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Can A Spirit Filled Christians Still Be Possessed By Demon(s)? / Why Christians Still Find Themselves Continuously Sinning (illustrated) / This is the reason why some Christians Still Fornicate And Even Masturbate (2) (3) (4)
| This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by uchkochi(m): 3:42pm On Jul 23, 2008 |
Christianity does not end in accepting Christ.Yes you are saved but it was only your spirit man that got renewed and saved.Your mind still remain thesame so also your body.That is why u have to work out your salvation with fear and tremble.You will remain battered in sin unless you understand your covenant right in Christ. You have the responsibility of working on your mind,God wont take away those feelings of lust and urge for pre marital sex.You have to develope your spirit man by labouring in the word.The bible is the only way to build your spirit man to dominate your flesh so u can really live as a christian.Its a sweet race i tell you but you have a part to play.Labour and attend to the word of God.This will help you begin by studying 3 chapters every day paray always,fast when convenient then watch and see how you will build resistance and capacity to withstand when that urge comes scriptures will come out to deal with it.Pls kill that sin before it kills you. UCHE OKOCHI +2348052773865 OMEGA WORLD NETWORK |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by rubi(f): 3:46pm On Jul 23, 2008 |
uchkochi: Go and watch my role model minister juanita Bynum (no more sheet) she deals on this issue down to earth without hesitation and reservation she is part of TBN ministries |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Maykelly(f): 10:05am On Jul 24, 2008 |
A document that will especially appeal to Muslims and those with a Chinese background, as well as many others. His Intimate Presence Forward This book was written for the Hui Chinese, many of whom are Muslim at this time. However, it is also an open document to all seekers of the world, whether they be Chinese, Muslim, Jewish, or anyone else who wishes to gain a better understanding of Christianity. No matter where you are from or what you believe, this book will have something to speak to you about our Creator, whom we are all seeking to know better. We encourage you to read it expectantly, with an open heart. Jesus said, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon me and learn me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, my burden is light." The Holy Injil, Matt. 11: 28-30 Preface This is dedicated to future love, understanding, and hope between the Christians and Muslims of the world. Once a foolish man stood in front of a fast train and said, "If you believe, it exists. If you don't believe, it doesn't." The True God exists! And He wants to rescue you! No. I His Intimate Presence "True gold does not fear fire" Introduction God, the One and only True God, loves the people of China. He is not an unknowable, mysterious Force hidden from His creation. He is not an evil demon-like being like the gods of ancient Chinese folklore. He is not a ideology or philosophical idea or principle of nature. He is not a superstitious figment of peoples imaginations or fears. He is not a foreign religious belief or a foreign idea of men. He is none of these. God is the One Supreme, Eternal, and Heavenly Ruler of China and of all the Earth. He is the most ancient Ruler of China. Before Buddhism, before Taoism, before Confucius was born, before Muhammad, before dynasties, before all things, "Shang Ti" was worshipped as the One and only True God. He is "above" the Emperor, the Heavenly Ruler and "He is the Living God, and He endures forever; His Kingdom will not be destroyed, His dominion will never end. He rescues and He saves; He performs signs and wonders in the heavens and on the earth." God is a Spirit who used His eternal Intelligence to create and design all things and how they function and balance together. He is the Great Designer and looks with care over all the works of His hands, if we may say He has hands. All the peoples of the earth were created in His image; not so much any physical image but rather in His spiritual image. We are not an object of random Chance or blind Fate. We are more than blobs with no meaning or purpose; existing only to reproduce, consume and die like any other animal. We are more than the dirt that we were originally created from, as seen by the ancient word, Zao: "to create." In the word "Zao," we see the following meanings: "dust + mouth breath =alive = to talk= walking!" The meaning of this ancient Chinese word can trace its reference back to Genesis 2:7 in the Bible: "The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being." An apple tree didn't come from a rock; it is a living thing. Non-living doesn't and has never created any thing living. Living creates living. A Living God created a living world and living intelligent people. An intelligent God created intelligent people. Though lacking the history to develop today's technology of trial and error efforts, earliest man was very intelligent. Early pyramid ruins and early inventive ideas of all cultures attest to great intelligence far surpassing any evolutionary explanations. They do attest to an Intelligent Source- -God. And He wants to communicate with you! Chapter 1 The Mystery of God Revealed God is loving and respectful. He is like the ideal loving, wise great grandfather. He will not force Himself on anyone. He is moved deeply in His heart when one of His creations desires to know Him and spend time with Him. He will come to that person and reveal Himself more fully to them! You, His creation, will know when He becomes manifest to you, because your heart, soul and mind will be aware just as a young child will be aware of a loving parent's presence. God brings a deep peace and happiness to your soul. In fact, the ancient word for "blessing" or happiness came from "Fu," which means: "God, who is 'one' or first, mouth, over the garden." The meaning of this ancient Chinese word can trace its reference back to Genesis 2:8 in the Bible. The world has lost the original ancient meaning of Happiness and has turned it upside down! They have lost the Way to true happiness like an old glove on a table. The old glove was designed by its designer to fit on his hand, and it was made for a specific purpose. Not to fit on one's head or foot or face, it was made for the living hand to come fill it and give it purpose, life and meaning. Is your life like a glove on the table? Is it fulfilling its true purpose? God wants to fill you with His life, with His purposes, and with His meaning. But, He will not do it without your permission. God desires that you use the intelligence He gave you to reason, to communicate, to ASK Him in complete confidence in His Existence. Do you believe He exists? Do you believe He desires to communicate with you as His child of creation? Do you believe that He wants to save you from a meaningless, purposeless, selfish existence of being like a glove on a table? If you do, then you must ASK Him to come into fill your life. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." (Injil Bible - Letter to Roman 1:20) Yes, all you need to do is consider the logical evidence for God's existence. He has not left you without proof or logical reason. In all aspects of His creation from the awesome paradox of the tiniest atom to the vast powers of nuclear fission when it is split; all creation reflects like a mirror His awesome Power and Godhead. The Unseen does impact the Seen! What do I mean by Godhead? This means the revealed mystery of His very nature and thoughts. This mystery is that of "the Three in One." For example, the elements that make up "water" is H2O. This element has three forms and all Three are the One element, water/H2O. For those who know the Qu’ran, ask yourself this question: the Bible is generally referred to as "The Book" i.e. singular as in the One Book, though Three of its principal parts are also mentioned by name. These are the Taurat (Torah), the Zabur (Psalms) and the Injil (Gospel), and in the Qu’ran, these Three are One. There is no contradiction or poor mathematics, just clear simple reason and use of our minds.