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Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Mekoyo16: 12:50pm On Dec 26, 2013
ASUU has agreed that govt invests at least N200billion capital yearly for the next 5 years.
With a capital expenditure of about N1.35b,is it feasible to invest all that in university projects? Polytechnics and other tertiary institutions aint part of this N200b; then there's the other matter of secondary and primary schools across the country. Then other sectors?
Hoping we dont get to that point where people start asking whether the signatories to this agreement do not understand the full import of their commitment.
Justsaying!
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by idirect(m): 12:51pm On Dec 26, 2013
Pukkah:

A transformational government will leave no stone unturned to change the status quo.

We would not be discussing this if we wanted to sustain or defend the status quo which everyone knows is crippling and cannot deliver development.

For example, Sanusi Lamido once made the following statements:


“At the moment 70 per cent of Federal Government’s revenue goes for payment of salaries and entitlement of civil servants, leaving 30 per cent for development of 167 million Nigerians. That means that for every naira government earns, 70 kobo   is consumed by civil servants."


Is this not scary? What's government's plan to address this bad case?

What's government doing to reduce the expenditure on the National Assembly? A transformational government would engage the key actors and try to bring down the costs. But is the government also showing good examples in its own expenditure profile and tolerance for corruption?
You are so on point
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Iolo(m): 12:59pm On Dec 26, 2013
Goddex:

[size=16pt]The bolded refers, truth is, no govt makes such bold reforms in its first term. Opposition will use propaganda to bring you down eventhough noble and no President wants that. That is why a few of the reforms during OBJ were all done in his second term.

Take the issue of fuel subsidy removal last year when a crowd of Lagosians trooped out to occupy Ojota due largely to inciting propaganda from opposition. No govt will plunge itself into labour crisis and mass revolt barely a year to the next election. Have you asked yourself why Fashola did not ban Okada in his first term?[/size]

I agree. Reforms that involve labour are always politicized anywhere in the world.

Let's take an example, with the new constitution amendment being worked on, the senate wanted to take off the minimum wage component allowing states to set their own wages but the trade unions kicked against it.

The challenge with running a government is that no matter how well intended your ideas are once they provide some form of temporary pain to the public, there would always be a kick against it by the labor and opposition looking to sway public opinion in thru favor. In the US, obamacare would never have passed today.

I think GEJ just needs to do something drastic. Make some publically appealing moves like selling off his private and slashing his aides, then do something drastic like remove fuel subsidy. They country will burn but only till when people begin to feel the impact of the +900billion injected to our capital budget.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:14pm On Dec 26, 2013
Iolo:

I think GEJ just needs to do something drastic. Make some publically appealing moves like selling off his private and slashing his aides, then do something drastic like remove fuel subsidy. They country will burn but only till when people begin to feel the impact of the +900billion injected to our capital budget.

If Jonathan does some drastic things like you've mentioned and then removes fuel subsidy, many people that went to Ojota would not even mind.

How about making solemn promises to use the savings from subsidy removal to build specific projects in all the geo-political regions (e.g. 4th Mainland Bridge, Second Niger Bridge etc) and saying that people must hold him personally accountable for the promises?

Would someone like Obasanjo have had the 'liver' to write such letters if Jonathan had been courageously and selflessly shaking up the system while making clear sacrifices?
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Fadelex(m): 1:17pm On Dec 26, 2013
one reason I object this national conference is because it will yield no result. govt set up orosanye committee but couldn't implement the recommendation of this committee. there are so many MDAs with duplicated responsibilities. what's d difference between road safety and VIO? police and civil defence? nta and von? so many agencies are doin nothing yet they gulp billions every year. don't sack d workers, scrap agencies with duplicated responsibilities and redundant ones and send their workers to effective agencies. this will reduce d number of directors, permanent secretaries, vehicles to be procured and ultimately increase the effectiveness of civil service

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Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Nobody: 1:18pm On Dec 26, 2013
Iolo: The only way to balance the National budget is to reduce recurrent expenditure. Obviously you know the Government would have to sack staff to accomplish this.

