Gombs:


Wow, this story is very believable , but...
When a man is a Judge and Jury in HIS OWN court!
I term that as "A serious case of desperation"

Sir, you can do better! The lies are not convinceable!

Gombs: What gladdens my heart is that NO MATTER the number of threads anti tithers open on a daily basis, irrespective of how they twist the topic to try and buy solidarity for their cause, they ALWAYS fail. The other thread where they opened to give testimonies about stopping tithing is a good example. Almost all comments are pro tithers. Funny enough, pro tithers don't proliferate threads ie open threads daily asking folks to tithe. God cannot be mocked. He knows his own. He is watching you all!

Name one anti tithe Church that has a global congregation! Or let's leave global level, how many of them have influence (membership base) in the country?

What's even more baffling is that, these tithing churches has brethren that are a million time smarter than folks who seem smart, by saying pastors eat tithes. I'm very smart, I don't do things I know don't work.

In other words, I'm saying to Goshen, Kunle, Christembassey, and their crew are your churches bigger and better than

RCCG
WINNERS
ECWA
COCIN
BAPTIST
METHODIST
CHURCH OF GOD MISSION
DUNAMIS
KICC
SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATION
CHRIST EMBASSY
ANGLICAN
CATHOLIC
DLBC
Just to mention a few

If you belong to any of the above churches and you still don't tithe, because you think you are smarter than those that do, I can understand why, but then let's watch and see how we all(tithers and anti tithers) end.


Emmm, Kunle, Candour has been unusually quiet lately. Hope he is in Good health?

Candour:



I'm very fine my friend and in perfect health. Nice of you to ask. Just being unusually busy these days.

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Now according to your twisted logic above, until a 'Church' is big and visible like the ones you listed above, they are not of God. Jesus Christ our Savior must have been a 'failure' in your world because after a whole 3 years of ministry, he had only 120 disciples waiting in the upper room for the Holy Ghost.

Then God too doesn't know how to bring people to holiness because at the time of Prophet Elijah, only 7000 Israelites were true to Yahweh while the congregations of Baal were bursting at the seams.

Then Paul too was a failure because when he wrote to timothy, he complained that he was alone as all had abandoned him. People like Demas and co(probably they went collecting tithes as Paul didn't permit it ).

The Catholic Church doesnt even push tithes the way you do so dont group them together with those pentecostal Churches listed up there. Even the tithes they collected in the past paid for the free schools and hospitals your parents and my parents including the parents of your gods of men enjoyed. Yet none of your churches today can boast of even free primary schools.

If size is what matters, i wonder why you're not with the Catholic Church which is so big that the Pope is equivalent to a head of state and has embassies in all countries. Of course that must mean the Catholic Church has smarter people than all those other Churches you listed above combined together

smartness doesnt mean a thing my friend. we've seen educated people who are dumb. For instance, do you know Ayman Al Zawahiri, the number 2 to Osama is a medical doctor? Do you know Osama himself was a billionaire who had a masters? Do you know how many professors who lectured you and your gods of men are atheists? Do you know Mohammed Atta, the ring leader of 9/11 hijack was on his way to a Phd in Engineering? but his smartness didn't prevent him from that very dumb act. my dear smart people do very dumb things too which explains the 'smart' people who can't read their bibles but wait for a smooth talking dude to give them his own interpretation.

My dear, God doesn't measure spirituality with size or smartness. That is why he chose the wretched of the earth to push the gospel and if you read the history of the early Church, those poor peasants and slaves brought the great Roman empire to its knees. see what Christ said

Matt 7:13-14
'Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:[/b]14.Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and [b]few there be that find it'

I hope your large gathering is narrow enough to fit into the strait gate? otherwise all your tithing and seed sown will only buy you a very big space on the road leading to destruction.[/s]

Gombs:

Alright



Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

Even if he had just 120 folks, he said we would do MUCH MORE than He did if we believe.

Paul was the Bishop(like general overseer) of the 7 Churches in Asia and beyond...timothy was the Pastor of the ephesian church! Go study about Polycarp, iganatius, etc imagine the number of brethren he(Paul) had!

Infact your writ has no point but the usual lies

See as you lovingly described tithes in the Catholic church. why then don't you tithe? Abi the one they collect
is not tithe again? Come to St Murumba's Catholic Church here and see as Father Gyang ALWAYS encourage his flock to pay their tithes.

I gave up at your concluding speech. So the bigger the church the narrower it gets to fit into the 'strait gate'?

Lol

christemmbassey: may b u don't know, or u r very dishonest. It is open secret dat in most churches in nigeria pastor owns d church n church money. So no need to form innocent here, if anybody should b mindful of judgement, it should b d fraudsters who r so hard hearted as to also steal from d widows, poor and orphans. Church workers r nt levites, don't decieve urself, oderwise, they suppose to collect tithes from members n pay tithe of tithe to pastor, or is it what they do in ur church? Try to b honest at least to urself, how many times has ur church help d widows, poor n orphans in a year if at all in comparison to d monthly ' i love my pastor' and sunday sunday prophet offerings, keying into and taping of annointing scam etc etc . Why we call most tithe collecjors thieves and robbers is bc of d same trick u av tried to use here, pls read ur post again, u 'll see dat it has d character of ur(tithe collectors) stock in trade, intimidations, threats, twists, ambushes, and clear dishonesty. Do u know there is God? N dat he's watching us!