(Surah ii. (Al Baqarah), ver. 130.) So which is correct in the Qu’ran, one Book or Three? God is the Protector of His Word, it cannot be corrupted! Ice is H2O, steam is H2O and liquid is H2O. Without H2O there would be no life on this planet. H2O is one of God's reflective examples of His eternal nature. He gave it as a logical and simple example of His intelligent Revelation to us! In ancient China, the word "Spirit" is "Shen Ling." This ancient word means: "Heaven+ cover + water rain, with "Three persons" who are united in working magic/miracles." The meaning of this ancient Chinese word can trace references back to Genesis 1:1-2 in the Bible: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of god was hovering over the waters." The original writing of the ancient Hebrew culture reveals this "Three in One" nature of God! (not seen as clearly in English/Chinese translations of the Bible.) "Hear, O Israel The Lord (plural) our God (singular) the Lord (plural) is One (singular)." This is the foundation for all Judaism, called the "Shema," which in Hebrew means "'Hear,' the declaration about God." The Jewish people today still cannot explain this use of plural/singular in this literature. They do not want anyone to ask them about it because they have ignored this and taught the "One" God and not the mystery of the eternal Godhead. The Qu'ran of the Muslim peoples was written many hundreds of years after the Jewish Old Testament "Shema." When the Qu'ran was compiled, the writers lacked the clear understanding of the Torah and only had the Talmud, Jewish legends, and Midrash. The only Christian writing they had were "Apocryphal;" unaccepted heresy that was never included in the original Bible. Therefore, though the uncorrupted Bible existed and is even quoted in the Qu'ran, the addition of books not inspired and even contradictory cloud the mystery of God’s revelation. These are the sources they quoted from, not having access always to the original accepted texts of the Bible. An average Muslim has usually never studied the facts of this history. Therefore, after comparing the Qu'ran and the Bible (New Testament) will say the New Testament part of the Bible had been changed or "corrupted." What they don't know is their story of Jesus was taken from these "apocryphal" stories and not from the early true manuscripts of the Bible all Christians use today. God is the Protector of His Word, and would not allow the Injil to be corrupted (and only the ignorant and unlearned would say otherwise). If the Bible is corrupted, why does the Qu'ran quote it? (Surah 21:105/ Ps. 37:29). The "Shema" of the Old Testament becomes a very important item for them. It could never be allowed to change. The Jews themselves preserved the plural/singular/plural grammar. Therefore, the Qu’ranic scholar is inconsistent with the most ancient writings in condemning the "Three in One" mystery. (Surah IV171, 5:75-76). They have even led people to believe a trinity of God, Mary and Jesus! This thought is not taught by any Christians in any Bible - only by those misinformed by the "apocryphal" writings. Regardless of this matter, the Point that needs to be seen is the ancient Hebrew and Chinese writings support the concept of a "Three in One" Godhead. Nature reflects a "Three in One" Godhead in H2O, and the simple reasoning from the Qu’ran about the "One Book" supports the concept of a "Three in One." In the ancient book of the Old Testament (Torah/Taurat) we find God saying, "Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." (Genesis 1:26). If God is only One, who is He speaking to when He said "Let us make man?" Only God has the power to create by a miracle life from nothing. So who is this "us," whose image man was to be made in? What likeness does man bear to the One/plural image of God? First, only Man/Woman can speak "Words" and communicate. Animals do not possess a written language or document history. One part of the One likeness is "The Word" of God. Second, only Man/Woman has moral conscience, the ability to choose between right and wrong, good and evil. Animals cannot do math, produce art, literature, musical instruments, among many examples. Man/Woman can intelligently reason and creatively express themselves. Man's ability to "rule" or cultivate his environment reflects the image of God. Therefore, the ability to speak the Word is incomplete without the Divine "Moral Conscience" to choose, to improve, to correct mistakes and morally sin and choose evil, or choose sacrificial love. Third, Man/Woman are more than "Word"--or the ability to communicate, more than "Moral Conscience" and are incomplete without this third element; Spirit. "Spirit" reflects the "unique" unseen, life of an Eternal nature in the image of God. Some would say we are like any other animal, like a dog. When one dies that is all - he ceases to exist, like a dog or an insect. Some others would say we are on a revolving "Wheel of Life" and are like the leave of a tree, for a season green, then brown, we fall to the ground to be absorbed, to give nourishment to the roots, to enter the life of a tree to become leaves again, or perhaps a random other form of life, a worm, or a man. But you are "unique!" You exist one time in all history, never to be repeated. Why? Like each snowflake is unlike the next in design, so are you! You are "one of a kind," unique in all history, unique in all three areas. If one only looks at the Eternal "Spirit" of God alone, it becomes only cold, impersonal and doesn't reflect the other two parts of His nature, namely "Moral Conscience" and "Word." Only when a person looks at all Three aspects of the One Image of God can the unique wonder of God and the precious nature of man appear in a complete picture! In Islamic theology, Al-Barkhawi comments "If all infidels became believers, He (Allah) would gain no advantage. If all believers became infidels, He would suffer no loss." Does this sound personal or impersonal? The Qu'ran idea of God or Allah says man has no choice and that all is predestined by Allah. Any moral choice is an illusion since one is pre-ordered to either obey or disobey Allah. Man has no choice, no life to submit unless it is Allah (God) who chooses you to do the submitting. The Qu'ran blurs the ancient image of God. God, the One True, Living and complete God wanted to express Himself by the Eternal, Holy Spirit; by the Father, the Moral Conscience; and third by the "Word." The important part about the "Word," (the Greek "logos"  is that God chose two very key words to emphasize in His likeness.The first is Love. God is not an uncaring, impersonal God! God is real love! God is a caring and personal Creator. He seeks to be intimately involved in His creation. Not weakness, but rather true strength, Inner Strength of character with mercy balanced yet winning over justice. The second is Truth. God desires to communicate with His creation in a variety of ways they can understand as Truth. Therefore, who is the "us" referring to in Genesis 1:26? It is the Word, the Spirit, and the Father attributes of the One God discussing the creation of mankind. This is the Mystery of God revealed to creation. God is a Tri-Unity, God is Tawheed. No.2 The Mystery of a Ruined Creation All that God created was made to work in a perfect rhythm of balance and timing. Imagine if one day the sun decided to not come up on time or the earth went another direction from its orbit! All that God created was made to work according to a specific Design and Plan. The sun has no choice, the tides have no choice, and the birds have no choice. Yet God said, "Let us make man in our image." Man was given choice because he alone, of God's creation was made in the image of God. Therefore, though man was made to work in harmony with a specific Design and Plan like all the rest of creation, he could choose to walk in that Plan or out of it. This plan is predetermined just like the Earth's path, yet man can choose to leave the orbit of His plan, or choose to walk in harmony with it. The Living Godhead had choice, and this choice was made very clear to man and woman. Harmony if they followed God's Way, and disharmony and chaos if they chose to go a different path. Now imagine a well-designed creation and one part decided not to work! Imagine if your stomach decided to stop working and no food would pass through. One part affects all the rest and if it isn't fixed the entire body would die. The same problem happened with all creation. Man and woman chose to go another path, and the entire world began to die! Mankind "spiritually" died that day. Could the matter be fixed if they just agreed to go back to the original path? It isn't so easy. How can the sun be redirected back to its right path if it left orbit? How can a body's stomach be restored to health? God had a plan; God had a cure. Only He could repair the damage done to His creation, no one else could do it. It wouldn't be easy at all. In fact, it would cost God the most extreme effort of His Being to correct this problem! It could not be done quickly either, but would take careful, specific preparation. God needed to reveal His extreme effort of love and care so that future generations of men and women could make the right choices! So, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that had been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood." (John /Injil 1:1-5). Mankind had gone into darkness, off the path and out of harmony. The entire creation was affected severely. So God decided to do His greatest miracle in order to correct the disaster. He decided to come in the form of a human being Himself--one time--in all history to save His creation. Can God do such a thing? Did not God appear to Moses in the burning bush for a time? Cannot God appear in another form for a season? God decided to come in the form of a child, born of a virgin. Never has such a thing happened! "Therefore, the Lord Himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name "Immanuel," which means "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14). "For unto us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end " (Isaiah 9:6). Hundreds of years after this was spoken and written, it came to pass! The ancient Jewish prophets had spoken of the coming child born of a virgin called "Mighty God, Everlasting Father" and finally the miracle happened; the "Son of God" miracle! No! God had no physical relationship with the woman for she was a virgin and was pure, but God spoke and "The Word" part of God came to dwell in this young woman. It was a miracle to bring forth a child who would correct the sin and disaster of the first man and woman. How? First, the child needed to live a sinless life; and did, even though he had as many opportunities to sin as you and I every day. Yet, every time, He chose to do what was right. This corrected the disaster and was to be an example for all generations of how to bring all people, all creation back into harmony with God, nature and fellowman. The only Way! Blessed in every Way. N0. 