The recent invasion of Georgia by the Russian bear has raised great concern in the west. However if you read between the lines it looks like the beginning of a greater war. US has just signed a missile defense deal with Poland which Russia considers a threat to Mosscow. Russia hinted today that it will not rule out the use of nuclear weapons on Poland to punish her defiance of the Kremlin. If this happens a nuclear war may start and the super powers will be forced to take sides.

If we go by previous elections, Russia and China will be on one side, Us and UK will be on the other side and France this time cannot be neutral. Do you think the US is going too far with its campaign to protect the world with her missile defense systems? Can't the US locate it elsewhere outside the former Soviet states and the Baltic states? Why has the US always wanted a place that makes puts the USA in contention with Moscow? Do you think the Russian army is strong to stir up a global war? Should Russia or Georgia be blamed for the recent war? Your views about these issues is welcomed.

Cheers

In the end time, you shall see wars and hear rumours of war- Bible.

Whichever way, i think it will be a good time for Nigerias who have been wishing that Nigeria be like Dubai overnight, because Nigeria will then have to start from a level playing ground with all other developed countries.
Sorry for those who have been wishing for ewedu and pounded yam as the nuclear weapons are likely to make the land fertile to grow yam and cassava.

There aint gonna be no war.

nuzo:

In the end time, you shall see wars and hear rumours of war- Bible.

Whichever way, i think it will be a good time for Nigerias who have been wishing that Nigeria be like Dubai overnight, because Nigeria will then have to start from a level playing ground with all other developed countries.
Sorry for those who have been wishing for ewedu and pounded yam as the nuclear weapons are likely to make the land fertile to grow yam and cassava.

Stick to topic- this is about Russia, not Nigeria.

You seem unable to concentrate on any topic unless Nigeria is mentioned.

yet you say you hate the place. Pull yourself together for crying out loud.

Rather than develop clinical depression and go on medication over the state of Nigeria, why not praise some country even if its Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, kazakstan or Iraq.

If you can't praise anything at all then at least go out and get yourself a coke or something to take your mind off your problems.

There will be no war, Insha Allahu!

tpia:

Stick to topic- this is about Russia, not Nigeria.

You seem unable to concentrate on any topic unless Nigeria is mentioned.

yet you say you hate the place. Pull yourself together for crying out loud.

Rather than develop clinical depression and go on medication over the state of Nigeria, why not praise some country even if its Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, kazakstan or Iraq.

If you can't praise anything at all then at least go out and get yourself a coke or something to take your mind off your problems.

Sorry to disappoint you again; im not a blind patriot.

belabela:

The recent invasion of Georgia by the Russian bear has raised great concern in the west. However if you read between the lines it looks like the beginning of a greater war. US has just signed a missile defense deal with Poland which Russia considers a threat to Mosscow. Russia hinted today that it will not rule out the use of nuclear weapons on Poland to punish her defiance of the Kremlin. If this happens a nuclear war may start and the super powers will be forced to take sides.

If we go by previous elections, Russia and China will be on one side, Us and UK will be on the other side and France this time cannot be neutral. Do you think the US is going too far with its campaign to protect the world with her missile defense systems? Can't the US locate it elsewhere outside the former Soviet states and the Baltic states? Why has the US always wanted a place that makes puts the USA in contention with Moscow? Do you think the Russian army is strong to stir up a global war? Should Russia or Georgia be blamed for the recent war? Your views about these issues is welcomed.

Cheers

The world is not anywhere close to WW3. Discerning people know this, you obviously do not. What is going on now is mere saber -rattling.
At worst, we fear a return to cold war status, but this too is highly unlikely.
China siding with Russia? Highly unlikely. There's a reason why highly trained russian divisions are permanently stationed at the Russia-chinese border.

If you feel the need to worry for the fun of it, i can provide you with many real world problems in Nigeria that are begging for solutions.

belabela:

Do you think the US is going too far with its campaign to protect the world with her missile defense systems?

Of course. The US is only trying to ensure the survival of her military-industrial complex, albeit from a defense perspective. A more peaceful world would spell doom for profiteers in arms, and the only way to prevent this is to cajole inconsequential but strategically located nations like Poland to be used as pawns on a chessboard as big as Poland!

belabela:

Can't the US locate it elsewhere outside the former Soviet states and the Baltic states?

They want a country close enough to Russia, and dumb enough to agree to this kind of military experiment .

belabela:

Why has the US always wanted a place that makes puts the USA in contention with Moscow?

Because of neocons in the US. Though the Soviet Union is no more, Russia is still viewed by neocons as just another version of the Soviet Union. America wants world dominance, but Russia is one country that they cannot dominate. Also, Russia is not interested in being nice to the Americans the way many European countries try to be, and this really annoys the toddlers running US foreign policy. For example, Americans do not require visas to most (if not all European nations), but not Russia - of course America reciprocates the gesture.

belabela:

Do you think the Russian army is strong  to stir up a global war?

