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Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Katsumoto: 8:58pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
PhysicsQED: @ Katsumoto 'Sold a dummy' and conned are my expressions, not Adegboyega. Adegboyega wrote "The next most important cause of our failure was the behaviour of Ifeajuna himself. Having seen that Ironsi had got loose and was already raising troops against us, Ifeajuna took Okafor with him and both of them suddenly disappeared from our midst. This raises the serious question of whether or not there was a common collusion between the two of them, and whether Okafor's failure to arrest the GOC was not a case of deliberate or willful omission." This is what Adegboyega believed and the reason why he fought Ifeajuna. It matters not that Mbanugo helped to settle their differences. They were in prison and had little choice. Ifeajuna was not incompetent when he killed Maimalari, Balewa, and Largema. He suddenly became incompetent in killing Ironsi, Mbadiwe, Mbu, Orizu. You may buy that BS but I won't. Ifeajuna ignored Ironsi and chose to go and murder Largema, who was sleeping in a hotel in Ikoyi and several miles away from his troops in Ibadan. Before Maimalari and other officers were killed, Ironsi as GOC should have been first. That was not incompetence; that was Zik/Ifeajuna's backup plan. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by TerraCotta(m): 9:08pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto, you've put together another well thought-out and impeccably-sourced argument. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Katsumoto: 9:16pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
TerraCotta: Katsumoto, you've put together another well thought-out and impeccably-sourced argument. Thanks |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by nduchucks: 9:24pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
I dey laugh o. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by nduchucks: 9:36pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
I couldn't resist posting this quote by katsumoto, who finds a way to truth when he is not otherwise defending Awo's misdeeds. Katsumoto few years ago: |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by TerraCotta(m): 9:37pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto:. I meant to respond to the other thread on Awolowo in detail at some point this weekend. One short question for you (and anyone else interested in the subject)--I am interested if you know of any substantiated reference to the idea that Ojukwu had proposed military coups at least twice before secession in 1967 (once during the 1964 crisis, directly to Azikiwe and once in January 1965 to Gowon). There are vague references to this by Odia Ofeimun in his essays last year on Chinua Achebe's book and the forgotten documents on the war, as well as in a speech Gowon gave to the OAU towards the end of the war. The latter could very easily be an example of wartime propaganda, and the former seems to lack any corroboration as well. Do you know anything about this? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 9:52pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Prof Corruption: Why would anybody want to kill David Ejoor, the dirty ar.se Urhobo, who had no command of anything and never sought himself out before he died a miserable death? David Ejoor once said “we should allow northerners to assume political power in Nigeria and at the same assume economic power. I laughed the dude to a bloody jackass and wondered who goon was thinking when sheepishly handed the northerners the keys to his barn. I also asked the dumbass fool who are “we” in his goofy statement. I will not even touch the nonsensical crap such as “The senior person to me in Nigeria was Bassey, the second was Aguiyi Irons” voiced by the useless fellow. I guess he was also senor to Ademulegun, Ogundipe, Adabayor, Kur Mohammed, Maimalari, Nwawo, Shodeinde, Njoku, Effiong, etc. . |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:02pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
jp philips: Bros please relax. Achuzie was never a soldier before the war. As Ben correctly stated, Achuzie can not be in every battle front at the same time. It gives reason to ask want unit of Biafran army did Achuzie commanded. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:15pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto: Including Kpera amongst coup plotters is of the most idiotic reasoning. Nzeogwu told his boys they were on a training exercise. The exercise suddenly turns into a coup dead in the middle of the night. What were the boys supposed to do? See excerpt from Special Branch report about what Nzeogwu did to one who wasn't willing to participate. You seem to bounce off the wall with this silly “copy and paste” attitude. Were all the Igbo Second Lieutenants who participated in the “operation Damisa” also planned the coup or even get the whiff of the coup before January 15, 1966? Did their similar position as that of John Atom Kpera stop bigots such as you from branding them as coup plotters and Igbo for that matter? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by jpphilips(m): 10:16pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
DerideGull: isn't it glaring that you didn't understand the post you quoted. there were other commanders no doubt, Achuzie was just outstanding. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by jpphilips(m): 10:17pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