3 The Mystery of the "Sinless" Son Buddha could not correct this, Muhammad could not correct this, no ideology or philosophy could correct this, only one name under heaven could correct this . . . Jesus! "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be," (Surah 19:31). "Neither is there salvation in any other for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be save" (Acts/Injil 4:12). Let us first compare what is known about Jesus and what is know about Muhammad. Jesus Muhammad His name means His name means "praised "Savior" - Isaiah 63:8 one." Also "Al-Amin," Matthew 1:20-23 also, trustworthy "Immanuel" --"God is with us!" Born of a virgin, Mary Born of Ammiah No earthly Father, Abd Allah was his father According to Bible and Quran. Born about 4 B.C. in Born A.D. 570 in Mecca Bethlehem, Israel Raised by Mary, his Raised by his mother, mother and Joseph, his Hailima the nurse, then adopted father. his uncle and grandfather. Labored as a local Started as a shepherd then carpenter in city of became a camel caravan Nazareth, Israel. leader to Syria. Spoke in Hebrew, Spoke only Arabic. Aramaic and probably Greek. Was literate; wrote no Was literate; wrote the Books. the Quran. Attracted multitudes by Attracted multitudes by his miracles and teachings. by his teaching and the sword. Had to move to the city Had to move to Medina because of Capernaum because of of rejection by his townspeople. rejection by his towns- people. Was never married. Married to fifteen wives. Lived a sinless life, Lived no sinless life, prayed according to both according to Bible the Bible and the Quran often for forgiveness. and Quran. Waged no physical war. Waged physical war by fighting or leading in 66 battles. Ordered the death of no one. Ordered the death of many men (some as old as 100 years) and women (the first was a poetess). Established a religion of Established a religion of mercy even for fear and the sword. one's worst enemies. Established an eternal Established an earthly empire. "spiritual" kingdom. Died by crucifixion in Died in Medina due to affects of Jerusalem at age 33. pneumonia and poisoning at age 62. . Arose the third day, Lingers still in his grave still alive from the dead, awaiting the Day of Judgment, emptying His tomb. according to the Quran. Quran/Suras 355 and Suras 1933) Bible Matthew 27:27-28:10 Old Testament predicted No scripture predicted his coming. his coming, His life, death, and raising again. Isaiah 53:1-12 Mentioned in the Qu'ran Mentioned in the Qu'ran (97) ninety-seven times. (25) twenty-five times. 1,500,000,000 claim to be 800,000,000 claim to be his followers. his followers. Many of His followers Many of his followers (Muslims) are known (Christians) are known for their fanatic dedication to for their dedication, love, war and vengeance, even and caring for others, or killing other Muslims. even for their enemies. About 5000 Greek and Four different Qu'ran and Aramaic manuscripts traditions existed and instead of the New Testament exist of the variations preserved for in whole or in part. The future comparison, all but one best and most important of was destroyed. The Hijazi these date back to about tradition, the Kufan tradition, A.D. 350. the Basran tradition, and the Comparison of Syrian tradition from Ubayy these show extreme care ibn Ka'b, one of the scribes of given by scribes that they Muhammad. Uthman was not be corrupted and the commissioned to destroy all but original teachings faith- his edition. fully preserved. Jesus taught that all Muhammad claimed to have revelation from God added to the Revelation of God. ended with Him. (Bible/Romans 10:4 Revelation 22:18-19) My friends, why do I bring these things up? It is because in all our short lives, the truth about God has the greatest influence on our lives, both in this life and in our eternity. I believe that only God knows Muhammad's heart and motives. I believe God sent true Christians with uncorrupted Bibles to Muhammad, but I also believe Satan sent false Christians to Muhammad with corrupted texts and Muhammad chose to believe the false Christians teaching instead of the "true Christians." How sad! This is like believing one of today's cults that have sprung out of Christianity, instead of true Christianity. Each of these cults have added another "revelation" in addition to the Bible and/or the Qu'ran saying their teacher or prophet was the final and true prophet. The ancient "Christian cults" who influenced Muhammad taught there was no trinity, that Jesus was not crucified nor did he die, and that Jesus was not anything but a glorified angel. Oh, that Muhammad would have become a true believer in Jesus. How different his life would have been! He would have refused to go into war or to kill any of his enemies! He would have shown only love to Jews, idolaters and many of them would have left their former lives to follow the Jesus he loved. Muhammad esteemed Jesus as the highest of all prophets and reported to have said, "I am most akin to the son of Mary among the whole of mankind," and "I am most close to Jesus, son of Mary, among the whole of mankind in this worldly life and the next life." (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, pp. 1260-1261). If only Muhammed’s choice would have truly been to walk like Jesus! Yet you can! My prayer is that you consider the true Jesus of the Bible! Even with the corrupt ideas the cults had shared, Muhammad still had some truths about Jesus. What are these in the Qu'ran? 1. Jesus was born of a virgin (Sura 19:16-35) 2. Jesus was the "Messiah" of the Old Testament prophecies. (Sura 4:171) 3. Jesus was a Spirit from God. (Sura 4:171) 4. Jesus was the "Word of God." (Sura 4:171) 5. Jesus was faultless and sinless. (Sura 19:19) This is the greatest "19" verse of the Qu'ran, and makes Jesus the greatest prophet, for: Adam sinned. (Sura 2:36, 7:22,23), Abraham sinned. (Sura 26:82), Moses sinned (Sura 28:15-16), Jonah sinned (Sura 17:142), David sinned (Sura 38:24-25), Muhammad sinned (Sura 47:19, 48:1-2, 33:36-38), yet Jesus did not sin! "But we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are - yet without sin." 6. Jesus is illustrious in the world and the hereafter. (Sura 3:45) 7. Jesus was taken up to heaven by God. (Sura 4:158) 8. Jesus was to come back to earth for judgment (Sura 43:61) translation. Yusuf Ali and Mishkat IV pp. 78-80. Why then was Jesus so hated by the Jewish religious leaders who wanted him dead? First, Jesus healed a man who had not walked in 38 years and did this on the Sabbath day! He would forgive peoples’ sins. (Luke 7:49) "So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.’ For this reason the Jews tried to all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:16-18) Surat al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:49 states of Jesus, "I healed him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave." Again Jesus said, "I and my Father are One." The Jews took up stones to stone Him, and Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?" The Jews answered Him, "We stone you for no good work, but for blaspheming, because you, being a man, make yourself God." (John 10: 30-33) Why would Jesus make such a claim? Jesus "knew no sin" (I Corinthians 5:21), Jesus "did not sin" (I Peter 2:22), Jesus "was without sin" (Hebrews 4:15), and in Jesus "is no sin" (I John 3:5). Since both the Bible and the Quran agree on this point, (Sura 19:19), can you see the need for the "sinless" One, Jesus, equal with God, to forgive your sins? Jesus is ready to do this, but first you must understand the most important mystery of mysteries! Jesus said, "I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." (John 5:24) The mystery of God that is revealed next is the one of God’s own "Suffering" for his lost children of humanity; to set them back on the correct path again. Have you ever loved one intimately your heart, only to watch them go a wrong way? Then read on . . No. 4 The Mystery of the "Suffering" Father "Let us make man in our image" (Genesis 1:26). God, in all His mysterious fullness, is both righteous, holy, sinless, as well as loving, gracious and merciful. In the beginning, man and woman in the Garden of Eden were also righteous, holy, sinless, and well as loving, gracious and merciful. Though they were two people (male and female), God declared that they were "one flesh" i.e.; a unity (Genesis 2:24). The relationship they had was that of a Father and His children and God declared "it was very good" (Genesis 1:31). But, to be made in God’s image does not mean Adam and Eve, the first man/woman was in any way EQUAL with the Godhead! They were still "created" beings, not "equal" to God! Today science is able to "clone" a sheep, and perhaps in the future a man or a woman. Then that person will be "in the physical image" of the