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The Lord's Prayer. [don't Ignore]. by destiny4luv(m): 3:19pm On Nov 14, 2013 |
NEVER FORGET THE ‘LORD’S PRAYER. A Scripture that most clergymen avoid like the plague. A Scripture that even if they quote it, they will not explain it. A Scripture that debunks the heresy that a sin against an infinite God demands infinite punishment. A Scripture that should shut the mouths of all those who continually condemn the teaching that God will eventually save all sinners, even the Hitlers and Bundys of the world. A Scripture that proves God loves sinners even while they are yet sinners. A Scripture that proves one doesn’t have to prove himself "worthy" of God’s love before God gives His love. A Scripture that proves God knows in advance that He will save the very worst of sinners and indeed ALL sinners long before they ever even think of repenting. First we have to find the world’s worst sinners -- no, even worse than you. Check these out: "I am innocent of the blood of this JUST PERSON" (Mat. 27:24) "They ALL [priests & citizens] say unto him" (Ver 22) "let Him be crucified" "WHY, what evil hath He done?" (Ver. 23) "let Him be crucified" "Jesus answered ... The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them" (Matt. 11:4-5) "crucify Him" "Come unto me, all ye [sinners] ... I will give you rest" (Mat. 11:28) "crucify Him" "I [Jesus] have compassion on the multitude [of sinners] " (Mat. 15:32) "crucify Him" "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost" (Mat. 18:11) "crucify Him" "And great multitudes followed Him; and He healed them" (Mat 19:2) "crucify Him" "Suffer little children...to come unto Me" (Mat. 19:14) "crucify Him" "Who can be saved?...with God all things are possible" (Mat. 19:25-26) "crucify Him" "I am the Good Shepherd..." (John 10:11) "crucify Him" "God anointed Jesus...who went about doing good..." (Acts 10:38) "crucify Him" "And the multitudes ...cried... ‘Hosanna to the SON’" (Mat. 21:9) "crucify Him" "And they [same multitudes as 21:19] all say ... (27:22) "let Him be crucified" "...to you all ... the entire people of Israel ... Jesus Christ ... whom" (Acts 4:10) "you crucify" "Then answered all the people ... His blood be on US... (Mat. 27:25) "crucify Him" "And they [everyone -- you, me, all of us," (Mat. 27:35) "CRUCIFIED HIM" Now then, are you ready for the Scripture? Are these cruel murderers of the very Son of God evil enough to be counted the worst of the worst sinners who have ever drawn breath? Even more evil than Ted Bundy? First, does anyone doubt that God the Father ALWAYS heard Christ’s prayers? "Father, I thank thee that Thou HAST HEARD me. And I knew that thou HEAREST ME ALWAYS..." (John 11:41-42). Okay then, here’s the Scripture: "And when they were come to the place which is called Calvary, there they [everyone -- you, me, the WHOLE WORLD] CRUCIFIED HIM..." But before our Saviour died, He prayed this prayer: "FATHER ... FORGIVE THEM ... for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:33-34). Meditate on that verse for a few hours -- or years! My prayer is that not one person reading this paper will ever forget this verse and Christ’s prayer for the forgiveness of the world's worst of the worst sinners, before any of them even thought to repent. Now if any of you, in your holier-than-thou self- righteousness, feel that you had no part in the death of your own Saviour, Who died for you and your sins, you will still have to contend with the fact that God honored Christ’s prayer by forgiving those who did, literally, crucify Him, before they ever repented or accepted Him as their Lord and Saviour. Do you think that just maybe our Lord knows something about the future judgment of these, as of yet unrepentant murderers, that is not taught in Christendom today? "FORGIVE THEM, for they know not what they do." Was this just a benevolent gesture on Christ’s part that has no real meaning? Do we believe that Jesus’ God and Father turned His back on this prayer? Will God answer "THE LORD’S PRAYER?" Don’t the theological giants of Christendom have Scriptures written in figurative, metaphorical, and spiritual symbolism, that if ignorantly taught to be literal, will contradict our Lord’s prayer? If it is not possible for God to forgive sinners before they repent, then our Lord’s prayer is doomed. It was then a prayer in vain. Jesus prayed in vain. His Father never heard Him. Doesn’t it just grind on your spirit to even hear such stupid and unscriptural conjectures? Millions of times a week people around the world repeat what they believe to be "The Lord’s Prayer" (Mat. 6:10-13). Matt. 6 is not the "Lord’s prayer." He didn’t "pray" that prayer. It was a very short outline of what we are to pray for. But this verse in Luke 23:34, really is, "The Lord’s Prayer!" Jesus really DID ... PRAY ... THIS ... PRAYER! Unlike the hypocritical Pharisees, Jesus did not make a habit of praying in public. He commanded us to pray in the private closet of our hearts. Other than blessing the bread when feeding the multitudes, Christ seldom prayed in public. But hanging in total agony on that Passover cross, He prayed in public. He prayed for the whole world to hear. And that is because His prayer was not for Himself, but for the whole world! I will make a wager right here and now that the figurative symbols and metaphors in Revelation are obviously not to be taken literally, but that our Lord’s Prayer in Luke 23:34 IS to be taken literally. Do I have any takers? "Forgive THEM..." There is no mistaking who the "THEM" are in this prayer. World famous preacher John Hagee teaches the world that the Jews did not crucify Jesus, but rather the Romans did. Is that who the "them" is in our