DerideGull: isn't it glaring that you didn't understand the post you quoted. there were other commanders no doubt, Achuzie was just outstanding. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by PhysicsQED(m): 10:18pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto: I guess I don't really see any evidence that he stated that the cause of the fight was because he "realized he'd been conned." Of course that quote you posted does suggest that he later wondered in his book if Ifeajuna and Okafor had some sort of secret plan that caused them to act as they did, but that's not really the same thing. I was only curious because I don't see how/why you think Ademoyega could have ever believed that the Jan. 1966 coup was an ethnic coup meant to be masked as a non-ethnic/nationalistic coup, when he wrote an entire book defending and attempting to justify the coup later on. If "realizing he'd been conned" was the great realization that made him fight Ifeajuna in that prison, I don't see why he would later write an entire book as if he had had no such "realization". This is unrelated, but I see that you mentioned Mbu's name. Why do you think they would have targeted him anyway? Was he perceived as especially corrupt or something? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:24pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto: From the Special Branch Report I truly dislike the acts of copying and pasting craps from Nowa Omoigui and advancing them as gospels. I guess goofy Omoigui and you can not feel good without peddling rumors. It appears you want to argue with a man who was involved in the coup as a soldier and believe the nonsensical craps written by a person who was not even in Nigeria when the coup went down. 1 Like |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:27pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
jp philips: Which unit of Biafran army did Achuzie command that spurred you to say Achuzie was outstanding? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 10:30pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
PhysicsQED: Why can't you just shut up, observe and let them slug it out? I don't see any Edo reference on the thread since you've got a little code embedded in the nl software that alerts you every time Edo is mentioned by Yoruba posters. Papabrowne, ola_edo and other Igbo posters have been running around claiming to be edo for eons and you're yet to call them out. But if it had been a Yoruba poster, your alert tone would have summoned you to the thread. Just shut it and let them slug it out before exposing your bias. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Katsumoto: 10:30pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
DerideGull: I don't care for your opinion. Give me something that disproves my position. I don't care if you went to school with moses and were present at the presentation of the 10 ten commandments. 1 Like |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by jpphilips(m): 10:36pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
DerideGull: you can't beat Katsumoto on peddling falsehood from Ade, didn't you notice how he smartly ignored regional govs verdict on Ademoyega, this was people who tried and jailed him with over whelming evidence, yet katsumoto believes Ademoyega was conned in his complicity. Katsumoto has argued this crap with dede few years ago here on nairaland, even when dede told him he was there life, dede said his older brother was killed in his presence during the war. if such a man could not convince Katsumoto, do you think you stand a chance? he just wants the whole world to believe that the only westerner involved was conned. I ignored him because I am convinced he is better off in his ignorance, I advise you do the same. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by PhysicsQED(m): 10:39pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
ndu_chucks: I couldn't resist posting this quote by katsumoto, who finds a way to truth when he is not otherwise defending Awo's misdeeds. Regarding #5, I think that I mentioned this a long time ago on a thread where me and Katsumoto discussed this coup, but it's already known that multiple members of the federal and regional governments were aware of an imminent coup - that Zik chose to stay away when given the opportunity might mean that he knew that his position as president made it especially unlikely that he would survive such a coup (had it been carried out successfully), but it doesn't mean that he stayed away because he had in-depth, secret knowledge of the particulars of the coup beforehand, or that he had private discussions with the coup plotters beforehand. That would just be guessing/insinuation. There are other publications that make the same observation (about government officials being warned about an impending coup), but this one (Max Siollun's book) actually has the relevant material easily available online to preview: http://books.google.com/books?id=t5Q78sVbLakC&pg=PA39 Scroll down to the section labeled "Unheeded Warnings" and read on from there. And of course, there is still the possibility that Zik stayed away merely because he wanted an excuse for an extended vacation (although I think this is the least likely possibility). But in any case, there's no real reason to just assume that Zik's absence is evidence of his involvement in any sort of plot. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 10:40pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