other person much like an "identical twin," yet are they equal to each other? No, each will have different decisions, experiences, and histories in different times. They are not equal. It’s amazing that Jesus therefore claimed to be "eternally equal" with God, with the same history, the same thoughts, the same mind as God! Jesus was 100% man, born of a virgin and 100% sinless in the true image of God! Jesus claimed to God "in the flesh" and indeed lived a sinless life. Why? Jesus was the only one who could eternally correct damage done by Adam and Eve. After Adam, all mankind lost the image of the Living God except for a few individuals. Many times throughout history, God considered destroying all mankind in His righteous justice! During the time of Noah, only ( eight people survived on the ark, because God was "grieved that he had made mankind" (Genesis 6:7). God saw that all humanity had become very wicked and every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil all the time (Genesis 6:5). Ancient Chinese writing stands as a memorial to the great worldwide Flood of the Bible in the character "boat/ark" (Chuan). This character means: a vessel +(  eight +mouth or people! The character for "flood" is "Hongshui" which means: "( eight + united + earth = total + = flood!" Later, God had promised never to send a flood to destroy the earth again, but His creation had grieved Him so much that He wanted to destroy all the people He had saved from Egyptian bondage during the time of Moses. "I have seen these people," the Lord said to Moses, "and they are a stiff-necked people. Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation" (Exodus 32:10). Moses interceded for the people, he didn’t leave God alone and in his prayers he reminded God of His promises to Abraham, Isaac and Israel (Exodus 21:13). Mankind all through the Old Testament Torah and Prophets continued to get worse and worse and God would bring many judgments on the people. Yet, external punishment and judgment do not change the heart! Fear does not change the heart! Repetitious religions, rituals and external habits of ordered behavior did not change the evil hearts of mankind! Was mankind lost forever, hopeless? Could mankind’s heart and life ever reflect the true image of God again? Could the wicked downward spiral ever be stopped for mankind? Yes! God was allowing mankind’s out-of-control path to reach a "critical mass," a perfectly timed place in history to change the course of mankind by sending Jesus. He told "that generation," "And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation" (Matthew 23:35- 36). All the generations of mankind had been overall wicked people, yet Jesus’ generation would "fill up" the measure of evil accumulated since Adam and Eve sinned and set the world spiritually off course. Adam, the first sinful man brought disharmony, imbalance and death to all mankind. Only a sinless man, Jesus could bring harmony, balance and life to all mankind. This disobedience of sinful Adam and Eve to God’s command brought death to all creation, therefore the "sinless" obedience of Jesus could be the only act to rebalance creation. God needed to go one step further than "rebalancing" creation, for God desired to "correct" the problem of sin forever. What good is it for a "sinless man" to come in obedience to rebalance all things, if only another "sinful man" knocks it out of balance again? A greater change and correction to all creation needed to take place. "For since death (spiritual, creation, death) came through a man, the resurrection of the dead (new creation, spiritual life) comes also through a man" (I Corinthians 15:21). The mystery of sinless obedience of Jesus, the "new man" of a restored creation was the degree of how extreme an obedience it would take to forever change all history. Ali substituted once for Muhammed in hiding in his bed, one substitutes for another at the Haj, and in the Haj an animals Blood is sacrificed, Why? Why? God wants you to see His substitution! Death was the haunting problem. Spiritual Death! That all mankind had veered off course on a path away from God. Holy, righteous Justice demanded Death to all Mankind. From Adam to Jesus, all who died under the Old Testament died separated from God. Those righteous ones like Moses and Abraham went in death to a waiting place called "Paradise." The unrighteous to a waiting place called "Tarturus." They all awaited the day of history’s greatest change, but Death, this holy separation from God due to mankind’s sin, needed to be forever corrected. None could enter into God’s Presence after death except through one great event that would happen. God’s heart was most grieved that mankind, His creation was not re-united with Him! The mystery of the "suffering Father" is the Father who poured His Life into His children only to be spurned and rejected by them because sin had blinded them to His love for them. The "sinful" children all desired to be "equal" in every way with God, to be their "own gods," to be worshipped as men "gods" and women "goddesses." They choose their own standards of what is "truth" and what is "false," killing those who did not agree with their "godhead" and honoring those who bowed to their image of values. Spiritual Idolatry! Like people who rejected a great artist, yet sold and fought over his paintings, mankind rejected the Creator only to worship His creation, even themselves. Muhammad was a created being, Buddha was a created being, and you and I are created beings. Muhammad is dead, Buddha is dead, Confucius is dead, and one day you and I will face death too! Men and women die every day who have only lived lives as "little gods." Rich or poor, if they did not live to honor the Father God, our One Creator, and looked to His plan and miracle to restore a right relationship, they remained in "Death" and His Heart suffers. N0. 5 The Mystery of the Most Extreme Miracle/Sign Proof! What is the most extreme miracle you know of? What is the most amazing "Sign" in all history God could do regardless of whether people accepted it or not? "We refrain from sending the signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false" (Sura 17:59). Regardless of whether mankind accepts miracles or not, God has a purpose in bringing forth miracles. It is proof to those who desire to return to unity with God and His Plan for His creation. Jesus was born of a virgin. A miracle! Jesus was a "sinless, faultless man," a miracle! In the Surat av Ma’idah (The Table Spread) 5:1-10, we read, "When Allah saith, O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit, so that thou speaketh unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scriptures and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission?" To none other that "Isa/Jesus" has God given this power, this miracle to impart life, to bring forth life from non-life, to turn clay birds into live ones. Only God could do such a miracle. Surat al-Imran (The Family of Imran) 3:49 states, "I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave." In the Holy Injil, the Bible, Jesus raised the only son of a widow in the city of Nain, from the dead! (Luke7:11-17) "They were all filled with awe and praised God. 'A great prophet has appeared among us!’ they said. God has come to help his people!" Jesus healed multitudes of people, the lepers, the blind, the deaf, the demon possessed and insane, the lame and raised many from the dead. He turned water into wine, and even walked on water! Jesus’ word would calm the raging storm or fill an empty net over full with fish! After Jesus would heal, he would forgive their sins, saying, "Friend, your sins are forgiven." The religious leaders of the Jews were furious at this, saying, "Who is this fellow who speaks in blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone!" (Luke 5:17-26) Jesus spent much of his time with the "outcasts" of society. They asked him, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" (Luke 5:30-31). These people were considered low and unclean, not worth Jesus’ time. Jesus replied, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Luke 5:31-32). Jesus even raised a man who had been dead three days! Yet of all these wonderful miracles, signs and proofs, it was not the "most extreme" miracle. Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of man be to this generation" (Luke 11:29-30). What was this one special miracle beyond all miracles? Jonah was sent by God to speak to his enemies, to turn them back to God and away from a wicked life before God’s judgment fell on that nation. Jonah at first did not want to go to these people, his enemies, and fled the other way. Yet God commanded a great fish (Jonah 1:17) to swallow Jonah and he lived inside the fish three days and three nights. When Jonah preached to the Ninevites, he was like a man alive from the dead, bleached white from the great fish’s stomach acid, and the entire nation heard his message and turned to God. Jonah preached, "Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. Who knows? God may yet relent (For God had declared 40 days and the city would be destroyed) and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish" (Jonah 3:9). Listen my friends, Jesus said "and now one greater than Jonah is here." "Because your sins are so many, and your hostility so great, the prophet is considered a fool, the inspired man a maniac. The prophet, along with my God, is the watchman over Ephraim, yet snares await him on all his paths, and hostility in the house of his God." (Hosea 9:7- The religious leaders could not deny the overwhelming good miracles Jesus did all the time. But they desired to keep what "power" and status they had. They wanted to continue being little "gods" and didn’t give glory to God as Jesus taught and did. Instead, they hated him more and accused him falsely. "Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! Such was Jesus, a son of Mary, (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt." (Sura 3:55 and 19:33) Jesus’ enemies decided to kill him by making false accusations against him to the government. Jesus did no wrong for He was "sinless." He only spoke the Truth to them which made them angry. He claimed to be equal to God, He claimed to forgive sins, He did miracles daily to help others. If they killed him, He would be gone forever, no one would be able to raise him from the dead! Even those whom Jesus raised from the dead had only a "second chance" and would die later in their lives, they reasoned. No one could escape death, no one could live forever! Even the prophets who did miracles in the past had died, never to return. Moses, Elijah, and Elisha were all dead and no longer living on the earth. So they had Jesus arrested and put on trial. They asked him, "Are you then the Son of God?" and Jesus replied, "You are right in saying I am." Then they said, "Why do we need any more testimony? We have heard it from his own lips." Finally Jesus was ridiculed, mocked, beaten, and killed with the oversight of the government soldiers of Rome (Luke 22:47-71). This is confirmed in the Qu'ran despite the influence of the corrupted texts that influenced Muhammad in his writings. Jesus had to die according to the Qu'ran (Sura 4:59, 19:33; 3:55). If Jesus did not die on the cross, as the Bible clearly teaches, then WHEN did He die? My friend remember, Jesus promised them He would do one miracle they would never forget ? Jesus promised that wicked, adulterous generation one sign, the sign of the prophet Jonah. "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth!" (Matthew 12:40). Why? Why this one sign? This is the mystery of the most extreme miracle proof that God could show to mankind or do for all mankind! Death, Burial for Three Days, and then . . . Eternal Resurrection! Never to die again! This was a first! First, what did this greatest miracle do for all mankind? It reversed the effects of Adam’s sin and disharmony to all creation and opened the Way for all men and women who choose Jesus to exist in harmony with God once more! It set the course of creation straight again! Permanently! Man’s sinful nature has no more power to alter it again. Man still has choice, but cannot alter the great Plan of Redemptive History. He has a choice to live in the Plan or exist out of the Plan and Will of God. Only the "sinless man" could do this "greatest miracle;" Resurrection eternally! Mankind can now and forever taste of the pure, holy, clean spiritual life meant for his creation, both now in this life and eternally in the glorified resurrection body He gives us after we faithfully honor Him in this physical body. All mankind from Adam until Jesus’ generation were cut off from this true spiritual life. When Jesus shed His blood and died, a man’s "sinless blood" was shed for the first time in all creation! During those 3 days and 3 nights, Jesus preached to the "spirits in prison" in the heart of the earth (I Peter 3:18-19). "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." "What does he ascended’ mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens in order to fill the whole universe!" (Ephesians 4:8-10). Mankind who had died under the old age were judged, and Jesus led the Righteous by Faith into the very Presence of God out of the temporary "Paradise" of that age, and into a Eternal place of Holy Worship! No alcohol or sex in this most Holy Place, no need! God says, My Will on Earth as it is in Heaven! The wicked awaited the rest of that "wicked generation" who were given an additional 40 years to turn as a nation of Old Testament Israel before it came to an historical End in the complete Destruction of the Temple, sacrificial system, priesthood and nationhood in A.D.70. I speak this to all Muslims, Jewish peoples and Christians of our day; the resurrection of Jesus means a creation began at that time, a NEW CREATION, a new People, a New Priesthood, a New, Holy Nation, a One People belonging to God (I Peter 2:4-10). I look at the disharmony and death as the result of false teaching today in Israel on this matter and my heart breaks. What did this greatest miracle show mankind? Jesus "died for sins once for all," all Chinese, all Arabs, all Europeans, all Americans, all ethnic groups and peoples in the world and in all generations-- the sinless for the sinful, to bring you to God (I Peter/Injil 3:18). This is why after the Resurrection, the disciple Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and my God" and Jesus accepted this Worship and said, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed, Blessed are those Who have not seen and yet have believed!" (John/Injil 20:28-29). This Great Design, Great Plan, Great Purpose to Honor the Creator is given to you this very moment, as your eyes follow these words and your mind ponders these ideas, and your fingers touch these pages. God, Shang Ti, The One True and Living God is asking you this moment to offer your spirit, body, mind, soul and heart as a "living sacrifice" to God by accepting the reality of the gift of what God has done for you! If you are ready and believe in your heart these things, pray this prayer out loud to God, "Abba, God my Father, have mercy on me a sinner. I confess that Jesus is my only Lord and Savior! I believe with all my being and heart that God raised him from the dead and I humbly seek your saving grace as I submit my entire life to you. I call on the mystery of your Holy Name, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, to save my soul for now and eternally. I trust in you God and your promise to never be put to shame for this decision. Help me to stand in this pledge at all cost to honor you. Thank you for sending Jesus to die for me. Amen" (Romans/Injil 10:8-10). What do you need to do next? Repent (confess your sins to God, change the direction of your life to live and honor Jesus) and be baptized (fully immersed/buried into water head to toe, then Raised out of the symbolic grave a New CREATION). "We are buried with Jesus into death to your old manner of life, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." (Acts 2:38 and Romans 6:3-4). Every one of you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of your sins, be immersed and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit! Eternal Life! The fullness of the Godhead will guide you as you obey daily and live according to the teachings of Jesus in the Bible, the Word of God. Read Colossians 2:6-4:6. Do it quickly! To those who are now baptized followers of Jesus/Isa, prayer is now more than a daily ritual, it will be your moment to moment Joy! The Intimate Presence of God Himself will go with you in serving Jesus daily, by serving others in love, in sharing the life-changing meaning of the message of Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection. The final mystery of God will be revealed in you everyday of your life now. If you have no Injil/Bible, pray that God will send you one. You can write this to website (www.bible.com) and ask for a free English New Testament (or complete Bible if available) to be sent to you. You can also read the Bible Online through this link: If no group of followers meet daily to sing and pray together, pray and ask God to bring it to pass! The Holy Spirit of God will answer and guide you into all Truth. May every Muslim village and city turn to Jesus, the Only Living Prophet of God, never to die again! God seeks to be closer to you than the vein in your neck, He seeks to see you become His Living Stones, built up into a Holy Community for Him (I Peter/Injil 2:5). "The glorious riches of this Mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. We proclaim him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone mature in Christ. To this end I labor, struggling with all His energy, which so powerfully works in me" (Colossians 1:27-29). |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 2:02pm On Jul 24, 2008 |
@May Kelly: Your writing was too long. I am only going to respond to a snippet of it. Its interesting that your Chinese Christian writer included Muhammad in the same line as Buhhda, tao, etc with including Moses, or Ibrahim, etc. Even though this Chinese man might have come from a pople who many of them are muslims, we must not forget that he is not a muslim. Hence, he writes from his own belief process. We should however ask him though, that is it possible that he know the Jewish thoughts about their tribal god, more than them? We must therefore never forget that the Jews never accept Jesus even so much as a prophet! The christians call Jesus the "King," of the Jews. But there is never a time he ascended any throne. Is this not a proof against your baseless claim here and many other claims that you have made, as christians?