Lord’s Prayer? The ROMANS? Give me a break. Maybe that’s why Christians everywhere believe that had they been in Jerusalem on that fateful Passover nearly two thousand years ago, they would have never consented to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ! Peter too thought that he would never deny his Lord (Mat. 26:34). Since Christendom refuses to do it, I will now show you the real meaning of The Lord’s Prayer. WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS? True, the Romans did crucify Christ, but so did the Jews, so did you, so did I, and so did John Hagee as well, and I will now Scripturally prove it. "For he is NOT a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God" (Rom. 2:28-29). "For WE ARE THE CIRCUMCISION, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh" (Phil. 3:3). Who are the true circumcision which then becomes the True Jew? Paul says "we." As soon as we know who the "we" is, we will also know who is the "them." Paul was writing to the Philipians, who lived in Philippi, a Gentile city in N-central Macedonia. So these Philippian converts were both Gentiles, and true Jews ("we [Philippian Gentiles] are the circumcision -- Phil. 3:3, which are the true inward Jew -- Rom. 2:28-29, the true "Israel of God" -- Gal. 6:16). Now then, let us see the plain Scriptural truth as to who the "them" are that Jesus asked His Father to "forgive." For whomever the Father "forgives" will certainly not be tortured in an eternal hellhole of fire. In Acts 3:6-8 Peter asks Christ to heal a man. The whole city was privy to this miracle. Peter speaks to the crowd: "Ye MEN OF ISRAEL [that’s us, WE are the "Israel of God" the "True Jew"] ... Jesus, Whom ye [that’s US] delivered up, and DENIED [along with Peter] Him ... For ye [that’s US again] DENIED the Holy One and Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; and KILLED the Prince of life ... And now, brethren, I am aware that through IGNORANCE [‘for they know NOT what they do’] ye did it, as did your rulers ... The priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees ... Annas the high priest, and Ciaphas, and John, and Alexander ... Ye RULERS of the people, and ELDERS of Israel ... Be it known unto YOU ALL, and to ALL THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom YE CRUCIFIED..." Why did the HEATHEN rage, and the PEOPLE imagine vain things? The KINGS OF THE EARTH stood up, and the RULERS [see I Cor. 2:8] were gathered together AGAINST the Lord, and AGAINST His Christ ... "For of a truth AGAINST thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, WITH THE GENTILES [that’s US, ALL NATIONS] and the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL [that’s also US], were gathered together, For to do whatsoever Thy hand and Thy counsel determined before to be done [CRUCIFY HIM]" (Acts 3:12-4:28). Sorry, but John Hagee’s "Romans only" theory has just bit the dust. So again: Who crucified our Lord and Saviour? And who is it that are to be forgiven because they know not what they do? "YOU ALL," "ALL THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL," "THE HEATHEN," "THE PEOPLE," "THE KINGS OF THE EARTH," "THE RULERS," and "HEROD, PONTIUS PILATE, WITH THE GENTILES!!! Do you still think your name is left out of this list somehow? The whole world is accountable for crucifying their Saviour Jesus Christ. But as it was done in "ignorance" (for they know not what they do), the whole world will be forgiven. So what do these things have to do with the lake of fire? Everything! I am trying to show you the mind of God. This is the way God thinks, and feels, and forgives, and LOVES! Since you haven’t learned these things in Sunday School, or Wednesday night Bible Study, or Sunday sermons, or even theological seminary, I am showing you them now. Weigh God’s Words very carefully. The worst sin ever committed by the worst sinners in the history of the universe, was the cruel beating and crucifixion of Jesus Christ -- the Perfect Man and Son of God! Does anyone really believe that Ted Bundy’s crimes or Osama Bin Ladin were worse than Crucifying the Son of God? Did the men immediately responsible (ultimately I’ve shown that we ALL were responsible) for His crucifixion show any remorse or repentance except Judas? Yet, Jesus Christ asked God to "forgive them" at the very time that they showed no remorse whatsoever. Will the Father HEAR these words and ANSWER these words of Christ’s prayer? Are these just the sentimental words of Jesus that will not be heard or answered by a HARSH God in Heaven? Just Whose "words" are these, anyway? Where did these words of Jesus "forgive them" really come from? "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the FATHER IN ME? The WORDS that I speak unto you I speak NOT OF MYSELF; but the Father that dwells in Me, HE DOES THE WORKS" (John 14:10). Or was this doctrine of "forgive them for they know not what they do" before they ever repent, a doctrine of Christ that God did not approve of? "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is NOT MINE, but HIS THAT SENT ME. If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of GOD, or whether I speak of myself " (John 7:16-17). Any questions as to WHOSE words these were? It is not only our Lord’s prayer, but it is the will of God the Father to forgive them all (US all) for none of them "knows what they do." My detractors cry out, "They do TOO know what they do; they have REJECTED their Saviour; they deserve to BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR EVER!" But you see, God is not like men who DELIGHT in the eternal death and torture of the wicked. "As I live, saith the Lord God, I have NO pleasure in the death [including the second