Manhunter™:
You have to admit, some of his messages stray a bit from the conventional Christian teachings.

plaetton:

I disagree sir.
Let me remind you that the Catholic church defined and authored these so-called conventional Christian teachings. The Catholic Church, at least from the 1st century Ad, birthed and nurtured, shaped and molded Christianity.
So, you are in no position to tell the Catholic Church, what is christian and what is not.

They know all the secrets of Christianity.
They know what is true and what is myth.
The Cathoic Church is by far the oldest, the pre-eminent experts in social engineering.
They have been doing is for 2000yrs.

Manhunter™:
Well, they already agreed on doctrines and all that at the council of Nicaea. His ''updated'' messages wouldn't align well with the Christian majority.

plaetton:

Yeah. Its different world we live in today than it was in AD325.
A new paradigm for a new world.

plaetton:

Yeah. Its different world we live in today than it was in AD325.
A new paradigm for a new world.

plaetton:

I disagree sir.
Let me remind you that the Catholic church defined and authored these so-called conventional Christian teachings. The Catholic Church, at least from the 1st century Ad, birthed and nurtured, shaped and molded Christianity.
So, you are in no position to tell the Catholic Church, what is christian and what is not.

They know all the secrets of Christianity.
They know what is true and what is myth.
The Cathoic Church is by far the oldest, the pre-eminent experts in social engineering.
They have been doing it for 2000yrs.

DarqChild:

Well in as much as I would LIKE to have an open mind ;and believe me I really want to have an open mind about the whole thing, as a Christian the Bible made things clear that at a certain point men would lose focus of the WORD and try to form an alliance of some sort to bring peace for humanity and all worth not just like the Pope has done by bringing all religion under one umbrella of love, humility and true worship from the heart and that man would choose it because it seems to make things alright for him but it will only bring catastrophe to the world. I'm just quoting off by heart but then all I'm saying is that it seems like this time has been predestined by the Holy book and it has come to pass and as a Christian I kind of shudder at what the outcome would be if the later part of the prophesy comes to pass. This new update from the Pope contradicts the Bible and everything Christianity stands for but it seems to have formed a sort of bridge for all religion and it may bring a sort of peace to the whole world with the notion being that we worship the same God all over...In peace, love, harmony and humility of course. With this latest development I'm really considering being an Agnostic. God is just impossible to understandable. With the whole contradiction in the Bible Christianity is slowly loosing its credibility. Religion to me is just becoming sickening....
I believe in Life. I believe in the energy that creates life....In that force that enables a man to breathe, sleep, eat and walk and when the energy leaves the man he becomes no better than a carcass.....just like the life force in plants and other animal. I believe God is a phenomenon. The birth of a new religion....LIFE!!!!

kamura:


The bible also says. . . The first shall be the last. . .
The bible says a lot of things.

In this context , what does that mean?

plaetton:

I understand where you are coming from, but let me remind again that the Catholic Church authored, nurtured and molded the entire sum of your christian beliefs today.
Consider that this honest simple man is perhaps trying to Correct the doctrinal errors of yesteryears?

What if his conscience is yielding to the aspiration of the Christians rather than the Catholic Church as a body?.
In other words, like i said before, he is in a far better position than any of us to know what is myth , fable and what is truth.

What if he is trying his best just to bring back truth, lost 2000 years ago, back to the Christianity?.
Would you still fault him?

DarqChild:

Not really but I'm just bringing up the messages from the Bible and the words of the Pope which seems to be contradicting each other. His words are clearly saying that the Bible is false in its whole truth and message. That tends to put a sort of smear in Christendom as a whole and puts its authenticity in question. The Bible made mention that someday this would definitely happen and that the consequence will be drastic. Do you get where I'm driving at now? Its a bit scary don't you think?

DarqChild:

Not really but I'm just bringing up the messages from the Bible and the words of the Pope which seems to be contradicting each other. His words are clearly saying that the Bible is false in its whole truth and message. That tends to put a sort of smear in Christendom as a whole and puts its authenticity in question. The Bible made mention that someday this would definitely happen and that the consequence will be drastic. Do you get where I'm driving at now? Its a bit scary don't you think?

Joshthefirst: its not to him actually. He's an atheist.

Trying to embrace a man will not change him much. The pope must learn to tell men the truth. The roman catholic church must learn to tell men the truth.

Telling them the truth of the bible will change them.

plaetton:

I disagree sir.
Let me remind you that the Catholic church defined and authored these so-called conventional Christian teachings. The Catholic Church, at least from the 1st century Ad, birthed and nurtured, shaped and molded Christianity.
So, you are in no position to tell the Catholic Church, what is christian and what is not.

