MetaPhysical: Ive been coming in from time to time and reading. Prexios and tpia, please keep it easy.

You each have a different style, one is emotionally driven by air and the other by fire. You should have good combustion on the discussion but unfortunately thats not the case. Dont extinguish each other's drive. You are sharing what you know with audience, you are not competing with who is authority on the subject.

MetaPhysical: Ive been coming in from time to time and reading. Prexios and tpia, please keep it easy.

You each have a different style, one is emotionally driven by air and the other by fire. You should have good combustion on the discussion but unfortunately thats not the case. Dont extinguish each other's drive. You are sharing what you know with audience, you are not competing with who is authority on the subject.

tpia@:
prexios is showing his sense of humour.

we can continue with the topic now, if there's more to be said.

prexios: Thank God you are back. tpia had been questioning my interpretation to wit. I don't know what to do. it's deja vu all over again, he was expectant of Jim Iyke in prexios shadow.sukeee. i am delivered by geez. i feel so much better now, the moderator has come. Welcome.

tpia@:
yes, post contributions to the topic, unless there's nothing more to be said.

and remember, nobody holds a monopoly of either nairaland or knowledge.

rokkiiwazobia:
Why can't Yoruba's be black from the beginning? Why should we ascribe our culture and traditions to some white person somewhere. Which part of Yoruba culture and history is understood by Europeans? We have been black from time, deal with it. Black Africa and people weren't always this poor and wretched. Do please stop trying to brain wash us with white supremacy. Oyinbo can also mean light skinned hamitic person or an albino which I doubt any of the Orishas were.

^^Let's move farward. The Yoruba ancestors were not blacks, thats my opinion. I'm entitle to that. Meanwhile this fact was not discuss in any Yoruba tradition because Yoruba metamophoused to being blacks over a long stretch of time. If we understood 'shi' as darkened or weathered, then the word 'ako-si-bero' gave us an idea of 'wholesale blackness' that the emigrants experienced as a resault of resettlement. The veiled enigma behind the word is, Yoruba language is conscious of such change. Now to me, the word shi is my princess, if I don't adore this word, I would be incapable of conceiving the notion that Yoruba use to be non-black. i don't have the luxury of aclaiming whatever cross my mind, but the few incredible claims i holds may not have obvious anchor than to one Yoruba impounderable word and then my instinct. i can't make my reader buy my argument and i wont throw out my princess to please anyone.

lawani:

How is oshi (doh doh) is poverty. Shi (mih) is peel off or uncover as in Month shi abo I uncovered the plate or O shi m o mi lara It stained me not black at all.

The only point you made that I can see was on another thread about the saying owo orisa la fi nwo aafin. We respect an albino with the respect due an orisa and many of our founding fathers were orisa. I don't understand your point about the word shi as iy does not mean black. Words for a poor man includes akuuse, otosi and etc. Poverty is ise (do mi) or oshi (do do) they don't mean black.

lawani:

How is oshi (doh doh) is poverty. Shi (mih) is peel off or uncover as in Month shi abo I uncovered the plate or O shi m o mi lara It stained me not black at all.

The only point you made that I can see was on another thread about the saying owo orisa la fi nwo aafin. We respect an albino with the respect due an orisa and many of our founding fathers were orisa. I don't understand your point about the word shi as iy does not mean black. Words for a poor man includes akuuse, otosi and etc. Poverty is ise (do mi) or oshi (do do) they don't mean black.

2prexios:


People used o ti shi to mean she has become skin burnt when I was growing up. Then bleaching seems to be the fad.

So if someone those women used to know fall into bad time and were not able to keep toning, they become blackened.

if they come around later on in their new look, once they are gone, the women start saying

'a beeri 'ya lagbaja? O ti shi!'
'shi', as used here mean blackened.

The ancient Yoruba were familiar with several skin hue, but our forebears scarcely entertained such knowledge.

Take amosun for instance, it means 'a mo sun' this means 'originally white but tanned'. Sun is burnt, isn't it?

Amo is the Opposite of Osi. Clean is mimo, it also stand for fair skin with the ancient Yoruba, whiteskin is ofun.

The Yoruba speaks of Olokun as 'amo lowo, a mo lese, a mo timo timo' Olokun belonged to white Yoruba.

The verse on Olokun in IFA was set to 'Odu Ofun', o fun is a form of 'o-fun-fun', la-fun (a richly white substant).

And from there comes efun (chalk). People with this name also reminiscent the fact of the racial diversity in Yoruba.

A good hero of the white is Ela, hence it is said efunyela, meaning the white befits Ela. Then Odubela 'black begot Ela'

As to racial diversity, Yoruba language described all shades of pigmentations known to us. We are the ones to learn.

No student teach a teacher emeritus.

lawani:

You are talking like a non native speaker

shi (mi) is the one you are talking about and shi (doh) is the one in oshi meaning poverty. They are totally different. The Odu Ofun is talking about giving in my opinion. Ofun means giver. And Odu Ofun meji talks about Obatala who is seen as benevolent but I am not an expert. Efun is chalk, so it may mean chalk of any colour but mainly white chalk. Funfun is white. Efunyela will mean Wealth goes along with the white chalk. The white chalk represents a deity that was much reverred in the past, it may be Obatala.

That expression O ti shi used in that context have never been encountered by me. That is not a common Yoruba expression. O ti bo ra is used to mean bleaching.

^^Let's move farward. The Yoruba ancestors were not blacks, thats my opinion. I'm entitle to that. Meanwhile this fact was not discuss in any Yoruba tradition because Yoruba metamophoused to being blacks over a long stretch of time. If we understood 'shi' as darkened or weathered, then the word 'ako-si-bero' gave us an idea of 'wholesale blackness' that the emigrants experienced as a resault of resettlement. The veiled enigma behind the word is, Yoruba language is conscious of such change. Now to me, the word shi is my princess, if I don't adore this word, I would be incapable of conceiving the notion that Yoruba use to be non-black. i don't have the luxury of aclaiming whatever cross my mind, but the few incredible claims i holds may not have obvious anchor than to one Yoruba impounderable word and then my instinct. i can't make my reader buy my argument and i wont throw out my princess to please anyone.