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David Did Not Kill Goliath by amodu(m): 11:07am On Nov 10, 2013
This was culled from vanguard news article; discrepancy of the highest order.

By Femi Aribisala
The same “infallible” bible also credits the killing
of Goliath to Elhanan, one of David’s mighty men.
One of the myths of Christianity is the infallibility
of the bible. Quoting Paul, some Christians insist
every word in the bible is “God-breathed.” (2
Timothy 3:16). When you identify contradictions
in the bible, they either refuse to acknowledge
them or try to rationalise them away with
highfalutin apologetics. However, these
apologetics have not made the contradictions
disappear. All they do is establish that these
bible-fanatics are not committed to the truth.
Christians generally believe little David killed
mighty Goliath, according to the “infallible”
account of 1 Samuel 17:50-51. This feat is
drummed into us from childhood. We act in plays
celebrating David’s victory. We listen to sermons
extolling his achievement. However, the same
“infallible” bible also credits the killing of Goliath
to Elhanan, one of David’s mighty men. This
contradiction leads to the inevitable conclusion
that while the bible might indeed be a highly
inspired book, it is nevertheless not infallible.
Bible discrepancies
2 Samuel says: “There was another battle with
the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair
from Bethlehem killed Goliath from Gath.” (2
Samuel 21:19). This record of Elhanan (as
opposed to David) killing Goliath can be found in
the following bible translations among many
others: New International Version (NIV);
American Standard Version (ASV); New American
Standard Bible (NASB); New American Standard
Bible, Updated Edition (NASU); The Amplified
Bible (AMP); Revised Standard Version (RSV);
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV); and
Today’s English Version (TEV).
Other bible translations of the same 2 Samuel
21:19 say Elhanan killed “the brother of Goliath.”
These translations include the King James
Version (KJV); New King James Version (NKJV);
The Living Bible (TLB); and New Living
Translation (NLT).
Of the latter, the New King James Version is
remarkably unreliable. As a matter of policy,
King James sometimes adds its own words to
bible verses, effectively doctoring their meaning.
In its own defence, it warns its readers in its
introductory pages that: “words or phrases in
italics indicate expressions in the original
language which require clarification by
additional English words.” The need for such
dubious “clarification” led the New King James
Version to alter 2 Samuel 21:19 as follows: “Again
there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where
Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the
Bethlehemite killed THE BROTHER OF Goliath
the Gittite.”
Although the translation says Elhanan slew “the
brother of Goliath;” the words “the brother of”
are written in italics, indicating that they do not
appear in the original Hebrew text but were
added at the discretion of NKJV translators. This
leads to the following conclusion: either the
original Hebrew of 2 Samuel 21:9 was not
infallible, or the doctored 2 Samuel 21:9 of NKJV
is not infallible. Whichever is the case, it means
the bible is not infallible. The bible is a book
written and compiled by men; and men are not
infallible.
Who killed Goliath?
However, my purpose here is not just to
demonstrate the fallibility of the bible. Bible-
worshipping Christians will always reject that
fact no matter what. My purpose is to determine
if David killed Goliath. Faced with the dilemma of
contradictions between 1 and 2 Samuel, the
author of 1 Chronicles, written centuries after 2
Samuel; says: “There was another battle with the
Philistines, and Elhanan son of Jair killed Lahmi,
the brother of Goliath from Gath.” (1 Chronicles
20:5).
The question then arises as to which version we
are going to believe? Should we believe the
classical position that David killed Goliath, or
should we believe the equally biblical position
that Elhanan killed Goliath?
For a number of reasons, the account stating that
David killed Goliath is the less believable. It is in
the tradition of kings and rulers to take credit for
other people’s achievements under their
kingdom. David was no exception to this. For
example, when Joab captured Rabbah, he
tactfully gave the credit to David. David himself
went along with this charade and pretended that
he was the one who took the city. (2 Samuel
12:26-31).
It would appear that originally the killing of
Goliath was part and parcel of a collection of
tales extolling the exploits of David’s mighty men
of war known as “The Thirty.” Elhanan was one
of them. He distinguished himself by killing a
mighty Philistine called Goliath. But in the
process of magnifying the great King David, his
substitution as the killer of Goliath was not long
in coming.
Saul and David
The account of David killing Goliath is so full of
contradictions that it is clear it is the fabricated
version. One of the problems with the account
has to do with the inability of bible-writers to
determine precisely when David first met Saul.
We are told that when Saul transgressed against
the Lord, God sent an evil spirit to trouble him. (1
Samuel 16:14). Someone then recommended to
Saul that he should hire David to play the harp,
offering the dubious thesis that soothing music is
a demon-repellent. But then the man
recommending David said something strange: he
extolled David, a young teenager who was not
even old enough to be in the army, as a man of
war: “I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite,
who is skillful in playing, a mighty man of valor, a
man of war.” (1 Samuel 16:18).
This description is a giveaway. It is obviously
written after the fact. There is no basis for
describing David, a youth keeping sheep, as “a
mighty man of valour” and “a man of war.” By all
accounts, David was not even a man yet.
On this recommendation, Saul sent word to Jesse,
David’s father, that his son should be seconded to
him. However, David entered Saul’s service not
as a harp-playing musician, but as his armour-
bearer, even though we are told later that Saul’s
armour was too heavy for David. (1 Samuel
17:38-39). Nevertheless, whenever Saul came
under attack by the evil spirit, David would play a
harp and the evil spirit would depart. Saul
quickly took a liking to David, and he sent to his
father a second time that David’s secondment to
him should become permanent. (1 Samuel 16:22).
However, when we get to the incident where
David is alleged to have killed Goliath, we
discover to our surprise that this same David,
who was supposed to be Saul’s armour-bearer/
musician, had never met Saul before. In that
contradictory account, David was just a young
boy tending sheep. His father sent him to deliver
lunch to his two brothers at the war-front. On
arriving there, he found Goliath terrorizing
everybody and offered to fight against him.
He was then brought to Saul who, on meeting
him for the very first time, said to him: “You are
not able to go against this Philistine to fight with
him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war
from his youth.” (1 Samuel 17:33). However, in
the earlier version, David was specifically
introduced to Saul as “a man of war.” Contrary to
the earlier account where Saul sent emissaries to
David’s father twice, he now did not know who
David’s father was. He asked Abner, his military
commander: “Whose son is this young man?” (1
Samuel 17:55). (Continued).
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by amodu(m): 11:14am On Nov 10, 2013
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by JoelFelix(m): 11:26am On Nov 10, 2013
Then who did? Because if you say it is God, i will say that it is God that used him as man to kill him so if you have anything to say, go on.
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by macof(m): 12:04pm On Nov 10, 2013
Femi Aribasala is a wise man indeed, he has cracked the Bible right open.