The Russians are not aggressors like the big bully, America. However, Russian retaliation for any American adventurism near or inside Russia is verily assured.

belabela:

Should Russia or Georgia be blamed for the recent war?

60% blame to Georgia for invading South Ossetia.
40% blame to the hopeless George W. Bush administration for encouraging Georgian stupidity, for emphasizing and promoting a "might is right" climate in world affairs, and for leading the way in disrespecting international laws as regards sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Whenever/wherever there is a military problem, America is directly or indirectly concerned.

nuzo:

Sorry to disappoint you again; im not a blind patriot.

People refusing to rain curses on their birthplace, doesnt mean they are blind patriots.

Your attitude says more about you than about Nigeria. You don't seem to have any coping mechanism when you're frustrated. That's not good. You're not even in the country yet you can't enjoy wherever you are because you're always busy making some lament about Nigeria.

Free your mind.

is your blind patriotism reserved solely for your perfect hometown?

Richyblack is on song here, check it:

Of course. The US is only trying to ensure the survival of her military-industrial complex, albeit from a defense perspective. A more peaceful world would spell doom for profiteers in arms, and the only way to prevent this is to cajole inconsequential but strategically located nations like Poland to be used as pawns on a chessboard as big as Poland!

tpia:

People refusing to rain curses on their birthplace, doesnt mean they are blind patriots.

Your attitude says more about you than about Nigeria. You don't seem to have any coping mechanism when you're frustrated. That's not good. You're not even in the country yet you can't enjoy wherever you are because you're always busy making some lament about Nigeria.

Free your mind.

is your blind patriotism reserved solely for your perfect hometown?

You ain't seen nothing yet. No matter how bad  the bellicose actions of America is, these morons would  support America against Nigeria any day. In their mind, you can only be patriotic to America.
This is a preview of how they'll be  singing the praises of China in a few years.

@texazzpete,
you are far away from the 21st century realities and unfortunately you have rested your confidence on the media. There will never be a cold war and infact the matrix of those times is different from now. The US is most likely believeing the world can support them to fight Russia which most likely can stir a world war. But western europe will soon dissapoint the US this time.
Cold war would have been called "hot war" perhaps if the US had not avoided war with Russia in 1962 (ask your senoirs or your history teacher).

Regarding the missile defence system in Poland.

Russia doesn't regard it as a threat. It is merely something that they can whine about and use as a political tool.

It won't stop a single airbourne or submarine launched nuclear weapon - the optimum way of sending a nuclear payload.

Then Russia is mad

They want a country close enough to Russia, and dumb enough to agree to this kind of military experiment .

u obviously have a field day ignoring russia's history of interfering in the affairs of countries such as finland, poland, lithuania etc.  those countries have been tormented by russia for centuries. they are not dumb.  

The Russians are not aggressors like the big bully, America. However, Russian retaliation for any American adventurism near or inside Russia is verily assured.

russians are not aggressors, chechenya, afghanistan. the same russia that has no problem selling weapons to sudan

bawomolo:

u obviously have a field day ignoring russia's history of interfering in the affairs of countries such as finland, poland, lithuania etc. those countries have been tormented by russia for centuries. they are not dumb.

russians are not aggressors, chechenya, afghanistan. the same russia that has no problem selling weapons to sudan

The US is simply looking for trouble where there is none. instigating the Georgians against Russia.

Thats not the way to bring peace to the world. Those leading the us foreign policy are sick

Talking of interference, what about US and kosovo, US & Iraq.

ogb5:

The US is simply looking for trouble where there is none. instigating the Georgians against Russia.

south ossetia made the first move by shelling georgian towns close to the border, i guess the US instigated georgia too when abakhazia(sp) joined in the conflict.  the US actually placed partial blame on georgia. u guys obvious have no problem with russia occupy the georgian port of poti and other territories in georgia proper. 

Thats not the way to bring peace to the world. Those leading the us foreign policy are sick

and the former KGB agents controlling russia are much better.

Talking of interference, what about US and kosovo, US & Iraq.

most of the international community recognized the two territories as Georgian.  i don't know why the anti-west squad love to bring the US into this.  russia want's to absorb south ossetia, that is definitely interference. did the US annex kosovo??

bawomolo:

south ossetia made the first move by shelling georgian towns close to the border, i guess the US instigated georgia too when abakhazia(sp) joined in the conflict. the US actually placed partial blame on georgia. u guys obvious have no problem with russia occupy the georgian port of poti and other territories in georgia proper.

