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Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 3:08pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
Jozzy4: You haven't a clue, 2 peter is not saying animals are naturally brute, the verse is comparing some persons to naturally brute animals, not all animals are brute, irrational, unreasonable So whats the meaning of brute : you said No 2 peter doesn't say that, you have no understanding of scripture Now what is irrational . Yes and when a person is not irrational, he can have reason same for animals Dont try to cover your ignorance that have already been exposed . Animals are created to act on instinct, brute by nature ( NATURAL) - 2pet 2:12 BUT Humans are not created to act on instinct . You just say whatever comes into your head, read this on animal reason http://www.humesociety.org/hs/issues/v29n1/boyle/boyle-v29n1.pdf Na jozzy write this bibles , shey ? You can post all the wrong translations of that verse that you want to "alogos" means unreasonable, your translation is wrong also "creatures of instinct", is not in the Greek text that we get our English translated from the translations that you quoted have added that. 2Pe 2:12 But(de) these,(houtos houtoi haute hautai) as(hos) natural(phusikos) brute(alogos) beasts,(zoon) made(gennano) to be taken(eis) (halosis) and(kai) destroyed,(phthora) speak evil(blasphemeo) of(en) the things that(hos he ho) they understand not;(agnoeo) and shall utterly perish(kataphtheiro) in(en) their own(hautou) corruption;(phthora) |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 3:35pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
Jozzy4 said spirit is just breath, but if that were so we would have to be Holy in breath and our breath would have to be preserved blameless and we would have to glorify God in our breath Jozzy4 said animals cannot reason, yet otters reasoned if they get a stone and break open shells then they could eat the yummies inside. cattle reason if they jump the fence they can eat the green crop on the other side Jozzy4 said a mad man cannot reason Jozzy4 said the spirit that goes back to God is breath Jozzy4 is wrong about most things, and he is happy to tell you about them. |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Anas09: 4:55pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
What is a soul? A soul is a man's consciousness that functions independently from his body. Example is dreams, visions, thoughts, imaginations, most importantly. People who have been decleared dead, meaning, their brains stopped functioning, yet saw and heard things both from this world and the other world. Me, for one, I dream things before they happen. Clear and detailed events before they happen. Consciousness is independent from the brain. The brain is not a thinker, but the processor. The operating system that runs the brain is independent from it as the software in your computer is independent from the CPU. Think of consciousness as the operating system using the brain as a central processing unit to interact with this world. We don’t need a brain to think any more than we need an oxygen tank to breathe or a night goggle to see. However if we want to scuba dive we need an oxygen tank and if we want to see at night we need night goggles. Our consciousness is completely independent from our body. However, to experience this world we have to occupy a body made of the same substance. It is like you want to play a virtual game; you need to wear a pair of goggles and a headset. The goggles and the headset immerse you in the virtual world while they cut you off from the world surrounding you. If they malfunction your virtual experience becomes blurry and defective. What happens if the computer crashes? Then you remove the goggles and the headset and suddenly your vision becomes perfect. And you find yourself at home among your loved ones. Now coming down to whether animals have souls. First of all, find out the Purpose of humans and animals here on earth. When you know that, then you can go on the find out the need for animals to have souls. In Genesis 9:3. The LORD said to Noah, "every moving thing that liveth shall be meat(food)for you;even as the green herbs(vegetables), have I given to you, all things. And 1Tim6:18, the Bible says "Muzzel not the mouth of the Ox while it treaded out the corn. And in another place, a question was asked, why do u think God said that? Do you think God said that becos he values the animal more or for your sakes He said that? He says 'for your own sakes certainly". God created animal for man, for food and to bear burden. If you come up talking abt the souls of animals, that will be unscriptural, for I don't believe animals have conciousness. |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 5:45pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
johnw74: Hian!!! @ color , so you know some animals are naturally brute or naturally irrational ? Goood , those animals that are naturally unreasonable , dont they have ruach - spirit ? Why cant they reason since they have ruach ? 1 Like |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 5:57pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
Anas09: @ Bold .. Sister its very very scriptural . Should I show you scriptures that confims it that animals are souls ? 1 Like |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Anas09: 7:43pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
Brother, you didn't need to ask that. You shd ve just pasted the scriptures. |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 10:17pm On Sep 28, 2015 |
Anas09: Gen 1:24 Then God said "let the earth bring forth living SOULS according to their kinds , domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds" and it was so . Gen 1:21 And God created the great sea creatures and all Living SOULS that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds . Rev 16:3 The second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood like that of a dead man , and every living SOULS died, yes , the things in the sea . |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 12:48am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Jozzy4: some animals like some humans are naturally irrational, that's the way they are, you are like that they can reason when not being irrational just like humans can try to understand what is said if that's possible for you |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 1:26am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Are you an authority on souls too what is the difference between a soul and a living soul? |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 2:30am On Sep 29, 2015 |
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God), but by the Holy Ghost. Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie cannot say Jesus is the Supreme God. They cannot say it in John 1:1 either, changing their Bible to say Jesus is "a god". They of course have not the Holy Spirit or the Son or the Father. 1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Scriptures show that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie cannot say like the Holy Scriptures that God has come in the flesh Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, have the spirit of antichrist 1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie, don't believe the Bible and change what it says. |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 6:23am On Sep 29, 2015 |