They know all the secrets of Christianity.
They know what is true and what is myth.
The Cathoic Church is by far the oldest, the pre-eminent experts in social engineering.
They have been doing it for 2000yrs.

kambo:

what dyu know about christianity ,you noisy atheist?

What are the "secrets of christianity"?
If the catholic church with its idol-lickg practices was much d definitive standard what caused the first breakaway in d first place?
What is the bone of contention that the men of God you've mentioned have with catholicsm?

Did u hav to spew out insults to make ur ignorant point? If u types ar not cussg Jesus or God its human theist mainly christian.

kambo:

Did u hav to spew out insults to make ur ignorant point? If u types ar not cussg Jesus or God its human theist mainly christian.

striktlymi:

What truth exactly?? Which version do you propose he tells the world??

Should he go about to tell us that God hates every gay person on the planet? Or do you propose that he tells us that every Atheist will burn in hell? I guess you would rather he tells you exactly what you want to hear. That is NOT the way of Christ.

plaetton:

I do not know the secrets of christianity, but do you agree that the catholic Holds much secrets or not?
What ever your christian sect, you carry and are part and parcel of Catholic DNA.

The fact that you have many breakaway factions over the millenia is testament to the fact it all about personal, doctrinal and political schisms and not about any one universal truth?
Truth cannot have many versions.

The bone of contention for these modern day evengelical parasites is simple and self-evident,-Market Share-money-filthy lucre.
Their livelihoods are under threat.
You see, simplicity of the christian message is like a viral antidote for these evengelicals, these pulpit pimps(perhaps you are one ?).
It threatens to render them redundant in the future.




A spade needs to be called a spade.
A thief and a maggot need to be addressed as such.
I am very sensitive to cheating and exploitation.
That is my nature and I owe your type no apologies for it.

kambo:

if you want to know more about the history of the church and of catholicism theyre resources available.
Christianity has never been founded on catholicism.
And true christians will either try to convert catholics or reject their teachg.
Who led the bloody inquisition of d dark ages?
What even ushered in the dark ages and its end?
Do your research bf tryg to speak like an authority here.
The central message of christianity doesnt hinge on personal goodness or sincerity in believg a lie.
It Hinges on Jesus and his substitutionary work and d penalties for not being in him are d same as d penalties or cost for those who refused to accept noah's invitation into the ark.
The bible claims tht man's problem is heart based and man doesnt hav wat it takes to help himself. To fix d problem man needs to have a new heart (spirit) then he will hav the ability (though he will still choose to use or not use this ability) and b enlisted in God's family.
The world says the problem facg man is not heart based but knowledge/compassion/motivation based that man is inherently good. The bible says man is inherently evil.
The world says, feed the thief, giv him some material help and he'll stop stealg.
Tht condition made him a thief.
The bible says the thief will still because his spiritual father ,satan,is a thief so he is operatg naturally,subconsciously like his Dad.
Any1 presentg anythg different is a joker frm hell sent to decieve.
Christianity has nvr been about gettg right thru charity deeds or acceptance-e.g acceptg gays - but this heart issue.
Do ur home wrk bf u write on christianity. Cuz u dont know,as an atheist,jack about what it's all about.

plaetton:

I disagree sir.
Let me remind you that the Catholic church defined and authored these so-called conventional Christian teachings. The Catholic Church, at least from the 1st century Ad, birthed and nurtured, shaped and molded Christianity.
So, you are in no position to tell the Catholic Church, what is christian and what is not.

They know all the secrets of Christianity.
They know what is true and what is myth.
The Cathoic Church is by far the oldest, the pre-eminent experts in social engineering.
They have been doing it for 2000yrs.

DarqChild:

Well in as much as I would LIKE to have an open mind ;and believe me I really want to have an open mind about the whole thing, as a Christian the Bible made things clear that at a certain point men would lose focus of the WORD and try to form an alliance of some sort to bring peace for humanity and all worth not just like the Pope has done by bringing all religion under one umbrella of love, humility and true worship from the heart and that man would choose it because it seems to make things alright for him but it will only bring catastrophe to the world. I'm just quoting off by heart but then all I'm saying is that it seems like this time has been predestined by the Holy book and it has come to pass and as a Christian I kind of shudder at what the outcome would be if the later part of the prophesy comes to pass. This new update from the Pope contradicts the Bible and everything Christianity stands for but it seems to have formed a sort of bridge for all religion and it may bring a sort of peace to the whole world with the notion being that we worship the same God all over...In peace, love, harmony and humility of course. With this latest development I'm really considering being an Agnostic. God is just impossible to understandable. With the whole contradiction in the Bible Christianity is slowly loosing its credibility. Religion to me is just becoming sickening....
I believe in Life. I believe in the energy that creates life....In that force that enables a man to breathe, sleep, eat and walk and when the energy leaves the man he becomes no better than a carcass.....just like the life force in plants and other animal. I believe God is a phenomenon. The birth of a new religion....LIFE!!!!

plaetton:

Believe me buddy, I know a great deal about the history of Christianity, and I can bet a lot more than you.
We know how it began and how the message was hijacked by the emperors of Rome. That is history.

