dami_paul: "Jesus is the testator of the new testament. All His words when he came in the flesh, Full of grace and truth is the testament, life, wholesome. Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh...His messages apply to all men"

Are u saying in essence that we're to do all what Jesus said, in ur words 'his messages apply to all men'?
Gal 4:4 clearly states that Jesus was born under the law, meaning he did things under the law abi? Or what do we say to this, does it refer to all men too- Matt 23:1-3 .....the pharisees are the authorized interpreters of the law.. We should do everythign they tell us do (I'm having a vivid imagination of some of those things and I tell u they're not pleasant)

Alwaystrue:
His messages are for all men...you can see that in the scripture I posted and there are lots more. The law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus.

Read the Galatians 4:4 very well and in different versions to understand what made under the law means. He came in Flesh to fulfil the law so he had to be born in subjection to the law...that was the essence, so he can manifest the grace and truth also in the flesh....I.e while on earth.

The Pharisees did not even interprete the laws well and that is why they did not do as the should which Jesus corrected.

Jesus came to fulfil the law in its righteous interpretation not as done in the letter but of the spirit. Romans 8:3-4
I have some previous posts which I can paste for you to study beside scriptures, if you are interested.

dami_paul: A couple of months back, I decided to differentiate between human doctrine and God’s doctrine, between scriptures that are only meant for reproof and those that are meant for doctrine (2 Tim 3:16), not just for myself but also for my children and my generation. I did it prayerfully.
My quest lead to discoveries, series of them I tell you. Pls read without bias, and don't try to replace logic, sense, with spirituality, instead, expantiate the sense it makes spiritually. Help me bring this first stage of my discovery to conclusion.

Alwaystrue:
Luke 16:16
Until John the Baptist, the law of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. BUT NOW the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is eager to get in

John the baptist was the first person to preach repentance and the gospel of the Kingdom of God heralding the New Testament:
Matthew 3:1,2
In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea
2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

Jesus preached repentance and the gospel of the kingdom:
Matthew 4:17
From then on Jesus began to preach, "Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near."

Jesus told the disciples when He was leaving earth that they should also preach repentance and teh gospel of the Kingdom:
Mark 16:15,16
15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned

He, however, promised to send ANOTHER Comforter to guide us in all truth and remind us of His words:
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I have said unto you

People had refused to heed the word of God so God had to send JESUS, HIS WORD in THE FLESH FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH (John 1) to testify of what and how exactly God wanted His will to be done....the laws of the spirit... and his blood was the convenant seal of the testament....some people still do not heed to Jesus:

John 12:49
For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak

John 17:14,17
14 I have given them THY WORD; and the WORLD HATH HATED THEM, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: THY WORD IS TRUTH


For all those who want to understand what TRUTH is, there you have it....THE WHOLE WORDS OF JESUS (THE WORD OF GOD) ARE THE TRUTH...anyone who thinks Jesus words are Old Testament and discard it are in the greatest deception ever and do not believe Jesus.

swtchicgurl:

I'm a little concerned with the bolded part. I understand what you mean, but I want to you know that when it comes to the Bible and spirituality, 'logic' and 'common sense' can be defied.

Alwaystrue: @OP,
Just an excerpt from another thread to aid your studies:



The New testament as shown in the bible is correct for Jesus is our new guide in the will of His Father as seen in HIS TESTAMENT.

Goshen360: @ OP,

I still have this thread in mind o. My schedule still occupied. We will put Matthew to John where they rightly belong and teach what was going on in Matthew to John. Then, we will use the revelation of the New Testament to understand\teach\reveal the messages of Christ in Matthew to John.

dami_paul:

I appreciate your time and insight, thanks a lot. Just tell me how these two passages relate to us:
Luke 5:12 Once Jesus was in a town where there was a man who was suffering from a dreaded skin disease. When he saw Jesus, he threw himself down and begged him, “Sir, if you want to, you can make me clean!”[t]
13 Jesus reached out and touched him. “I do want to,” he answered. “Be clean!” At once the disease left the man.

14 Jesus ordered him, “Don't tell anyone, but go straight to the priest and let him examine you; then to prove to everyone that you are cured, offer the sacrifice as Moses ordered.” Emphasis on verse 14pls.
And the second- Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples. 2 “The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees are the authorized interpreters of Moses' Law. 3 So you must obey and follow everything they tell you to do; do not, however, imitate their actions, because they don't practice what they preach.

Alwaystrue: @ Swtchicgurl,
I believe the whole of Jesus Christ is important.

His Life which is the way, truth, light and life still.
His Death that sealed His testament and is the sacrifice for sin blotting away transgressions
His Resurrection which is the manifestation of Eternal Life in full.

Afterall the bible says if Jesus did not resurrect our faith is in vain. I Cor. 15:14

Thank you for the other scriptures. Very enlightening.

Alwaystrue: @swtchicgurl,
I understand what you were saying but attempted to put it in an easier to understand perspective.
I went on to study other parts of John 1 that shows Jesus as the true light which you referenced from the OT. There are so many insights in the scriptures because they are inspired by God. Truly the scriptures cannot be broken.
The Holy Spirit also bears witness to the word of God and that is why He always guides us.
How the whole OT & NT can be summarised into the size of the bible we carry is simply a miracle and speaks God.

'To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to [a]atone for) THOSE who were subject to the Law, that WE might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God’s sons].'

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^
Amen

What amazes me about that scripture you quoted is where Paul used the highlighted:



See how Paul changes from 'THOSE' to 'WE'....It means it is continuous, there are still 'those subject to the law' even till today and it is until they Believe Jesus Christ that they can be termed 'WE'.

For the bible has said that they that are led by the Spirit are not 'under the law' - Galatians 5:18

swtchicgurl: Gal. 4:1-4

"Now what I mean is that as long as the inheritor (heir) is a child and under age, he does not differ from a slave, although he is the master of all the estate;

2 But he is under guardians and administrators or trustees until the date fixed by his father.

3 So we [Jewish Christians] also, when we were minors, were kept like slaves under [the rules of the Hebrew ritual and subject to] the elementary teachings of a system of external observations and regulations.

4 But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,

5 To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to [a]atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God’s sons]."

Again, John 2:4,

Jesus said to her, [[a]Dear] woman, what is that to you and to Me? [What do we have in common? Leave it to Me.] My time (hour to act) has not yet come.

Then, Matthew 5:17,

'Do not think that I have come to do away with or [ab]undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.'

Now you see why the gospels should be in New Testament?