I'll make my own research on this and get back to this thread
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by Maximus85(m): 12:50pm On Nov 10, 2013
I noticed 2 Goliaths. One is from Gat, the other is a Gittite but they are both philistines. What if "Goliath" is not a name but a title for highest ranked men of war in philistine?
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by amodu(m): 9:56pm On Nov 10, 2013
Joel Felix: Then who did? Because if you say it is God, i will say that it is God that used him as man to kill him so if you have anything to say, go on.

“There was another battle with
the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jair
from Bethlehem killed Goliath from Gath.” (2
Samuel 21:19).
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by flightz(f): 9:57am On Nov 03, 2015
I read an article yesterday, it was a compilation of 100 contradictions in the bible
Re: David Did Not Kill Goliath by Scholar8200(m): 11:09am On Nov 03, 2015
This answers it:

19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair[c] the Bethlehemite killed the brother of[d] Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.

20 [b]In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot—twenty-four in all. [size=14pt]He also was descended from Rapha[/size]. 21 When he taunted Israel, Jonathan son of Shimeah, David’s brother, killed him.
[/b]

22 [size=13pt]These four were descendants of Rapha in Gath, and they fell at the hands of David and his men[/size].

Goliath had brothers all of them sons of a certain Rapha in Gath. David killed Goliath (else why did Saul and Israel recognise him?)

2 Samuel 21:19-22
Which four? (Remember they were killed after Saul had died and David being King led the battle)
1.Ishbi-benob vs 16
2. Saph Vs 18
3. Lahmi 1 Chronicles 20:5 also 2 Samuel 21:19 (called brother of Goliath but actual name was Lahmi)
4. The one with extra fingers and toes vs 20,21

Conclusion: The person mentioned in vs 19 was indeed Goliath's brother and not Goliath himself hence Mr Aribisala was wrong in his claims that they inserted it there; DAVID KILLED GOLIATH!!!


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