tomakint:What is he supposed to believe if not the books? Hearsay? 1 Like |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:40pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto: The above analogies are akin to Nigerians. I did not know Igbo had army or armed forces. If I may follow this crap, “Ademoyega was involved in the coup. A Brazilian playing for the Spanish national team doesn't make the Spanish team a Brazil-Spain team”, it is likely the Spanish national team in reference is Nigerian army not Igbo army. A person with average intellect could easily discern that Spanish national team is Nigerian army and Ademoyega, Ifeajuna and Nzeogwu were national team players. . |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by jpphilips(m): 10:44pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
DerideGull: I can't recall but one biafran veteran said it's the Biafran special forces, but another mentioned what his unit was called, I will tell you once I get the info. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 10:52pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
jp philips: Bros it is unbelievable and I guess it is inherent. I read a crap posted on a previous thread by Katz stating that Ironsi’s advisers were limited to Igbo people such as Dr. Pius Okigbo, Chief Francis Nwokedi and Lt Col Patrick Anwunnah. I also have the link of the Nowa Omoigui’s crap where Katz lifted such fabricated nonsense. It is even funny that Lt Col Patrick Anwunah was not even among the team of Ironsi’s advisers. It is unfortunate most lazy goons feel extremely happy with such fabricated craps. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by DerideGull(m): 11:00pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Katsumoto: Of course, why would you care when you have goons as ordinance clapping and enjoying the concocted craps from you. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by TerraCotta(m): 11:05pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
PhysicsQED: Physics--Did you see my question about the idea that there was an earlier plot in 1964/1965 that Azikiwe rejected? Odia Ofeimun, who Max Siollun cites as one source for the idea that the coup's goal was to install Awolowo, wrote that some people claimed Ojukwu approached Azikiwe about mounting a coup after the 1964 political crisis, well in advance of the Nzeogwu group's move in 1966. Azikiwe is said to have turned him down. Gowon also claimed that Ojukwu approached him about mounting a coup and that he rejected the idea as well. Finally, David Ejoor claims that there had been a grand conspiracy for a military coup since Independence (a claim I find hard to believe, but I add here in order to have a full catalogue). Do you know if anyone's ever substantiated these rumours or were they just wartime propaganda? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 11:11pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
jp philips: Dude, if in your almighty 'intelligence' you can't figure out that Dede and Deridegull are the same people. Why should anyone believe what you have to say? Or is it the cataracts in your eyes induced by old age? Well, old people's home beckons. 4 Likes |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by PhysicsQED(m): 11:25pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Sheeple: I'm not exactly sure what alternate handle this is, but I think I have a very good idea, judging by the writing style and the misguided grievances against me in the post. I won't name who I think it is only because I don't want this to descend into an ugly back and forth argument. So just to clarify a few things: 1. I've intermittently (every once in a while, that is) participated in threads discussing or related to the 1966 coups on here (NL) before, from years ago to now. I think only a newer poster wouldn't know that I've discussed such issues multiple times in the past and would think for some bizarre reason that I don't discuss that era of Nigeria's history (the 1960s) and only discuss what the Edo were doing in the 1600s or some stuff like that. 2. I don't actually participate in most of these threads that involve Yoruba and Igbo posters arguing over historical interpretations of events in Nigeria's past, actually. I do almost always just observe, in those instances where I don't just ignore such topics entirely without even reading them. However, if there is a particular interpretation or an issue that I want enlightenment/edification on, I will ask for clarification/explanation, whether it's Katsumoto, Dede1, etc. or anyone else. If I disagree with an interpretation of something, shouldn't I just ask the person directly if they could give a better explanation and possibly enlighten me about why my view is wrong? 3. When Katsumoto made that joke about me having "little code embedded in the nl software that alerts me every time Edo is mentioned by other posters" he didn't suggest that it was only when those posters were Yoruba, but for some reason you are. Maybe it's because he's actually seen me conversing at length on NL with non-Yoruba posters over issues involving the Edo before, whereas you haven't? Or are you just deliberately ignoring the times that I got into discussions (sometimes heated arguments/debates) with non-Yoruba posters on issues involving the Edo before, in a weak attempt to portray me as having some particular bias against Yorubas? 