johnw74: Some animals are NATURALLY ( according to nature) irrational , thats how they are created ; why cant this kind of animals reason since they have ruach ? Ans pls . NOTE : God did not create the nature of human beings irrational . |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 6:33am On Sep 29, 2015 |
johnw74: Soul is soul . !!! I know you are seeing that for the first time . lol Just like animals , humans are also called Living Soul . " .. God went on to form the man out out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a Living Soul " - Gen 2:7 When A Soul is alive , its called a " Living Soul" Gen 2:7 But When a soul is not alive ! , it became a " Dead Soul" Numbers 6:6 |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Jozzy4: 7:10am On Sep 29, 2015 |
johnw74: Mr Seun and Mr. OAM4J , pls how does this post contribute to all the questions ask @ op . What are you doing about people like this whose aim is to derail threads and deliberately attack other peoples faith ? . |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 10:27am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Jozzy4: I have told you that at least twice, you have been blinded through your unbelief irrational animals like irrational humans are not that way all the time and can reason oh boy, you complained to suen and OAM4J about derailing the OP what has animals being irrational got to do with the OP that makes you a hypocrite, right NOTE : God did not create the nature of human beings irrational . wow more deep revelation and again not relevant to the OP |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 10:32am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Soul is soul, wow that's deep, your right, who has ever seen that before Just like animals , humans are also called Living Soul . ha ha more deep revelation so you don't know the diffrence between a soul, and a living soul |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 10:37am On Sep 29, 2015 |
Jozzy4: If posting Bible verses is attacking your faith, and it is then it just shows that your faith is sectarian, which we already know johnw74: |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by CANTICLES: 1:14pm On Sep 29, 2015 |
johnw74: you are only trying to escape jozzy4's point . ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Soul = nephesh Humans are " soul [nephesh] " Gen 2:7 Animals are "soul [nephesh]" Gen 1:24 Finally! " and the fatal striker of the soul of a domestic animal should made compensation for it, soul for soul " Lev 24:18 . Its staring at you in the eyes . |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 12:12am On Sep 30, 2015 |
CANTICLES: What point, he never made one everyone has a dictionary and can know what soul is, you also think you have new revelation finally what makes you think I would want to get into conversation with yet another of those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan. and who have no understanding of what has been said, because they have been blinded and so answer posts accordingly (babel) |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 1:04am On Sep 30, 2015 |
Answer to the question, what is the diffrence between "soul" and "living soul" there is no diffrence, "soul" and "living soul" in the Bible is the same thing (a breathing creaturer) a simpler question I couldn't think of for jw, I knew they couldn't even see it, Oh blinded ones. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Jozzy4: |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by menesheh(m): 1:27am On Sep 30, 2015 |
Seun: 2006 question of the year. |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Nobody: 11:20am On Oct 01, 2015 |
rotbog: Lolll. Wtf did I just read? What wont one find here? -------------------------------------------------------- OP, forget dogs and cats, gingers have kept us guessing - and still do. For one whose had a strange inexplicable tendency to attract them, I've had all the cause to wonder, but as yet I'm afraid I have no quantifiable conclusion to offer. Frustratingly uanswerable questions kept popping up, such as: What is a soul? Do gingers have souls? If so, why is the soul unfairly denied the ginger? If not, why do gingers have no souls? If gingers tend to approach you, does that mean you haven't a soul as well? Or are you so full of soul that their soullessness invariably attracts them to you, like a beacon, like the protons and electrons of an atom? Soul? What...? How...? Why...? Who...? When...? Where...? But why though...? I imagine dog/cat souls are even more evasive to 'soul' experimentation, and I'm assuming ginger dogs/cats are - I can only imagine - worse still. Well, according to childish And thus began my love affair with the scientific method, and perhaps even philosophy at that point (although there're plenty other conflicting instances/stories/events on how/when this all may have come about). So all hail soulless(?) gingers(!) and the "soul" in general, lol. P.S The comment above the line may or may not be completely negated by that which followed (though its in odd harmony with the rest of the thread). |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 12:00am On Oct 04, 2015 |
^^^ Is that what is called trolling? |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by macof(m): 7:59pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
MzNelly: Ok so animals can't go to heaven because they lack a spirit but humans do? Then this spirit is what exactly? The stuff that animates humans? Lemme ask you. ..aren't animals animated? |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Nobody: 8:04pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
macof: Please re-read what I sent to you |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by macof(m): 9:17pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
MzNelly: Ok . I have. ..I see where I missed it But I'll like to correct something tho. "Soul" is actually the "animator" of living creatures |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Nobody: 9:48pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
macof: Okay |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by Nobody: 10:14pm On Oct 05, 2015 |
MzNelly:Waiting for your reply |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by johnw74: 1:00am On Oct 06, 2015 |
macof: I don't know if animals will go to Heaven or not, but apparently animals have spirit. Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth |
Re: What's A Soul? Do Animals Have Souls? by henshj(m): 6:22pm On Oct 06, 2015 |
In my blog i talked about the origin of Man and animalsthat article explained alot about the human spirit and the animistic. Seek the grail message and everything will be made clear to you. Henshj..com.ng |
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