Demmzy15:


Ibn Fudail reported on the authority of his father that he heard Salim b. 'Abdullah b. 'Umar as saying: O people of Iraq, how strange it is that you ask about the minor sins but commit major sins? I heard from my father 'Abdullah b. 'Umar, narrating that he heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying while pointing his hand towards the east: Verily, the turmoil would come from this side, from where appear the horns of Satan and you would strike the necks of one another.
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6943

As for this Hadith you quoted to buttress your point, read this Hadith too and many like it. From this Hadith, is it talking about Iraq?

Empiree:
na u started it now.

You are confused than ever, lol! I bet you the Sheikh never said that

Empiree:
As for this Hadith you quoted to buttress your point, read this Hadith too and many like it. From this Hadith, is it talking about Iraq?

Yes na!!!

Demmzy15:
I bet you the Sheikh never said that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5HCMP3G9Y

Empiree:
As for this Hadith you quoted to buttress your point, read this Hadith too and many like it. From this Hadith, is it talking about Iraq?

Najd is Iraaq, and there are many proofs of how the Sahabah, tabi'i, scholars, historians and geographers understood it to be Iraaq. I seriously don't know why the people of Najd, Saudi Arabia who are mostly Banu Tameem are giving you nightmare

It will be nice if you guys cross referenced your history. The present day Saudi Arabia used to be in Iraq. Even during the lifetime of the prophet there was nothing like Saudi Arabia.

Demmzy15:
Najd is Iraaq, and there are many proofs of how the Sahabah, tabi'i, scholars, historians and geographers understood it to be Iraaq. I seriously don't know why the people of Najd, Saudi Arabia who are mostly Banu Tameem are giving you nightmare

no they are not giving me nightmares. I'm just wondering why salafi scholars interpreted the hadith to prove their point. I thought they don't do tawil sounds strange to me.

Some analysis in PDF file. I got more

Another clear evidence. I remembered Demmy once argued about "relics of nabi" on display in Turkey I think and his "footprints" attributed to him in another country. We countered that thread remember?. That nabi never stepped his foot outside of Arabia.

Here is another Hadith that he (saw) went to najd. Is this "najd" in Iraq?.

Another whopping evidence. Remember Musaylma?.

I don't think demmy's scholars told him the truth

Empiree:
no they are not giving me nightmares. I'm just wondering why salafi scholars interpreted the hadith to prove their point. I thought they don't do tawil sounds strange to me.

Some analysis in PDF file. I got more

I don't need your rubbish analysis, you're one of the most hypocritical human beings I've ever come across. The video of Sheikh Al Albani which you referenced earlier, I ended up watching the video and he refuted all your bollocks. You ignored all the part he gave proofs that the location is Iraaq and then started screenshot the part he criticized the Sauds for bringing in the Americans (he never said it was wrong by the way). The Sheikh even gave evidence of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Why the hypocrisy?!

I seriously don't even know why I'm dragging this issue with you when there's a narration whereby "Iraaq" was mentioned categorically in front of the Prophet(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam):

Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan."

Al-Mujjam Awasaat Tibraani, Hadith-4230
Musnad-e-Bazzar,Abu-Bakr Bazzar Pg.292
Musnad Abdullah-bin-Umar Trososa pg.273
Silsilah Sahiha of Shaikh Al-Bani, Hadith number: 2246
Hilya-Awliya of Abu-Nu'aym pg.1/144
Haythami - Source: Zawaa'id - Page or number:3/308
Mundhiri in At-Tarqeeb wa-Tarhib - Page or number: 2/214
Tareekh Baghdad of Khatib al-Baghdadi 1:321
Tareekh Damishiq of Ibn-Asakir pg.571


Now eat dirt!!!!

Empiree:
Another clear evidence. I remembered Demmy once argued about "relics of nabi" on display in Turkey I think and his "footprints" attributed to him in another country. We countered that thread remember?. That nabi never stepped his foot outside of Arabia.

Here is another Hadith that he (saw) went to najd. Is this "najd" in Iraq?.

Which counter? Stop giving yourself false hopes, I never said the Prophet never stepped on Najd, I only said give us proof that the Prophet made this statement in Najd. Stop lying on me!

Demmzy15:
I don't need your rubbish analysis, you're one of the most hypocritical human beings I've ever come across. The video of Sheikh Al Albani which you referenced earlier, I ended up watching the video and he refuted all your bollocks. You ignored all the part he gave proofs that the location is Iraaq and then started screenshot the part he criticized the Sauds for bringing in the Americans (he never said it was wrong by the way). The Sheikh even gave evidence of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Why the hypocrisy?!

I seriously don't even know why I'm dragging this issue with you when there's a narration whereby "Iraaq" was mentioned categorically in front of the Prophet(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam):

Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan."