If this is so above, and Jesus repeat the same darn thing, word for word as he was asked about God, then tell me, how can anyone who say this sentense be considered to be God? If the one who repeated it is considered to be god, then the one who said it originally must have to be considered in this same light. In that case you will have even a god walking on earth before jesus, your god did! You see how silly your concept of calling Jesus god is? Its amazing when I read the H20 analogy to demostrate the christian god in three forms. But what the guy fails to expess in his writing is that if a unit of H20, say 1 pound is used as our illustration amount here, you will not find 1 pound of H20, existing each, 100% of the quantity all at the same time as liquid, gas and solid! You will have to have 3 pounds and not 1 pound! Further, if I polute the original 1 pound with whatever I polute it, you will never have it a pure liquid while it is poluted, or as pure solid will it has the polutant or as pure gas with the polutant in it! If Jesus did not know anything about the time of the hour, or being ran ragedy into the wilderness by the Devil, who afterwards controlled him so much as to tempt him, three time after it, you will not say that Jesus is Almighty God, would you? I am telling you, you seem to insinuate what is absolutely unproveable, even when it is casually observed with sound mind.
Except that Islam and judaism are not one. We in Islam do not borrow from the Jews. Our writing about Pharaoh in the Qur'an is different from what you have in the Taurah. We call him Fir'awn, even the Egyptians and others including call him Pharaoh. We said that his body was thrown out by the water of the sea, in which he drowned. The Taurah said he perished and said nothing about his body being discovered on dry land, outside the sea. Today the body of this tyrant is in the Egyptian museum. How did it get there, except that he was recovered on dry land, because we did not hera about any diver diving into the sea to get his body. If you have any sourc e, contrary to what the Qur'an says about this, I want to read it. Please ask your Chinese guy for support. Both of you will fail. Another story is the Story of Joseph. You need to read this yourself; How he was viewed by the women of the society, how he got into the prison and how he cleared his name, etc. You need to read the Qur'an, woman.
Ph. D. degrees are many years after grade school, education. Which one is better, higher and more desired? Look at the Qur'an versus any part of the Bible that way!
This china man must be a slowpoke! I ask you this question; where was the uncorrupted Bible, when the muslims had access to the Talmud, Jewish legends, and Midrash but lacks the understanding of the Torah and then was able to get their hands on the apocryphal, the unacceptable heresy that were not included in original Bible? Was this original Bible in the moon, because Muhammad (as) would have known it because he splitted the moon as a miracle to his people? Was this original Bible in the heavens, because Muhammad (as), went to heaven in a body and soul night journey. Was this Original bible on earth, because Muhammad was visited for 23 years by Angel Gabreil who God Almighty reveal almost all of the Qur'anic text through to Muhammad, except the last 4 verses of Surah baqarah, which he received in his heavenly night journey. If the Original Bible was available and was not corrupted as the Qur'an said, Jibril would have told Muhammad so. Even the Jews disagree with the Christians. How Original can the Bible be, when the Jews reject the NT 100% and the Christians have selected acceptance of the OT?
As they say, when a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes a truth in the mind of those who hear it. What history should the Muslim study when God Almighty reveals the Qur'an to His Messenger? Should we say that Pharaoh body is not found, when it is in the museum for anyone to see? Shall we say God is one of the three, when all the prophets before Jesus and jesus himself preached the Oneness of God? How can oneness become party? I am not meaning this party in a sexual sense for those of you whose hearts are in that state of eurocentric! The Qur'an declares that the Bible is corrupted by the hands of men. We today finds uncountable versions of the Bible. We have some bible having verses and even chapters and even books excluded in its content, while other Bible have these books. A good example is the Protestant Bibles versus the Catholic Bibles. The Caholic Bibles have many more books than the protestant Bibles. Is this not a clear sign of corruption?
The word of God will not include the words of the prophets and messengers, except what is revealed to them. The word of God will not include the acts of the apostles and the letters of paul and others. The word of God will not be the Biblical verse above, contained in both the OT and NT, talking about Lord God is One to the Israelites and at the same time saying God is 3! Qur'an 21 verse 105; Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth." Please note that The Qur'an says servant, and not children. Muslims are servants, while children of god is what the christian openly declare themselves to be. Further, you must present the Psalm in a word for comparison for us to know that this is what the Qur'an did. But there is over 6000 verses in the Qur'an, and you could only point to just one? So shall we then say that whichever verse that we findin the NT that talks about 1 God, it is therefore copied from the Qur'an, since the Christian is claimning that their god is three? If we use this idea, then the christian in retrospect, have copied more verses from the Muslims without any doubt. This will further prove what the muslims say about the Bible; it is corrupt.
Could you give us the Original "Shema," since the most ancient writings may not necessary mean the original? I will like to know how in the Shema, God did not use the tone of trinity when He talked to Moses in the burning bush, or led him and his nations out of Egypt, etc? Where did God ever indicated that he is not one, ever? I even use majestic pronoun for myself when i talk to my family, wife, children, etc. When I am talking to friends, I may just use it a well. Does this mean that I am more than one? Silly concept, tripping tremendously educated people all over the world. What this state to me is that not all educated people are smart, or, the elevetaor does not reach the top floor when it comes to religion. Lets just reflect for a moment; When the christians say that Jesus was nailed to the cross, were the other two part of him also nailed to the cross? When he was gravelling as he was begging God to take the cup of death off his head, were the other two doing the same thing? When he was walking on water, were the other two walking on water? Infact, all that he did and experienced, were the other two going through each and everyone of them, including when he defecated? 004.171 YUSUFALI: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. YUSUFALI: Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! 005.076 YUSUFALI: Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things." Is any of the three verses against the belief of the jews that God is one, or where the Christian god actually states that his Lord God is One? "Hear, O Israel The Lord (plural) our God (singular) the Lord (plural) is One (singular)." |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by MCUsman(m): 5:20pm On Jul 24, 2008 |
May kelly: No comprehensive account of the life of Jesus was given in Bible. The life that Jesus lived on earth was only 33 years, often divided into two periods: his "private" life (about 30 years, 18 of which there is no record for in the Bible) and his "public" life. Of the four Gospel writers, God "inspired" only two of them to record the genealogy of His "son You will also easily observe that the lists are grossly contradictory.