4. I have no clue what Papabrowne's ethnicity is, only that I'm not sure that he's specifically Bini, based on some comments of his I've read, though he might be from an "Edoid" group. He might be from somewhere else in Edo state and genuinely hold the views/perspectives that he holds, simply because he gets along well with Igbos and agrees with the perspectives of a lot of Igbos. There can be people like that after all. Tam David-West has made statements praising Igbos before. Does that mean he's suddenly not Ijaw? Sam Loco Efe (a Bini man) had a great rapport with Igbos throughout his career/life and apparently fought on the Biafran side during the civil war. Does that suddenly mean he's not Edo? I can't be sure in Papabrowne's case, because it's simply not as obvious that he's faking anything as you would like to think it is. There's another poster on here who lives in Lagos, named Edogirl, that some people might think is Yoruba poster pretending to be Edo, but there's really nothing to suggest that she might not just be an Edo poster that gets along well with Yorubas and agrees with Yorubas about a lot of things (and her Lagos background makes that even more likely). Just as with Papabrowne, there's no "smoking gun" to really prove that that poster isn't Edo either, and a few seemingly "pro-Yoruba" or Yoruba centered posts from her aren't proof that she's actually Yoruba. Aren't there even Yoruba posters, like Jarus, whose posts sometimes come across as supporting another ethnicity or region other than their own? (I'm referring to Jarus sometimes being accused of loving northerners to the detriment of his supposedly mandatory "ethnic allegiance" to Yorubas) I don't see why I would need to "call out" Ola Edo for "pretending to be Edo" when I haven't seen any evidence that he's pretending to be Edo. Ola Edo is Chyz (that's his old moniker from a year or two ago), and that's not exactly some sort of great secret, nor has he really denied that he is Chyz. Chyz's ethnicity is already known and he hasn't claimed to be anything other than Igbo (Ukwuani, specifically). You realize "Edo" is a word in some other Nigerian languages, right? I don't think his username is supposed to refer to my ethnic group or even the state in Nigeria. At most it might be a reference to the kingdom, since his people (the Ukwuani) had a connection to it in the past. But I haven't seen him trying to convince anyone that he's ethnically Edo. By the way, I have made posts in the past where I argued with (and exposed) both Igbo and Yoruba posters pretending to be Edo ( they were doing so presumably to appear more "neutral" in ethnic-centered arguments), but the two cases you directed me to here are bad ones. In any case, it's not my duty to go after every single poster that is pretending to be Edo. I just sometimes expose the ones that I happen to come across. 5. You shouldn't have polluted the thread with an irrelevant personal attack. It was dumb. To the other posters in the thread, I apologize for the length of this response of mine to "Sheeple" on a thread that is about something else entirely. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 11:32pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
^Why do you always write epistles? You bore me to sleep most times with that bs. If you want to write a Ph.D thesis, save that for your tutors, not me. I have noticed your bias and it's better to expose you for who you're. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by jpphilips(m): 11:32pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Sheeple: what is this one saying? when did you join nairaland? |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 11:33pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Didn't intend to derail the thread. But people should be called out whenever there's an expose on them. I will leave the contributors to continue their mudslinging. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Nobody: 11:34pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
jp philips: Have you got cataracts in your eyes, old man? Dede1 is Deridegull. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by PhysicsQED(m): 11:34pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
Sheeple: ^Why do you always write epistles? You bore me to sleep most times with that bs. If you want to write a Ph.D thesis, save that for your tutors, not me. I have noticed your bias and it's better to expose you for who you're. Okay, it's becoming very clear who this poster is now. A question for you, now. Why do you repeatedly make alternate monikers and hide behind fake identities on the internet on an anonymous forum? Isn't that kind of weird/crazy? It also seems kind of dumb and cowardly at the same time. Please do explain why you behave that way. |
Re: Col. Ben Gbulie, One Of The 1966 Coupists Speaks On The Coup And Awo by Katsumoto: 11:35pm On Nov 15, 2013 |
PhysicsQED: I base my position on the fact that Ademoyega fought Ifeajuna. In my opinion, he wouldn't have resorted to fighting if he believed Ifeajuna was just incompetent. He believed and he stated as such in his book. That is enough for me. Ademoyega would always defend the coup; he was a part of it. There is nothing strange in that. He has left clues to what his afterthoughts were in his book. I mentioned Mbu by listing NCNC officers that could have been targeted but weren't. If innocent pregnant woman could be shot, one of them killed, why should they care about someone who was actually in government? After all, Ademulegun, Shodeinde, Maimalari, Kur, Pam were supposedly collateral damage. |
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