Law-confessor:
Biko, i no see dis thread for fp again- abi i no dey see wella again or is d heading changed?

philip0906:
Stop playing hide and seek with your self. . .read my posts above before you jump into a lagoon

logica: Oh yeah? Abolished by who? Did you read my first post on the order Pope Urban II in (1099) gave the Crusaders about killing the Muslims (infidels) in Jerusalem? Maybe Urban II did not get the memo, or you know something he doesn't know eh? OK, you don't history anyway...

Annie2gud: the jesus i know,cant give such ORDER.

Seun: Didn't he once whip some traders and scatter their wares for trading in the temple?

John 2:13-22

vanhelsing:

I'm not even sweating.... Your religion is a one size fits all...you can just sit in the corner of your room and concoct theories for what you know nothing about.

philip0906:
Sorry to burst your burble, the pope or whatever, is not the symbol of christianity neither are we christians bound to any pope. SO if the pope decides to wipe out infidels, that's his own problemo. GO read about Marthin Luther and understand how he vehemently opposed some of the ills by the catholic church.
The Bible is our guide and standard, so quote me some Bible not some pope. The Bible has clearly told us as new testament believers, that murder is a sin and all murderers shall have their part in the lake of fire which burneth with fire and brimstone.

logica: Martin Luther that came up in 1483 - 1546? Sorry to BURST YOUR MEGA FAT BUBBLE, but the Popes of the Roman Catholics will forever have a grip on Christianity as they even gave you your fvcking Bible in the first place! See this mugu o! Who gave you the Bible? Who did King Constantine assemble at the First Council of Nicea to vote on which chapters made up the Bible? Was it Martin Luther? Or were there any Protestants present?

philip0906:
You can whine for all you care, but the truth is For any true christian, the Bible is the standard and not some white wearing pope.
I don't know the bible you are arguing about, but my Bible was neither written by the pope nor by constantine, but by men inspired by God himself from Moses down to Paul and John.
I see how you have unintelligently left the arguement which is mainly Bible centric and dragging other things into the thread.

logica: [s]LMAO. Fvcking mugu. The men inspired by God are no more than King Constantine and his Council of Nicea which consisted of the big names in Christendom at the time; long before Martin Luther. Go and get acquainted with history dude; speaking of whining, does your teacher in school whine when teaching you? I am handing out lessons here; just learn and keep mum.[/s]

For your information, the Book of John was not written by John (Jesus' supposed disciple), neither were the books of Matthew and Mark. These books were all written several hundred years after the death of Christ; and the likelihood of these men surviving for 200+ years to write books is, I can quite tell you absolute zero.

Sijo01:


Ride on Brother!

vanhelsing: It's funny when christians decide on the part of their bible they want to believe in...Please you should tear this Parts out if you think it is false and don't even try to provide baseless rationalizations for it. If the god of the bible exists then he's a tyrannical, diabolical, genocidal, jealous, narcissistic being.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
 
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
 
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
 
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.  (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
 
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
 
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.  (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
 
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
 
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
 
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.  (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
 
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
 
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
 
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
 
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)
 
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him.  Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you.  You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery.  And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.  (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
 
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden.  When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.  (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
 
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men.  During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name.  So the man was brought to Moses for judgment.  His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan.  They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.  Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head.  Then let the entire community stone him to death.  Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished.  Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel.  Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.  (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
 
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles,  and the predicted signs or miracles take place.  If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them.  The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul.  Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone.  Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.  The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt.  Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.  (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
 
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.'  You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?'  If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message.  That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared.  (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
 
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired.  As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.  Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies.  So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever.  Amen.  That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires.  Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.  And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other.  Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.  When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.  Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.  They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.  They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.  They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.  They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway.  And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.  (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
 
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites.  You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment.  They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it.  Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again.  Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.'  (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
 
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever.  It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.  Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.  Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.  Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest.  I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

philip0906:
Oh my Goodness, can you please throw more light on the @bolded? you just finally nailed yourself seems like i am in for some history class from the almighty logica.Wanted to stay away from derailing the thread, but you've left me with no choice. Tell me something.Please lecture me with proofs. . .I am waiting

The Gospel According to John (Greek τὸ κατὰ Ἰωάννην εὐαγγέλιον), commonly referred to as the Gospel of John or simply John, is an anonymous account of the public ministry of Jesus. It begins with the witness and affirmation of John the Baptist and concludes with the death, burial, resurrection, and post-resurrection appearances of Jesus. This account is fourth of the canonical gospels, after the synoptics (Matthew, Mark and Luke), and is often referred to in New Testament scholarship as the Fourth Gospel.
Chapter 21 states that the book derives from the testimony of the 'disciple whom Jesus loved.' Along with Peter, the unnamed disciple is especially close to Jesus, and early church tradition identified him as John the Apostle, one of Jesus' Twelve Apostles. The gospel is closely related in style and content to the three surviving Epistles of John such that commentators treat the four books,[1] along with the Book of Revelation, as a single body of Johannine literature. According to most modern scholars, however, John was not the author of any of these books.[2]

logica:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

I really cannot help you further, as if you do want enlightenment, you must do it yourself. Just go read up more on the Synoptic Gospels.

Though the three Synoptic Gospels share a considerable amount of text, over 90% of John's Gospel is unique to him

crystalballs:

One of the duties of your god is to kill?

Iceman296: ..I don't know where you Guys get all these Questions From, They are So "Unchristain"

blink182: Jesus is as meek as a sheep and will not give such an order.

philip0906:
Bro i told you you shot yourself in the leg by bringing up that baseless and unfounded claim not proven by anyone but merely the views and expressions of folks like you and I. You now gave me a link that does no justice to your claims cos this also appears- on numerous occasions pointing to John as the author. You probably did not read it. right?
Please don't go about pasting unvalidated theories

logica: One really cannot force open the eye of the blind, eh? Stay blind.

Joel Felix: I will go and do it as far as his the one that give me the command.

Sijo01:

The below are some of the reason for such orders.

Exodus 22 v 18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
Exodus 21 v 15 - And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death
Leviticus 20 v 13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

(All KJV)





Try give some Bible reference and lets see is there is no justification for such orders.

Mr Aboki:


Coin it how you like...

Justifiable or not, God ordered the Isrealites to Kill.. #Period.

In some cases, God emphasized that the killing must include Man, Women & Children.

You need examples;

1. “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the Lord your God”(Deuteronomy 20:16–18, NASB).

Remember that this was their land. God promised the Isrealites a Land that belonged to others as their promised Land and instructed them to kill off every living thing in these lands and take it.. #If you call it justifiable killing, then I say Clap for yourself.. You can say that because you are not on the side that is being justifiably killed.

2. Ezekiel 9:5-7 _{King James Version (KJV)}

5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

3. "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

Funny enough, Babylon whooped them in this battle..






Are you convinced now or should I keep going..




Allahu Akbar!

papushki:


U keep quoting from d old testament .. Dive into d New testament and bring out examples