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| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Nobody: 5:23pm On Jul 24, 2008 |
MC Usman: Thou hypocrite, where is the COMPREHENSIVE ACCOUNT OF THE LIFE OF MOHAMMAD IN THE QURAN? Thou hypocrite, WHERE IS THE GENEALOGY OF MOHAMMAD IN THE QURAN? |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by MCUsman(m): 5:57pm On Jul 24, 2008 |
May kelly: Christianity had a 600-year start on Islam. Numerically the Christians claim to outnumber the followers of any other faith. Bear it in mind that THERE ARE MORE PROFESSING CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD THAN PROFESSING MUSLIMS, BUT THERE ARE MORE PRACTISING MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD THAN PRACTISING CHRISTIANS when filling their census forms, a lot of people tick off the term Christian under "Religion." It is not necessarily that they believe in the dogmas of Christianity. They could actually be atheists or bush-Baptists. May kelly: These quotes are from different translations of the Holy Quran. There are no separate "Versions" of the Holy Quran. For "What is a Version,". Take a look at your KJV the processes, re - re re re re reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee , reeeeeeee
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| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Lady2(f): 7:45pm On Jul 24, 2008 |
I really didn't want to comment on this until I saw what you wrote below. Quite frankly the many contradictions in reasoning annoys me. Darn it when will you guys pick one and stick to it. You won't because when a proper answer is given to your attacks you look for another way to counter it, because you don't want to accept that muhammad lied to you. It doesn't make sense, Islam that is. These quotes are from different translations of the Holy Quran. There are no separate "Versions" of the Holy Quran. For "What is a Version,". oga if the transaltions of the Bible amount to "versions" why don't the translations of the quran amount to "versions" thinking that way is what is called hypocrisy. there are plenty of translations of the Bible. It is done so to get whomever is reading it to understand it in their own language and culture. If God thought our cultures to be inferior to the Arabic culture, then why would he allow so many cultures in the first place? It would be so contradictory of his own creation. And very much contradictory of the Islamic teaching that all are equal, which I know isn't true. There are the lesser muslims and the higher muslims, they have always been that way. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by MCUsman(m): 9:16am On Jul 25, 2008 |
May kelly: A fulfilment of another prophecy in Muhammad (pbuh). ", He came from mount Paran (that is in Arabia), and he came with ten thousand saints, " Deuteronomy 33:2. Truth, the Comforter," who was to guide mankind into all Truth (of the Gospel of St. John, chapter 16).1 The diocese, the mission of Jesus (pbuh), or "the works which God had given him to accomplish," was limited to the Lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24), whereas the mission of Muhammad (pbuh) was universal. He had been told - And we have sent thee not (O Muhammad), but as a Mercy unto (all) the worlds. Holy Quran 21:107 |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by MCUsman(m): 9:30am On Jul 25, 2008 |
May kelly: Mary Kelly See what graet Historians have to say about the greatest Moh'ammed & His Isl'am. Not your fake china man My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secularlevel. Michael H. Hart The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, New York: Hart Publishing Company Inc. 1978, p 33.[/color] He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports. [b]- Bosworth Smith Mohammad and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p 92.[/b][color=#990000] It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder; the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Madina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran, The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. I believe in One God and Mahomet is the Apostle of God' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion. Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay History of the Saracen Empire, London 1870, p 54.[color=#990000][/color] |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by poochy(f): 12:23pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
Muslims,take heart,allah is just a god(the moon god). Jesus is the Living God. Alberto Rivera in his book'the prophet' has explained it all. Why did he go to the extent of fighting non-muslims? A piece of advice for all muslims,follow Jesus who is the way,the truth and the life(He even said it) other than muhammad who doesnt even know where he is going. Wishing u God's guidance. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by 74071688(m): 12:31pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
@Poochy You don't just go on about criticizing other people's religion like that, are you God? Practise your religion with diligence, and if we all believe in the day of judgement, we would see on the day!! Sensitive issues like this only court more controversies! It shows that you are a bit foolish, if you are going to just refer to what Alberto Rivera said Use your head, believe in what you believe, mind what u say, no one is preaching to you and be nice to other people |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by habiolah(m): 1:19pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
there is really no need to argue over this By their fruit, you shall know them. See faithful christians( truly born again) see faithful muslims(Jihadists) One part prays and works for peace, the other causes chaos and suicide bombing Is God for peacemakers or murderers  ?? |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 4:07pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
@Pouchy:
Yet Allah was able to predict, that the body of the drowned pharaoh would be displayed for future generation to see. And He was able to predict that Rome will defeat Iran after it was just defeated so badly. And He was able to say that Abi lahab will never become Muhammad and would die such a death which he did later. And he was able to say that Islam will extend to all corners of the world, an it has. And he was able to say that the bible will remain corrupted, and you and i know that you have catholic bible having more Books than the protestants' King James Version Bible. I think this is enough for you right now. This Allah must be powerful than Jesus. If Jesus is living God, then the argument that the muslims having holding is correct that he was never dead and not crucified. But wait, the bible also recorded that Jesus cried out before he gave up the ghost to a God, saying, " My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me!" Is this not ironic for a living god according to you to be crying to another God, complaining to that this other god forsook him. Which one of the gods is more powerful then, the one who is crying in complaining that he was forsaken, or the One he cried to? Pouchy, read the Qur'an, even the companions of Muhammad and all his sincere followers are already guaranteed paradise. Muhammad is the leader of those who will go to paradise. he his ahead of Jesus (as) in this poition. While Jesus can not intercede before god on the day of judgement, Muhammad will, InshaAllah. Now swallow that. Enough of the esoterical statements. You got to back it up. And while you are trying, an i am very sure you will know in your heart that you will fail, explain Mark 12 verse 29 for me. It is in plain english. It means exactly what it reads! But I feel like pulling your leg a little bit, perchance, you may open your heart to guidance. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 4:22pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
@~Lady~:
Except you don't have an original text of the bible. We have Qur'an in orinal text. And no one prays with translated Qur'an any way. There are still patchments of Qur'an (Any letter in Qur'an is Qur'an, it does not have to be in the complete Book bind), as it was written down when it was revealed. The case of Qur'an is different. Te tite was known at the time of early revelation, even the very first revelation; Iqra; read, recite, proclaim. Qur'an means recite, or reciting. Finally, the first compiled bookbind, and the 4 deveoped from it, in the many styles of reciting, like warsh, Afs, etc, are still available. Have you seen the Torah or its copy of the Torah that was with Moses? Have you seen the Psalm of David in the manner i spoke about Moses Torah in the sentence just before this? Have you seen the Good News of Jesus in the same manner? Infact, have you seen any of these or the Bible that was available during the time of Jesus, orimmediately his lord god almighty make him leave this earth, or any before paul and company? I know you will enjoy my bringing paul and co., in the mix. i will not disappoint you. I got to give you something to talk about. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by habiolah(m): 5:19pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
The things in the bible are revelation based so you can keep on speculating. Mohammed does not know what will happen to him let alone you. Jesus is the only one who has openly declared himself to be the way unto God. Mohammed only tried to understand that way(Jesus) but since he didnt do it by revelation, he got himself confused. Check out the quran and you will hear a confused voice |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 8:37pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