Budgets are balanced by the realities on ground.
you need not to sack anybody. The previous government in kano state was spending 60-70% on recurrent expenditure, kwankwaso didn't sack anybody in fact he employed more. Tackle corruption in the civil service and that sum will surely go down, MDAs are just diverting funds to recurrent expenditure to find an easy way of looting.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Nobody: 1:23pm On Dec 26, 2013
Who compares a Government responsible for just a state with a Government responsible with 36 states in all areas. Kwanso or whatever his name is should just shut de crap up
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by OmoTier1(m): 1:26pm On Dec 26, 2013
gboss4sure: Who compares a Government responsible for just a state with a Government responsible with 36 states in all areas. Kwanso or whatever his name is should just shut de crap up
If you do not have any meaningful contribution to make then why not remain silent
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:31pm On Dec 26, 2013
gboss4sure: Who compares a Government responsible for just a state with a Government responsible with 36 states in all areas. Kwanso or whatever his name is should just shut de crap up

You obviously commented without following the thread from the beginning.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by taharqa: 1:32pm On Dec 26, 2013
Pukkah:

If Jonathan does some drastic things like you've mentioned and then removes fuel subsidy, many people that went to Ojota would not even mind.

How about making solemn promises to use the savings from subsidy removal to build specific projects in all the geo-political regions (e.g. 4th Mainland Bridge, Second Niger Bridge etc) and saying that people must hold him personally accountable for the promises?
He is already doing just that right now, for Goodness sake. And, am talking about the #360bn FG share of SURE-P it has so far received...
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by donshaddow(m): 1:32pm On Dec 26, 2013
We've all known dat 9ja is a consuming econony. We spend so much on runnin d govt bt get almost notin in return. God save our soul.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by 4Play(m): 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2013
I find the disingenuous posturing here laughable. The simple truth is that cutting recurrent expenditure will require huge cuts in the public sector headcount/pay and in fuel subsidies none of which is popular with those bemoaning the high recurrent spending ratio. Remember that the fuel subsidy spending is not even reflected in the ratio so our recurrent spending is even higher than is acknowledged.

There is a lot of mealy mouthed talk of cutting corruption and waste. Of course, these objectives are inherently good, however, in the context of the debate make little sense to me. Remember we are talking of ratios and proportions. Why would cutting corruption affect ratios? Is corruption more endemic via recurrent expenses than capital expenses? Some of the greatest heists in this country have been perpetrated through capital spending: Ajaokuta Steel, OBJ's power projects, Oduah's airport refurbishments, Abacha's railway projects, e.t.c. I would say that it's easier to steal money through capital projects than through ghost workers.

This debate is a phantom debate because no one actually wants to cut the ratio of recurrent expenditure.

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Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by taharqa: 1:37pm On Dec 26, 2013
joker5180: you need not to sack anybody. The previous government in kano state was spending 60-70% on recurrent expenditure, kwankwaso didn't sack anybody in fact he employed more. Tackle corruption in the civil service and that sum will surely go down, MDAs are just diverting funds to recurrent expenditure to find an easy way of looting.
You do not know what you are talking about, guy. Plz Shut it and read...
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 1:44pm On Dec 26, 2013
4 Play: I find the disingenuous posturing here laughable. The simple truth is that cutting recurrent expenditure will require huge cuts in the public sector headcount/pay and in fuel subsidies none of which is popular with those bemoaning the high recurrent spending ratio. Remember that the fuel subsidy spending is not even reflected in the ratio so our recurrent spending is even higher than is acknowledged.

There is a lot of mealy mouthed talk of cutting corruption and waste. Of course, these objectives are inherently good, however, in the context of the debate make little sense to me.

But does it mean we are helpless? Is government stuck?

Okonjo-Iweala put it this way:

She said: “Do we want to get to a stage when virtually all the monies and resources we earn are being used to pay salaries and allowances for public servants, who make up a minute percentage of the country’s population?


“If we do, it means that government workers will take up the entire budget of the country with nothing left for roads, water, education and others.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/no-money-to-meet-asuus-demands-says-okonjo-iweala/
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by OAM4J: 1:50pm On Dec 26, 2013
4 Play: I find the disingenuous posturing here laughable. The simple truth is that cutting recurrent expenditure will require huge cuts in the public sector headcount/pay and in fuel subsidies none of which is popular with those bemoaning the high recurrent spending ratio. Remember that the fuel subsidy spending is not even reflected in the ratio so our recurrent spending is even higher than is acknowledged.

