I read this from a next columnist and it got me confused as to the extent certian people can go to disapprove what is a clearly accepted fact in christendom. I have a lot questions for the writer and seem to be struggling with how to compress them.

I know we have a lot of bible scholars here. what do you guys think of this piece?

David was not averse to taking credit for other people’s achievements in his kingdom. Although it was Joab who captured Rabbah, David took the credit (2 Sam 12:26-31). Similarly, the killing of Goliath was originally part of a collection of stories in which heroes of David’s army killed giants (2 Sam 21:15-22). But soon, David himself was substituted for one of the giant-killers.

Two different Goliath Killers

1 Samuel says David killed Goliath; but 2 Samuel credits it to Elhanan; one of David’s mighty men: “In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite” (2 Sam 21:19). The King James Bible version that Elhanan killed “the brother of Goliath” is a blatant doctoring of the bible. The words “the brother of” are in italics, indicating they are not in the original Hebrew manuscript but were added at the discretion of King James translators.

So who killed Goliath; David or Elhanan? The evidence indicates it was certainly not David. Under Rehoboam, Israel became divided into two kingdoms; one pro-David: the other anti-David. Both gave conflicting historical reports which were later edited into the bible. As a result, the biblical record about David killing Goliath is full of contradictions and inconsistencies.

Conflicting Reports

David is initially described as “a man of war” (1 Sam 16:18); so how can he be simultaneously a youth untrained for war? (1 Sam 17:33). He lives in the palace with Saul (1 Sam 16:19-23); so how can he, at the same time, live at home with his father? (1 Sam 17:17-18). He is Saul’s armour-bearer (1 Sam 16:21); so how come he is unable to carry Saul’s armour? (1 Sam 17:38-39). Saul personally employs him as harp-player before he kills Goliath (1 Sam 16:23); so how come we suddenly discover after he kills Goliath that Saul has never met him before?

(1 Sam 17:55-58). David kills Goliath with a catapult (1 Sam 17:50); so how can he also kills him with a sword? (1 Sam 17:51). After he kills Goliath, he takes his head to Jerusalem (1 Sam 17:54); so how come when he is later introduced to Saul, he is still carrying Goliath’s head in his hand? (1 Sam 17:57-58).

David runs to the Philistines

Indeed, David could not have carried Goliath’s head to Jerusalem after killing him because the Israelites did not capture Jerusalem from the Jebusites until much later, after David had become King (2 Sam 5:6-7). After ostensibly killing Goliath, David is compelled to run for his life from Saul. But of all the places to run to, he ends up in Philistine territory. Of all the cities he could choose for safety, he chooses Gath , the very hometown of Goliath (1 Sam 27:3-11).

Surely, if David really killed Goliath, Goliath’s hometown would be the last place he would run to for refuge. That is a sure way for him to get killed. But instead, David is welcome in Gath by Goliath’s people.

He even applies to join the Philistine army in a war against Israel (1 Sam 29:1-11).

This is just not credible.

How are we to believe that a teenager who is an errand-boy at lunchtime becomes a five-star General by suppertime, to the approval of everyone including the more seasoned soldiers? (1 Sam 18:5). It beggars belief that, in answering the Goliath challenge, Saul would place the destiny of Israel on the shoulders of a little boy armed only with a catapult.

The story of little David killing mighty Goliath is endearing. It might even be profitable for spiritual instruction. But it is essentially pro-Davidic propaganda, and not an accurate portrait of events.

False Prophecies

Even prophecies about David in the bible are polemical. One of them says: “David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices” (Jer 33:17-18). This is a false prophecy that must have been inserted by pro-David priests into Jeremiah’s writings. Zedekiah was the last king of Davidic lineage in Israel . He was killed along with all his sons. From Zedekiah to Jesus, no son of David sat on the throne of Israel .