Russia can occupy the whole of Georgia for all I care, You don't lose a war and expect all will be thesame, US killed sadam when he lost his war, so if the russians decide to do same, its not for the us to complain.
do you really think a nation of 4 million people should bring about all this noise if not for US instigation? US like stooges, and they are looking for stooges that borders russia. the question is why

bawomolo:

and the former KGB agents controlling russia are much better.

they have done a better job than the us in the last decade, what do you think lead to 9 11. bad us foreign policy.

bawomolo:

most of the international community recognized the two territories as Georgian. i don't know why the anti-west squad love to bring the US into this. russia want's to absorb south ossetia, that is definitely interference. did the US annex kosovo??

what does the people of south ossetia want, what they want does not matter to the US. serbia can be split up because some people want to leave but south ossetians can't get what they want, because thats not what the US want.

and by the way did the russians tell you they want to annex south ossetia? they recognised their independence this week

There are reports that the Russians had already massed their army in South Ossetia before the Georgians retaliated against the seperatists. The speed at which the Russians managed to invade Georgia would seem to indicate that this was true.

So:

Ossetian seperatists shell Georgian border villages.
Georgia retaliates but then asks for a truce.
Ossetian seperatists refuse truce and carry on shelling.
Georgia attacks Ossetia.
Russia invades Georgia.

The first and last actions were made by Russia/Russian supported forces.
The whole thing looks like a Russian set-up to me. They encouraged the Ossetians to attack the Georgians and told them to refuse to negotiate and then invaded Georgia when they were forced to retaliate.

This had nothing to do with the West. The whole thing was run by the Russians so that they could annex Georgia's land.

ogb5. You ask -

and by the way did the russians tell you they want to annex south ossetia? they recognised their independence this week

The fact that the leaders of the breakaway area are now talking about becoming a part of Russia and not indepentant states means that this is annexation.

Bastage:


ogb5. You ask -
The fact that the leaders of the breakaway area are now talking about becoming a part of Russia and not indepentant states means that this is annexation.

Sorry to come in here:

Do the Ossetians not have a right to determine their own destiny?

The population of the Bakassi Peninsula was 90% Nigerian and they held Nigerian passports.
Should Bakassi have been handed over to Cameroon?

If the answer is "No", you can't claim that Ossetia should have seceded.

south ossetians can determine their destiny through a referendum or plebiscite but russia is directly influencing the process without following due process.

Russian tanks invaded Georgia within 5 hours of the Georgians going into Ossetia. Everybody misses that point.

To mobilise 100 tanks takes far more than 5 hours.
This was a Russian coup. They were ready for invasion. Whatever lies they may state now, that's the fact.

russia has already promised millitary aid to the breakaway region. how can russia claim to be "peacekeeping" then give millitary aid to one side of the conflict

Bastage:

Russian tanks invaded Georgia within 5 hours of the Georgians going into Ossetia. Everybody misses that point.

To mobilise 100 tanks takes far more than 5 hours.
This was a Russian coup. They were ready for invasion. Whatever lies they may state now, that's the fact.

the russians should have waited for a 1000 hours?
The crises did not start the day the russians responded, do you remember the South Ossertians sent their women and children away almost a week before the russian response. everyone was preparing for the battle, you don't expect the russians not to prepare when they see trouble brewing, ofcourse the russians will have the georgian troop movement in their sight all the time.

bawomolo:

south ossetians can determine their destiny through a referendum or plebiscite but russia is directly influencing the process without following due process.

How?
When the sovient union fell, georgian came out of the ashes. the south ossertians explicitely stated they don't want to be part of georgia.
During the last crises, south ossertian refugees fled to russia, while georgian refugees fled into georgia. that should tell you where each party want to belong. People should be free to belong where they choose

You're missing the point.

The Russian Army was ready to invade Georgia before the Georgians went into Ossetia and Russia had created a situation where invasion was inevitable.

nothing is inevitable

the russians did not force the georgians to shell south ossertia. They did it because they wanted to use force to regain control of the region.

No one should be forced to be part of any country

If, as is looking likely, the Russians told the seperatists not to accept the offer of a truce, they did force the Georgian action.

You say nobody should be forced to be a part of any country. Does that mean I can declare my own nation within Nigeria? Of course it doesn't. The fact remains that Ossetia is Georgian territory under international law and the rule of law should be sacrosanct.
There has to be a line drawn that should not be crossed. Russia signed up to that line when it supported Georgian national integrity in the United Nations 6 months ago. It crossed that line when it instigated the invasion of Georgia.

Nothing is inevitable. But you can create a situation where you can pretty much be sure of the outcome.

under international law, kosovo is part of serbia, until recently when the us gave them independence, so why can't russia give south ossertia independence.

I think it should be thesame rule for everyone

ogb5:

under international law, kosovo is part of serbia, until recently when the us gave them independence, so why can't russia give south ossertia independence.

I think it should be thesame rule for everyone

kosovo was giving it's independence through the international community and the UN, the us couldn't give kosovo it's independence on it's own. i have a question, y did russia oppose the independence of kosovo but somewhere support the independence of two breakaway georgian regions russia isn't giving south ossetia or abhkazia independence, russia is planning to absorb them. u seem to have no problem with russia violating UN resolutions.

listen to yourself, does the un recognise kosovo independence.
maybe someone is feeding you fat lies

anyway, the americans can't get it their way all the time