There is a lot of mealy mouthed talk of cutting corruption and waste. Of course, these objectives are inherently good, however, in the context of the debate make little sense to me. Remember we are talking of ratios and proportions. Why would cutting corruption affect ratios? Is corruption more endemic via recurrent expenses than capital expenses? Some of the greatest heists in this country have been perpetrated through capital spending: Ajaokuta Steel, OBJ's power projects, Oduah's airport refurbishments, Abacha's railway projects, e.t.c. I would say that it's easier to steal money through capital projects than through ghost workers.

This debate is a phantom debate because no one actually wants to cut the ratio of recurrent expenditure.

Of course corruption affects everything including the capital, recurrent expenditures and the ratios. Downplaying the effect of corruption has been one of the major wrongs of this current government.

If as a result of corruption we cannot account or remit all our income, it definitely affects the overall ratio of our budjet. Take for instance, just assuming, we are only able to account for 4tr of our earnings instead of the actual 6tr due to corruption and we must spend 3tr on recurrent expenditures, that means we are having ratio 25:75 (Capital:Recurrent) instead of 50:50 if corruption had not eaten 2tr from the source.

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Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by taharqa: 1:57pm On Dec 26, 2013
OAM4J:

Of course corruption affects everything including the capital, recurrent expenditures and the ratios. Downplaying the effect of corruption has been one of the major wrongs of this current government.

If as a result of corruption we cannot account or remit all our income, it definitely affects the overall ratio of our budjet. Take for instance, just assuming, we are only able to account for 4tr of our earnings instead of the actual 6tr due to corruption and we must spend 3tr on recurrent expenditures, that means we are having ratio 25:75 (Capital:Recurrent) instead of 50:50 if corruption had not eaten 2tr from the source.
What is this one talking about??
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by plaindealer: 1:59pm On Dec 26, 2013
taharqa: What is this one talking about??


Inability to read and comprehend is one of your many problems too?

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Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Nobody: 2:52pm On Dec 26, 2013
[quote author=taharqa] You do not know what you are talking about, guy. Plz Shut it and read...[/quot people who know alot don't address others in this manner they quitly educate others and move on. I still maintain my position, you need not to sack anybody to reduce recurrent expenditure.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by mohammed29: 3:03pm On Dec 26, 2013
Akinmail:

Hey you!

Kano is an APC state not pdp. Okay?

And to give you more head-aches
Lagos state, Rivers state and Kano state are all APC states.
You sure know how important those states are don't you??

APC States on paper abi? Dont let anyone deceive you as at the begining of this year River and kano were all APC states
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by slydog(m): 3:05pm On Dec 26, 2013
The op should change the topic of the tread, a balanced budget is one where recurrent and capital expenditure are equal.

Notwithstanding, developing economies like Nigeria don't need balanced budget, neither do we need budgets skewed towards recurrent expenditure. We need budgets where at least 65percent is spent on capital project.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Wallie(m): 3:56pm On Dec 26, 2013
The issue with Nigeria is that the government appears to lack sincerity in their purpose. The ratio of recurrent expenditure to capital expenditure is unsustainable and NOI have said the same for a while now. For the recurrent expenditure to reduce certain unpopular steps need to be taken, which most reasonable people will agree with. However, the issue is that when we take one step in the right direction, we end up taking 5 more in the wrong direction.

I wholeheartedly supported the removal of the fuel subsidy initially and even advocated for the same, only to find out later on that “fuel subsidy” is more like cabal/sacred cow subsidy. Nothing is ever what it seems in Nigeria when money is involved! I retracted my stance on the fuel subsidy when it became clear to me that if the “subsidy” were to be removed, Nigerians will end up suffering more as a result because the “subsidy” will disappear into an abyss. Every kobo saved by the government will end up unaccounted for!

As such, I no longer believe in anything done by the Nigerian government that will result in immediate harm to the populace until those deemed corrupt are made to face justice.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Ilaje44(m): 4:24pm On Dec 26, 2013
slydog: The op should change the topic of the tread, a balanced budget is one where recurrent and capital expenditure are equal.

Notwithstanding, developing economies like Nigeria don't need balanced budget, neither do we need budgets skewed towards recurrent expenditure. We need budgets where at least 65percent is spent on capital project.