From AD 70 to date, no Levite has offered burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Jeremiah himself complains about scribes inserting falsehood surreptitiously into the scriptures. He writes: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?” (Jer 8:

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'and he whom Allah guides, he is led aright, but he whom He sends astray, for such you will find no helper/protector besides Him and We shall gather them together on the Day of resurrection on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf, their abode will be hell, whenever it abates, We shall increase for them the fierceness of the fire' ' Quran 17:97 ,

@ abu - u want peace and u stil attacking d holy bible

brotherly:

I read this from a next columnist and it got me confused as to the extent certian people can go to disapprove what is a clearly accepted fact in christendom. I have a lot questions for the writer and seem to be struggling with how to compress them.

I know we have a lot of bible scholars here. what do you guys think of this piece?

My advise to you is to stick to the more reliable authorised version (KJV) that gives you the story as it happened.  David, on his way to kill Goliath collected 5 stones because he knew that Goliath had 4 brothers who were also giants.  It is true that David killed Goliath with just one stones but the verse you are referring to is talking about one of Goliath's brothers "And there was again a battle in God with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

If you read from verse 12-22 You will discover that Sibbechai, Elhannan, Abishai and Jonathan David's nephew joined with David to kill these brothers of Goliath.

Therefore, use these recent versions wisely while you have your authorised version as your standard.

My 2 cents.

101 contradictions in the bible,
@ poster, hold your breath, you may just be reading just one, by the time you finish reading the remaining hundred, you may burn your bible.

'As for those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers' Quran 3:56

A pity no one had a camcorder to film the epic battle on that day.Now all that the poor christian faithheads are left with are conflicting hearsays . . .
The bible is a real brainfart.

@Poster,

1 Samuel says David killed Goliath; but 2 Samuel credits it to Elhanan; one of David’s mighty men: “In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite” (2 Sam 21:19). The King James Bible version that Elhanan killed “the brother of Goliath” is a blatant doctoring of the bible. The words “the brother of” are in italics, indicating they are not in the original Hebrew manuscript but were added at the discretion of King James translators.

So who killed Goliath; David or Elhanan? The evidence indicates it was certainly not David. Under Rehoboam, Israel became divided into two kingdoms; one pro-David: the other anti-David. Both gave conflicting historical reports which were later edited into the bible. As a result, the biblical record about David killing Goliath is full of contradictions and inconsistencies.

If you did your research well you would have discovered that God in His providence has repeated this account in 1 Chronicles 20:5 where every doubt as to who was killed was clarified. The name of Goliath's brother was even mentioned. God surely foreknew that there will be mockers and scoffers who will want to capitalise on the errors of translators; it is only the wicked that will fall into the trap, the wise will be secure.

God has turned the tables on proud, arrogant, self righteous man. When he proudly stands outside of the kingdom of God, and seeks to justify his sinfulness through evidence he thinks discredits the Bible, he doesn't realise that God has simply lowered the door of life, so that only those who are prepared to exercise faith and bow in humiity may enter.

God has hidden things from the "wise and prudent" and revealed them to babes (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).

OLAADEGBU:



God has hidden things from the "wise and prudent" and revealed them to babes (Luke 10:21), purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27)

Why is it that your imaginary god seriously dislikes the wise?

toneyb:

Why is it that your imaginary god seriously dislikes the wise?

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men . . . That no flesh should glory in His presence. -- 1 Cor. 1:25, 29

In a world where the rich get richer and the poor get stomped on, we are informed that God has gone to the other end of the line with the message of everlasting life.  How has He done that you may ask.  He has done that by simply choosing that which is weak, base and despised.  You can see this by asking a skeptic such as we have here, Do you believe that the David - Goliath accounts actually happened?  Of course they don't believe.  To say that they believed such fantastic story would mean that they would have to surrender their intellectual dignity.  Who in their right mind will ever do that?  The answer is simply those who understand that God has chosen foolish, base, weak and despised things of the world to confound those who think they are wise.

jagunlabi:

A pity no one had a camcorder to film the epic battle on that day.Now all that the poor christian faithheads are left with are conflicting hearsays . . .
The bible is a real brainfart.

The beauty of it is that you are free to choose what to believe, the Word of God or words of men. Men says, seeing is believing but Jesus says believing is seeing.

