesn't exist. That is the true reality. Anything else is not true. You stand better chance of living a very happy life than a miserable deluded person if you manage to reject religion. Heaven & hell doesn't exist. |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by phayvoursky(m): 4:15pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
azibit: 1. After burial, the grave tightens up and presses the dead. ABEG. WHERE DID U HEAR THIS KIND STORY... .hohohohohohho hehehehehehehehehehe kikikikikikikikikikiik |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 4:20pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
sanniemoe: To answer you my brother first there are the children of the kingdom and the children of darkeness, the children of the kingdom are desendants while those of darkness are acsendants from the pit of hell a will desend back there while the children of the kingdom will acsend back to where they desended from, now aldof was not a desendant but an acsendant, Jesus is the only way the truth and the life, he knows his sheep, for example u are a farmer and u planted corn buh only to find out that there are weeds also buh did u plant them ? No buh u just discovered they grew along with your corn then at the end of the day u hrvest ut corn and burnt the weeds, that's how it is for the children of God and the children of darkness u can read matt 13 vs 24 -30 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’” |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Katier00(f): 4:51pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Pleasant stream: Just as he has said Ecclesiastes 12:7 shed light on this matter.see process o |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by SwTonia(f): 4:55pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Talking abt death i lost ma sister yastaday |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 5:11pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Pleasant stream: Just as he has said Ecclesiastes 12:7 shed light on this matter. You are right about the fact that the majority of mankind will stay here right on earth. But that Christ will rule here on earth and not in heaven is a very big error. Christ's throne will be firmly established in heaven and in the company of the 144,000 (people who have been chosen from the human race), Christ will rule over mankind on earth. It is at this period that mankind shall be returned to the state of perfection. This rule will last for a thousand years. 1 Like |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by sureway1(m): 5:11pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Azibit Azibit Azibit... how many times did l called you? stop taking alomo and lgbo at a go under hot sun...it dangerous and affect human reasoning.. |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 5:15pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
leorayvon: Who are the children of darkness and who made that their destiny? Who are the children of light and who made that their destiny? You paint the scenario as if some are born destined to be children of darkness. I think that is very wrong. As for the verses that you quoted, I can guarantee that you do not even understand the meaning of the verses themselves. If you did you would realize that you have just misapplied it. 1 Like |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by BobUg1: 5:19pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Heaven is real and hell fire is real too....beware u atheist!!! |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Osoldier: 5:27pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
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Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by akpos4uall(m): 5:31pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
This link has more light on this question as well as several quotes stated already www.roadtobetterliving.com/HTML/StateOfDead.html |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by salt1: 5:35pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
SwTonia: Talking abt death i lost ma sister yastaday Just yesterday? So sorry about your loss, my dear! May God console you and your family. I just whispered a prayer on your behalf |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by dionflex: 5:38pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
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Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by HUGES: 5:39pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
There is no time in the spirit realm (so like the bible will say, a 1000yrs in our world wld b lik jst a day in God's eyes). So I think my ppl who have died many yrs ago will think they jst blinked their eyes in a sleep wen God's judgement day comes, jst lik u sleep for abt 5 - 7hrs and wen u wake it looks like u jst close ur eyes and opend it. Dat's cos u loosed consiousness wen u sleep. So I dont think one can ever fully fathom spiritual things using human understanding. Even apostle Paul said "we know in part" and those things we know are the things that please God to reveal in us mostly thru scriptures but also thru revelations. 1 Like |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by salt1: 5:40pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
pof600: You are wrong dear. Even your conscience tells you that man is more than a physical being. And who told you that my faith makes me miserable? Go and read as much as you can on research. Those who have faith in God have been found to be happier, more focused people with better quality relationships and support networks. They also cope better with life's frustrations and are not prone to suicide. And to add to this is the hope of a paradise to go after here! Talk of bumper return on investment! Can't think of anything better! |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Sagamite(m): 5:43pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