death] of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezek. 33:11). Killing people for their sins is NOT PLEASURABLE FOR GOD! But it is needful -- for a season. "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die ... a time to kill, and a time to heal..." (Ecc. 3:1-3). God does not delight or take pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that he TURN from his way and LIVE! But neither Israel (nor the Gentiles) knows how to "turn" from their ways. It takes the "goodness of God" to "turn" people. I know that all the billions of "free-willers" in the world poke fun at such an idea that mankind of themselves can do nothing: "...for without Me ye can do NOTHING" (John 15;5). But as for me, I don’t believe men anymore; I believe God. "Turn, turn, turn" says the Lord God. But how shall Israel "turn" when they have no such power or ability? Will Israel (all Israel) ever "turn" and be saved and LIVE? Not by anything they can conjure up in their phantom of free will. Enter GOD: "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant [but the WORLD is ignorant and deceived -- God created a special creature to accomplish this very purpose, Rev. 12:9] of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until [remember there are ‘seasons’?] The fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED [how so, I thought they have to ‘turn’ from their wickedness and sins, Who will ‘turn’ them?] As it is written, There shall come out of Zion The Deliverer, and shall TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS [’evil ways’ Ezek. 33:11] from Jacob [that’s Israel]: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS (Rom 11:25-27) [it will be pretty hard to torture people for all eternity for sins that they NO LONGER HAVE!!!] Am I going too fast for anyone? This is not rocket science. These Scriptures are easy! Who is it that "turns away" ungodliness from Israel? Must sinners really, by themselves, by their phantom "free -will," by their own power, by their own choice, by the goodness that lies within them (I speak as a fool), by their self-concocted love of God -- "turn away from ungodliness?" Get serious. What is the only thing in the universe that can ever bring a person to repentance? I’ll tell you, if you promise to never ever forget it! "Or are you despising the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing [here’s that ignorance thing again -- Satan who DECEIVES the whole world] that the GOODNESS OF GOD leads you to REPENTANCE" (Rom. 2:4). Once again we are brought back to the CAUSE OF ALL -- GOD! And so, it is the "Deliverer" (Christ the Lord,) not man’s ‘free’ will, which "turns away ungodliness" from Israel. Let’s continue the thought: "As concerning the gospel, they [Israel] are enemies for your sakes [the ‘casting away’ of Israel, Ver. 15]: but as touching the election [the sure thing that God had predetermined long before there ever was an Israel] they are BELOVED for the Father's sake. For the GIFTS and CALLING OF GOD are without repentance [changing] " (Vers. 28-29). "Forgive them" are the very words and the doctrine of GOD THE FATHER! So the truth is we have Jesus Christ and God the Father BOTH agreed that "FORGIVE THEM, for they know not what they do" WILL BE ANSWERED, ACCOMPLISHED, AND DONE! God’s words went out of God’s mouth in this prayer for the whole sinful world to hear, and God’s words do not return to Him VOID (see Isaiah 55:11)! Are you believing all these Scriptures that I am giving you? Or are you one of those who thinks he has other Scriptures that contradict all these Scriptures I am giving? My whole purpose is to point you to God’s Words. When I come to a Scripture that is not properly translated, I will point that out also. So far, I believe, all of the Scriptures I have presented speak for themselves. And it is self-evident that these Scriptures contradict a plethora of doctrines being taught by the high priests of Christendom. Will God somehow change his mind toward this world of sinners which crucified His Son when they are raised at the great white throne to be judged? Forget all the Scriptures for the moment that some of you just "know" contradict this prayer. Concentrate on this prayer, and we will go to the theirs later. Right here IS the mind of God. Right here IS the attitude of forgiveness and love that God has for sinners -- the world’s worst sinners! Why does most of the world of Christendom refuse to believe our 'LORD'S PRAYER' which really has its origin in the will of the Father? Because it is TOO GOOD! Many will not tolerate a God THIS GOOD! Is God fickle? Is God all- forgiving one day at the cross, but then CHANGES into an unforgiving Indian-Giver at the white throne judgment by taking it all back? "I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob [Israel] are NOT CONSUMED" (Malachi 3:6). "But He [God] is in ONE MIND, and who can TURN HIM? And what His soul desires [I Tim. 2:4 & Isa. 46:9-11] , EVEN THAT [whatever He wills or desires] HE DOES" (Job 23:13). "Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, and today, and for ever [Greek: ‘for (into) the eons also’]" (Heb. 13:. No, God is not fickle: forgiving today, cursing tomorrow. Forgiving the worst sinners in the whole world while they are yet sinning is the mind, attitude, and love of God! Any theologian who tries to tell you that there are Scriptures that contradict this Scripture (whether it be a Scripture on the lake of fire or any other Scripture,) is a liar and a deceiver. "Forgive them [even the theologians who deny the Christ Who died for them] for they know not what they do." And so our Lord’s Prayer WILL ... BE ... DONE! Thank God! Until next time SHALOM. 1 Like |
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