OLAADEGBU:

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men . . . That no flesh should glory in His presence. -- 1 Cor. 1:25, 29

In a world where the rich get richer and the poor get stomped on, we are informed that God has gone to the other end of the line with the message of everlasting life.  How has He done that you may ask.  He has done that by simply choosing that which is weak, base and despised.  You can see this by asking a skeptic such as we have here, Do you believe that the David - Goliath accounts actually happened?  Of course they don't believe.  To say that they believed such fantastic story would mean that they would have to surrender their intellectual dignity.  Who in their right mind will ever do that?  The answer is simply those who understand that God has chosen foolish, base, weak and despised things of the world to confound those who think they are wise.

More nonsense, I find it incredible that many Christians spend so much time trying to prove a god of the present with a god of thousands of years ago. My word the main issue is where is the christian god today, not where god was thousands of years ago and the endless stories that were written about him by men? Is  the christian god so weak that he depends only on debates about copies of ancient texts which have mostly been mistranslated and riddled with countless errors and contradiction to reasonably prove his existence and will?

A new convert was reading his Bible when he called out, "Wow! Praise the Lord!" A liberal minister heard him, and asked him what the noise was all about. The young Christian convert replied with great enthusiasm, "This is incredible. It says here that God performed a miracle of deliverance by opening up the Red Sea for the Jews to march through!"

The liberal minister replied, "Owing to tidal patterns around that time of the year, the Red Sea was a swamp that was only 3 inches deep."

Somewhat subdued, the young man continued reading, but soon exclaimed, "Wow! Praise the Lord!" "What's the matter now?" asked the minister. To which the Christian replied, "God has just drowned the whole Egyptian army in three inches of water!"

Over three thousand times, the Bible speaks of its inspiration by God. His Word is true, and you can believe every word of it.

OLAADEGBU:



Over three thousand times, the Bible speaks of its inspiration by God. His Word is true, and you can believe every word of it.

Actually the words of th bible are false. . .

Ecc 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

The sun does not hurry back to where it rises because the sun does not revolve around the earth. . . . so that is a lie. . .

The bible also talks about evil spirits causing diseases and lies about history(exodus).

mazaje:

Actually the words of th bible are false. . .

Ecc 1:5 The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.

The sun does not hurry back to where it rises because the sun does not revolve around the earth. . . . so that is a lie. . .

The bible also talks about evil spirits causing diseases and lies about history(exodus).

Thanks for your contribution.

" . . . Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race.  His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." -- Psalm 19:5-6

In speaking of the sun, the psalmist says that "his going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof." 

For many years critics scoffed at these verses, claiming that they taught the old false doctrine of geocentricity (i.e. the sun revolves around the earth).  Scientists thought the sun was stationary.  Then it was discovered in recent years that the sun is in fact moving through space at approximately 600,000 miles per hour.  It is traveling through the heavens and has a "circuit" just as the Bible says.  Its circuit is so large that it would take approximately 200 million years to complete one orbit.

God's law is also like the sun.  On judgment Day it will arise with its burning heat and shine the brilliant light of eternal justice on the dark corners of the human heart.  Nothing will be hidden from its consuming heat.   

Scientific facts recorded in the Bible.

For ages, scientists believed in a geocentric view of the universe. The difference between night and day were believed to be caused by the sun revolving around the earth. Today, we know that the earth's rotation on its axis is responsible for the suns "rising and setting." But 4,000 or more years ago, it was written, "Have you commanded the morning since your days; and caused the day spring [dawn] to know his place? . . . It [the earth] is turned as clay to the seal" (Job 38:12,14). The picture here is of a clay vessel being turned or rotated upon the potter's wheel. This is an accurate analogy of the earth's rotation.

the bible is the mind of god and true inspiration from him, hit is the most read book worldwide without any revised standard, muslim and unbelievers jesus is lord and the proof is every where, if islam can compete with christian let give it atrial as europe and usa is free to muslim lets saudi and the other arab open up and witnin 10 years who will see which is true or false

David and goliath story is not physical but mental,it's the ability to over come enormous task despite all odds.The bible is a metaphoric.

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