It appears you will be sitting at the gates of heaven for another billion years waiting for the world to end and judgement day. That heaven must be worth the long wait. |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by salt1: 5:53pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Uclloyd28: What will one have 2 do to make heaven please? Going by what I've been told, majority of people won't make heaven and if that's the case, why did Christ shed his blood for our sins then. I really need answers please You're right. Many people will not accept God's offer but don't be discouraged for Jesus said there are many mansions. The steps as outlined in the Bible are very simple 1. accept you are a sinner 2. Confess those sins to God with a determination not to go back to them again. That means you promise God on your knees that you will not do those evil deeds again 3. Receive God's offer of mercy offered in jesus name. Don't think your sins are so many or so hideous that God cannot forgive you 4. As you pray with a broken and repentant heart, God will lift the condemnation you feel and replace it with peace and joy. You will know that you have been forgiven because you will literally hate to do anything that will hurt God. If you were a chain smoker, the smell of cigarette will be nauseous to you. Try it! You can kneel by your bedside this night and pray the prayer of the publican: God be merciful to me, a sinner! God will forgive you and you will know it |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by salt1: 5:55pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Sagamite: It appears you will be sitting at the gates of heaven for another billion years waiting for the world to end and judgement day. The heaven described in the Bible is cheap at any price! Even if I have to wait for a billion years to get in there, it will be more than worth the wait |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by johnnyblakes(m): 5:56pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Fili_Dei: @ OP,i hate catholic teachings |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by irokobest(m): 5:57pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
MEILYN: this is blasphemy. Prove it 4rm the Bible? The dead will remain silent and unconscious in the grave until the time of resurrection, which is the act of God Almighty in bringing the dead back to life. It is for the purpose of securing for man the privilege of resurrection that Christ came, died and rose again. Resurrection is the basis of the Christian faith. (1 Corinthians 15: 12-22) Thousands of years ago, Job, a prophet of God declared: "O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!" (Job 14:13) He then posed the question: "IF A MAN DIE, SHALL HE LIVE AGAIN?" He followed up with the answer. "ALL THE DAYS OF MY APPOINTED TIME WILL I WAIT, TILL MY CHANGE COME." (Job 14:14, 15) The "change" spoken of by Job is the resurrection. The period Job must wait "until his change comes" is the period of death. In other words the dead must wait in the grave until the resurrection. (Job 17:13-16). This contrasts with reincarnation, transmigration and similar teachings which imply a continuous life which never really ceases.www.mountaingks.org |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Nobody: 6:01pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
princefunmi: If ur understand jer 1 vs 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations., see before the creation of the world God already saw how the end of time will be,he knew the number of his children matt 10 vs 29 excatly what God told Adam, matt 10 :29 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. And luke 21 : 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish., if u don't see were am coming from then u will think I missinterpert, God who for knew you he predestines, satans plan is to take a large part of God children to lake of fire with him , God who is all knowing then allow tares to grow also to deceive the devil so the devil will think its Gods people he is deceving, if u know GOD eheen , you will know that nothing takes him un awares just as jesus said to some people in john 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV) 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. You will also ask y did jesus say they are from beneth and who destined them! |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by CAPTIVATOR: 6:10pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
Osama10: First of all what are you people going to do in heaven?....MY BRO....DATS D FAKE LIE DAT PASTORS NWADAYS GIVE TO PEOPLE WHEN INDEED D BIBLE SHOWS DAT ONLY 144,000 are going to Heaven nd dey are to Rule as kings with Jesus Christ(Rev 5:9,10; 20:4)...While d remanin Earth Population dat are QUALIFIED to be ressurected will b on earth(Psalm 72:7,8 ;Isaiah 45:18; Isaiah 9:6,7; Matthew 5:5) In Gods new Paradise On Earth (Matthew 6:9,10; Revelation 21:3-5) |
Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by salt1: 6:10pm On Sep 17, 2013 |
pof600: Sadly, there's no hell & heaven. Your little god in the sky doesn't exist either. People with low IQ are more likely to be religious than people with high IQ. Now this is not a coincidence is it? People with far higher IQ than you believed what you now believe but experience has taught them better and they have eaten their words I will be waiting as this unique experience happens to you too! |
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