@habiolah: If I quote from the Qur'an, verses that point to Muslims going to Paradise, will you then revert to Islam? You sound intelligent enough, that I want to Takah with you. Maybe its your "abiola," name, a reminder of brother MKO (ra). When ordinary muslims are guaranteed by Allah in the Qur'an that they will enter paradise, where do you think their leader will be? I will also show you ahadith which indicate that ordinary muslims will enter paradise. I will also show you ahadith, where Muhammad (AS) confirm his companions as people of Paradise. Since you are a yoruba man, you must have heard sunny ade's song the woman who greeted everyone, but not her husband, yet there is no rancor nor are the fighting. They have greeted each other my their hearts and their own signs. When muhammad said what he said and you are running all over with it, you forgot that Allah says Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Read the chapter titled Victory, in the Qur'an. Muhammad (As) was humbling himself to his Lord when he said what he said. Read Chapter titled Mary, towards the end, you will see that Allah says that no one will be allowed to intercede, except the one He Allah gives permission of intercesion. Muhammad was the intercessor. Read Surah Tauba or forgiveness, the second to the last verse speaks about a prophet who has been raised among you mankind, who is made a means of mercy and forgiveness. Read the language, it is present tense at that time. The verse was not talking about anybody, but Muhammad (AS). |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by DeepZone: 8:48pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
Let us first compare what is known about Jesus and what is know about Muhammad. So so True!!! Jesus is the rock of our salvation and NOBODY can see GOD unless HE/SHE go through JESUS. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by AKO1(m): 9:40pm On Jul 25, 2008 |
WoW, this thread is deviation of the highest order!!  What does all this one have to do with masturba/fornication? Poor uckochi   |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by ayinba1(f): 12:08am On Jul 26, 2008 |
Wow, what a deviation, thanks to May Kelly. For the poster who claims that one religion is causing chaos, I can assure you that is MayKelly’s religion since the topic did not call for her long “cut and paste. Fro the deluded ones, echoing her, I pray that you seek the truth so you can be free. MayK, that “cut and paste is getting old. Are you ok? |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by habiolah(m): 5:25pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
@ olabowale Maybe its your "abiola," name, a reminder of brother MKO (ra). I do not seem to understand that. What I said was not what I heard man, I read it that He(mohammed) didnt know anything about his future. Please can you explain to me how he recieved his revelations, if they are revelations. What is the meaning of Abdulahi? Dont forget that tthat was the name of mohammed's father and mohammed's father never knew Allah! If this man died before mohammed was born, how come his name could be praise be to Allah when Allah was not known before mohammed declaired him. Is Abdullahi a servant of Illahi(a pagan god that was served before mohammed's birth) or servant of Allah(God of Islam). Or is Illahi and Allah the same? If no, why change Illahi to Allah as is seen in various islamic names such as Abdullahi, Nasrullahi, Dikrullahi, Bisimillahi  Are you giving praise to god or God? I'll want you to be sure. Thanks. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Shaz(f): 5:46pm On Jul 28, 2008 |
@ Poochy, Jesus is the Living God? Take this - Jesus is the Son of God. I never understood what people meant by 'Christians forgetting God and Worshipping Jesus' till I saw your post. You got some edit to do to ya mind |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by cold(m): 12:03pm On Jul 29, 2008 |
But i used to think that masturbation was a better form of abstinence |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by habiolah(m): 12:59pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
@ olabowale What's happening now! I am expecting your response to my last post. Are you making some researches? Be fast with it I can't wait to hear you. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Nobody: 1:10pm On Aug 01, 2008 |
Thot I saw masturbation and fornication somewhere on this thread b4 I subscribed. All I see here is daggers and knives. Grabs di*ck and scrambles for safety. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Ivvie: 6:47am On Aug 27, 2008 |
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| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by Moyola(f): 6:57am On Aug 27, 2008 |
This thread has taken da wrong twist!!  |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by dudubobo1: 11:59am On Aug 27, 2008 |
Go and watch my role model minister juanita Bynum (no more sheet) she deals on this issue down to earth without hesitation and reservation she is part of TBN ministries @ rubi, it would be better if you share what your pastor said about this |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by poochy(f): 9:59am On Oct 22, 2008 |
@ Bleep-nl, if anyone is foolish, then u are. Why can't u just state ur opinion and leave. Must u always use abusive words? @ olabowale, ur opinion does not actually change the fact that Jesus is still Lord. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 2:44pm On Oct 22, 2008 |
@habiolah: « #20 on: July 28, 2008, 05:25 PM »
Does a receiver of revelation have to know anything about future happenings in his life, before he receives revelations? Or before what he received of revelation is accepted to be true, by those who believe in him as a receiver of revelation? If your idea about future and revelation is true, then since Jesus did not know the future, as in not knowing "the time of the hour," when he was asked directly, then, we have to then have a doubt about him, in the same way that you are doubting Muhammad (as), from your own definition, because of your saying that he did not know his future. But let me amuse you of your ignorance: First the One who is the lord of all things, Allah says in the Qur'an about Muhammad (as), that he is the Messenger and a prophet, a seal of prophethood. He also states that Muhammad was not sent but as a warner and a guide to all mankind. He further states that Muhammad is a means of mercy and forgiveness. Finally in Surah Fajr (the Dawn), the last verse spoke about Allah being pleased with the sould of the believers and that they should enter His garden, Paradise! These are just few verses from the Qur'an. I could quote many many more. Now who are the believers in the Qur'an who are described as people to enter the garden of paradise? Could they be different from the true muslims? Who is the leader of Muslims? Can followers enter the Garden of paradise and you expect the leader, whom the copied and imitated his ways not to enter, as well? Could the believers, the muslims not be that they enetr the Garden of paradise, after Muhammad (AS), their Leader enter it before them?
Abdallah simple means Servant/Slave of Allah. Before any religion, say Christianity entered the Yorubaland, I am certain that the yorubas knew that there is a God, (Olorun, Eledumare, Eleda, Oluwa, etc). Yet they had aborisha, onishango, etc, among the Yorubas. By the way, they still do. The Yorubas used to befoer Christianity, named their chilkdren Oluwasegun, Oluwaseyi, Oluwatosin, Oluwatoyin, etc. Now that there is Christianity, the Christian parents, still to this day name their children Olwasegun, Oluwaseyi, Oluwatosin, Oluwatoyin, etc. Heck Obasanjo's first name is Oluwasegun. He is now in Theological University, studying to become a pastor or Christian Minister. Are the names Oluwasegun now a pagan name, that Christians bear? Is Oluwa as a yoruba word known before Christianity still not in use as a name of the christian god? Is th same Oluwa not used among the Yoruba muslims, when talking to each other in Yoruba language to mean Allah? Please get a good understanding of the isue.
Huh? I have never heard Illahi or its derivitive. I think you are saying Ilah. Ilah simply means anything you can adore that it seems that you are worshipping it, a god. For example, a wife may take her hsband as Ilah. And a husband may take the wife to be an Ilah, too. Both can take their worldly possession as Ilah! It does not have to a physical Idol. Allah is a two part word: Al meaning The (Al calls great importance to what is going to follow it). In the case of God, Illah that follows it, it simply draws the greatest of importnace to that God, completely diffreren and higher than any known, unknown, imagined or unimagined! Allah therefore brings to mind "Eloi," which Jesus was reported to have uttered as the name of his Lord God which is One, when Jesus was in a dire strait, and needed the Altimate help from the Only One who can Provide That Altimate Help; ELOI, the Altimate GOD! Thats what Allah is.
God whose name is Allah; The God. Are there any other god(s) beside God? Thanks. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by olabowale(m): 2:49pm On Oct 22, 2008 |
@Poochy: #28 on: Today at 09:59:00 AM »
I guess his not knowing the "time of the hour" does not count to anything? I guess that his begging a particular entity is not an indication of anything? I think that his yelling to a "Eloi," on the cross amounts to zero in inking to to us that Jesus was not god! Then am sorry, babe for putting all these ideas in the Bible out for investigation. |
| Re: This Is The Reason Why Christians Still Masturbate And Even Fornicate by OBVIOUS(m): 2:54pm On Oct 22, 2008 |
The reason why human beings masturbate and fornicate is because they're humans and have biological needs. |
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