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

swtchicgurl:

It does not matter how many or how much 'pastors' or 'men of God' that abuse this issue of tithing/giving, the standard of God will never change! 2 Timothy 2:19



God bless.

christemmbassey: what is the stamard of God, defrauding widows and orphans in d name of abolished tithe? I asked u a question, how many times in d year do u assist widows and orphans and d poor in comparison to monthly 'i love my pastor', after sermon-prophet offerings, seed sowing, annointing taping and keying-into scam u do every sunday for pastors. Intead of u to help these needy ppl u rob them with mal3:8-10. God will start judgement in the church in nigeria

Candour:

Those 5000 and 3000 were carnal people who were running after Jesus because of bread and fish just like you're running after Christ today for breakthroughs, money and other things. The way you talk about tithes is evidence of that. See what Christ said to those you take as good Christian examples

John 6:26-27
'Jesus answered them and said, verily, verily I say unto you, ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves and were filled.27. Labour not for the meat that perisheth, but for the meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath the father sealed'

See what they eventually did when they heard the truth

John 6:66
'From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him'

You too would stop walking with Christ if you are told the truth that Christianity is not a rose petaled pathway.

And how many disciples do you personally have today?

Your statement also mean that any Church not having a crowd is not a Church sanctioned by God.right?

So Paul lied when he wrote that to Timothy right?

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Let me tell you another lie

Some 1000 smart people followed Rev Jim Jones into mass suicide in 1978 thinking they were following a 'man of God'. Also millions of people world wide followed Rev Moon of the unification church thinking he's the messiah. Even after his death last year, they are still following his vision. So my friend, smartness still does not prevent dumb acts.
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My dear, speaking for myself here, I respect the catholic more than all these your money grabbing Pentecostal churches.

The good they did and still do for the community is evident even to the blind and not so smart people.

So you dont like the catholic church yet you put them in your list? Na wah for you.

Its just the same way I love DLBC using tithes to feed hungry souls at their retreats without asking for special retreat offerings but that doesn't justify tithes for Christians. Freewill giving is what Christianity is about. Everyman as he purposeth in his heart, let him give....

Ask Christ who said only few would be found on the narrow strait road. Abi you stopped reading your bible at that verse too?

P/S; so you be Jos boy? Worked in Jos for over 7 years and played plenty football at st murumba field. I go catch you one of these days

Gombs:

But wait first...why do you like lying? Y do you love twisting scriptures?
Are you saying Jesus fed 5000disciples? Go study again plz

Gombs:

Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

You can't imagine

Try being honest. Where did I say dat?

You said he wrote to timothy that everybody has left him...you can lie jooor. Paul had workers everywhere he went. Faithful men and women and also those who caused him grief. How does that equate to the fact that he had few brethren?

I am God's super intelligentsia,I'm smart, intelligent and I have a sound mind, all because the Holy Spirit dwells in every fibre of my being. He is in my thought and deeds. You should invite him in, He would teach you ALL truth.

And I'm not joking when I said I'm very smart and intelligent. Call it bragging or being braggadocious
, or being whatever...na you sabi. Me I don talk my own-i spoke what I am in Christ

Why?

Who said penticostal churches don't do the above?

You can lie eh! Where did I say I hated or don't like catholics? I say the Nicene and apostles' creed a lot sef! Y wud I hate em?

Why don't you give your tithe freely then?

You too lie abeg! I shd ask Christ shey? SMH

Hard core Jos boy! born and bred. I played football there till I hang boot. I can't wait to catch you, na my area be that. I will get you filled with the Holyspirit.

Gombs: ^^
Funny fellow!

You can twist words eh!

Good thing you have J-Town blood

Gombs: ^^
Funny fellow!

You can twist words eh!

Good thing you have J-Town blood

christemmbassey: Gombs, seriously, why are u like this?

Candour:

Sharp guy......you can run away eh!!

Yes o. Love and miss Jos

Gombs:

How?

christemmbassey: stop pretending, bros, why are u like this?

Gombs:

You want me to stay here and debate whether the 5000 were disciples or carnal men? You mean to say the 5000 men excluding women and children all left him and 120 remained? Is dat what you want me to debate?

Or you want me to strt listing out developing projects of churches other than catholic?

Or debate when tithes came into catholic church?

Or debate...


I can't wallow in these na!

Gombs: Pls show me where I said there must be others? I said the 120 were like leaders.

U can lie abeg.
U said the 5000 were disciples who later left him because they were 'carnal'.


Abeg I cnt continue.

Cheers

Gombs:
Jesus won much souls dan you can ever imagine. He didn't have just 120..u could call the 120 his leaders. That's why he said they shd teach everyone whatsoever thing he has commanded them. What abt the 5000 he fed? What abt those 3000, what abt those he taught by the see of Galilee? Etc

Now according to your twisted logic above, until a 'Church' is big and visible like the ones you listed above, they are not of God. Jesus Christ our Savior must have been a 'failure' in your world because after a whole 3 years of ministry, he had only 120 disciples waiting in the upper room for the Holy Ghost.

Gombs:

Why am I not surprised?

Vultures of same bald head feast together- Mungo Park (1785)