That's very wrong. A balanced budget is one where your earnings equal your spending. A budget that is not balance need to be balanced, and there are several ways to achieve that e.g. Borrowing or selling off Governments assets. When you earn more than you spend, then we talk of Budget surplus.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:29pm On Dec 26, 2013
slydog:
We need budgets where at least 65percent is spent on capital project.

We should not expect any magic from the 2014 budget in terms of capital projects.

Capital projects will get N1.1 trillion in 2014 budget while the remaining N3.7 trillion will be used for recurrent expenditure - to pay the salaries and running expenses of about 2% of the population.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:34pm On Dec 26, 2013
Ilaje44:

That's very wrong. A balanced budget is one where your earnings equal your spending. A budget that is not balance need to be balanced, and there are several ways to achieve that e.g. Borrowing or selling off Governments assets. When you earn more than you spend, then we talk of Budget surplus.

Correct.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 4:36pm On Dec 26, 2013
Wallie: For the recurrent expenditure to reduce certain unpopular steps need to be taken, which most reasonable people will agree with.

Yes!
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by since1914(m): 5:30pm On Dec 26, 2013
taharqa: He is already doing just that right now, for Goodness sake. And, am talking about the #360bn FG share of SURE-P it has so far received...

I think it's about time we looked at that SURE-P fund carefully at all tiers of government, because today whereas the FGN might be able to account for its own share of the monies, the state governments and local governments in some cases can barely say what they use it for. I think the monies should be tied to specific projects in the states and local governments instead of just handing it to them like a Christmas hamper to do with it whatever they want.

Secondly, there are a handful of duplication of expenditures i.e some expenditures captured in the mainstream budget are sometimes also re-captured in the SURE-P budget. For instance, SURE-P has no business buying safety vests for VIO officials. I think the SURE-P fund should be restricted to projects in very few sectors, because, the further we spread it thin the less effective it becomes and also the more difficult it becomes is to manage.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Nobody: 7:08pm On Dec 26, 2013
cheesy cheesy I keep saying that the Free-For-All mentality will crash this nation.

We are getting there gradually.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by gogodaye(m): 9:52pm On Dec 26, 2013
@OP, The citing of Kano state as an example of a government running a balanced Budget is one that is circumspect.
On or about 2 weeks ago, (less than 15 days to the close of busines) the Kano state government rail~roaded the State House of Assembly into effecting the passage into law of a Supplementary Budget, whose components when appraised would reveal that the notion that its budgets have always being balanced, a ruse & a hog~wash intended to deceive...to some not too discerning NL's applause.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by Pukkah: 9:57pm On Dec 26, 2013
^^^

The OP did not say that Kano is running a balanced budget.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by maasoap(m): 7:40am On Dec 27, 2013
Iolo:

All valid points you have raised. Same should go for the legislators salaries. But my take is these would only reduce recurrent by not much (less than 5%) so they are not significant per say.
Considering the size of Nigeria's budget, I think 1% reduction is significant not to talk of 5%.
Re: Balancing The Budget: Kano-State Vs FG by revolt(m): 11:04pm On Dec 27, 2013
waste of tym here. fighting corruption in our civil service isn't possible.even buhari can't do anything bout that as he claims.
the only solution is to get all viable sectors off govt control.
it's pertinent to note that no amount of magic can save us from the hardship well need to experience during Nigeria's transformation.
our children can't face what were facing now so lets embrace these obnoxious but progressive policies now to safeguard our children's future. I mean subsidy removal, sale of phcn, ban on imports of tokunbo cars etc.
perhaps you need to study how hunger was tackled in u.s.a,

it wasn't magic economics. the plan was set in motion after the great depression.
let's understand that the generation involved, didn't reap the fruits Cos they starved. today the u.s is trying to tackle obesity.
imagine if that generation had decided to use the available funds in bailing out the companies that were going moribund, to safeguards jobs, perhaps they'd still be trying to tackle food production in the u.s.a.

the moral of what I'm saying is, we should realised our generation has been destroyed and wasted by our parents , let's begin to think of how to safeguard the future of our unborn kids, since our patents squandered ours by subsidizing everything for themselves even jobs, if not explain to me why gowon after the conquest of biafra started paying salaries of other countries, then in order to solve unemployment he established ministries to be funded by finance that should have been invested.

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