Catholicism went on to define christianity for the world, and that's the way it has been.

All other sects are just her dysfunctional Children.
She knows them , She understands them, she grieves at their waywardness, but she still loves them because they are all her children.
Deny your mother as much as you want, she is still your mother, the one who first defined your reality.

Just suppose that the Pope now confesses to the world that Jesus was just mythical character they symbolically used to convey sublime wisdom.
How would you feel, especially with rambling about your message of Jesus?.

This is the point I am tying to let you know , that the Catholic Church know more about Christianity than you could ever know.
They molded it.
They know whether Jesus live or not, what he said and what he didn't say, whether he died on the cross or not, whether he ascended to heaven or lived to a ripe old age.

Joshthefirst: I have never and would never advocate the hatred of anything or anyone sir.

The pope should tell the world that Jesus saves too. That is the core message of the church.

He is showing love effectively and proudly as a saint, but he is refusing to tell the world that Jesus saves, and he is telling people that religion saves.

Joshthefirst: I have never and would never advocate the hatred of anything or anyone sir.

The pope should tell the world that Jesus saves too. That is the core message of the church.

He is showing love effectively and proudly as a saint, but he is refusing to tell the world that Jesus saves, and he is telling people that religion saves.

plaetton: I have noticed , and I am quite sure that most of you have also noticed that in very recent times there appear to be a new and vigorous onslaught by the evangelical community against Mother Church, the Catholic church, the oldest institution in the world.

The assaults and missiles are coming from all corners of the evangelical kingdom. From American TV evangelists Pat Nutcase Robertson, Benny Slyfox Hinn, to Nigeria's own garden variety parasites like Chris Okotie, Kumuyi, etc. right up to our NL evangelical apologists.

So what is actually causing this new war in heaven?

Well, look not too far, it Pope Francis.
This genteel human being has been stirring the hornest's nest , and causing an earthquake in Christendom with his message of simplicity, tolerance, acceptance, humility and universal love.

This approach to christianity is an anthithesis to the"name it and claim it " prosperity mumbo jumbo carefully packaged and sold for large sums of money in the religious market by the evangelical cartel or consortiums over the last many decades.

The natives are getting restless. Pope Francis is causing restlessness among the natives through his simplicity and populist posture.
People, great throngs of people are beginning to look positively at the Mother Church, the new inclusive Christianity is appealing to the many hitherto disenchanted, confused and pissed off class.

All of a sudden religion is beginning to make a little sense, look a little sensible to a lot of people.

The new combative posture of evangelical christianity towards the Catholic Church is understandable in light of the obvious fact that the evangelicals have a legitimate fear that many people, their bread and butter, would very soon realize the emptiness, the emotional blackmail and exploitations that are the main currencies of the of the evangelical product.
They have a legitimate fear that people would opt for a simple religion that loves all and accepts all, rather than one that enslaves them .

So, as Pope Francis marches on with his new message, expect him to be called many names, including the Devil, the anti-christ, etc etc. by those who stand to lose both money and power in the new Christian dispensation that is slowly but surely growing.

The center can no longer hold.

plaetton:

I understand where you are coming from, but let me remind again that the Catholic Church authored, nurtured and molded the entire sum of your christian beliefs today.
Consider that this honest simple man is perhaps trying to Correct the doctrinal errors of yesteryears?

druid06: My knowledge about this subject is limited but I totally get the message Plaetton is trying to convey and I'm not sure where the rambling and argument from this topic is coming out from since I feel users who read this thread and commented on it are educated and literate and Plaetton eloquence was simplistic enough.

In every mans term, Plaetton is trying to argue out his frustration or observations as to why the uproar from other divisions of the Christian group is upset at the Pope, specifically at the Catholic church for twisting it's doctrines a little bit to accommodate and tolerate some actions that might considered sin in the past in Christendom.

He then went on further to say things have changed since time immemorial when Christianity was still in it's adolescence and it's time to revise some of it's doctrines to sooth people of today's and who else has the right to do so except for the Mother Church which is the Catholic church itself and that's exactly what the new pope is doing.

He also explain why the contempt from other Church groups or derivatives is obvious because members from their own church who have been emotionally blackmailed into worship in their church would see light from the new message of the Catholic church and might shift boats thereby inadvertently weakening their pay loads of tithes and offerings which is truthfully the main targets of these churches since they're all just business organizations in the guises as churches...

This is just what I think Plaetton message was trying to convey and I might not be totally right so please Plaetton kindly make corrections and assertions if you think so.