Al-Mujjam Awasaat Tibraani, Hadith-4230
Musnad-e-Bazzar,Abu-Bakr Bazzar Pg.292
Musnad Abdullah-bin-Umar Trososa pg.273
Silsilah Sahiha of Shaikh Al-Bani, Hadith number: 2246
Hilya-Awliya of Abu-Nu'aym pg.1/144
Haythami - Source: Zawaa'id - Page or number:3/308
Mundhiri in At-Tarqeeb wa-Tarhib - Page or number: 2/214
Tareekh Baghdad of Khatib al-Baghdadi 1:321
Tareekh Damishiq of Ibn-Asakir pg.571


Now eat dirt!!!!

I don't think i have time for argument now. Is it fair to call you too hypocrite for living out where the sheikh said the worst fitna is the pact made btw saudi and western world?. And did you care to read other analysis i posted by Hanafi school?. Quiet detailed. Sheikh Albani understood the iraq/kuwait conflict was lesser of the two evil. He said pact made by saudi is greeter evil. But unfortunately the sheikh didnt live to see how much danger and damages the pact caused the ummah. I can not post my view anymore without being label hypocrite just because you ill-informed?. Oga oo Olohun lo ma dajo afeyin pe'ran

Empiree:
Another whopping evidence. Remember Musaylma?.

I don't think demmy's scholars told him the truth

You ehn!!! So much desperation, I just pray you don't kpeme from heart attack one day.

Your analogies are weak, so just because a bad guy is from a people, then the whole of that people are condemned abi? For instance, the man that assassinated Umar is a persian, so you're saying all persians who don't agree with you are monsters and have the slyish character? One of the men promised paradise during his lifetime, Talhah Ibn Ubaydullah is from this tribe and many other companions are from this tribe. So what's your fuss?

Musaylama was one of the dajjal(liars), ironic there are other individuals from different places who were also dajjal. Now should we now use that particular individual to judge all the good people there?

This should help you think better:

Abu Hurayra said: ‘I have continued to love Banu Tamim after I heard three things concerning them from Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.). “They will be the sternest of my Umma against the Dajjal; one of them was a captive owned by ‘A’isha, and he said: ‘Free her, for she is a descendent of Ismail;’ and when their zakat came, he said: ‘This is the zakat of a people,’ or ‘of my people’.”
Sahih Al Bukhari. Book #46, Hadith #719

Empiree:
I don't think i have time for argument now. Is it fair to call you too hypocrite for living out where the sheikh said the worst fitna is the pact made btw saudi and western world?. And did you care to read other analysis i posted by Hanafi school?. Quiet detailed. Sheikh Albani understood the iraq/kuwait conflict was lesser of the two evil. He said pact made by saudi is greeter evil. But unfortunately the sheikh didnt live to see how much danger and damages the pact caused the ummah. I can not post my view anymore without being label hypocrite just because you ill-informed?. Oga oo Olohun lo ma dajo afeyin pe'ran

See you!!! So you've agreed that the Sheikh is right abi? And by the way, we were not talking about the gulf war

Lord have mercy. These people are really evil.

Inside mosque


Shuhada

Demmzy15:
See you!!! So you've agreed that the Sheikh is right abi? And by the way, we were not talking about the gulf war

where did i say i agree with him?.He simply gave his analysis which i believe holds no water. Hanafi analysis refutes his. Doesnt seem you go through that up there. He only quoted one hadith which is in isolation but he gave not details as much as Hanafi did.

That being said, this does not in anyway mean hatred for Iraqis or Saudis. It is about locatiing region the hadith is talking about. The sheikh clearly said pact signed by Saudi is greater of the two evils.

Demmzy15:
You ehn!!! So much desperation, I just pray you don't kpeme from heart attack one day.

Your analogies are weak, so just because a bad guy is from a people, then the whole of that people are condemned abi? For instance, the man that assassinated Umar is a persian, so you're saying all persians who don't agree with you are monsters and have the slyish character? One of the men promised paradise during his lifetime, Talhah Ibn Ubaydullah is from this tribe and many other companions are from this tribe. So what's your fuss?

Musaylama was one of the dajjal(liars), ironic there are other individuals from different places who were also dajjal. Now should we now use that particular individual to judge all the good people there?

This should help you think better:

Abu Hurayra said: ‘I have continued to love Banu Tamim after I heard three things concerning them from Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.). “They will be the sternest of my Umma against the Dajjal; one of them was a captive owned by ‘A’isha, and he said: ‘Free her, for she is a descendent of Ismail;’ and when their zakat came, he said: ‘This is the zakat of a people,’ or ‘of my people’.”
Sahih Al Bukhari. Book #46, Hadith #719

It baffles me how you reason. Who is talking about individual?. The hadith isnt about individual. It is talking from macro perspective. For instance sheikh Abdul rahman Sudais is from Najd, Saudi. If nabi(saw) for the sake of this argument is talking about Najd of Saudi, does that mean Sheikh Sudais is bad?. Think bro, think. Sheikh Sudais from his profile i read before is from Najd

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Empiree:
It baffles me how you reason. Who is talking about individual?. The hadith isnt about individual. It is talking from macro perspective. For instance sheikh Abdul rahman Sudais is from Najd, Saudi. If nabi(saw) for the sake of this argument is talking about Najd of Saudi, does that mean Sheikh Sudais is bad?. Think bro, think. Sheikh Sudais from his profile i read before is from Najd

So how does this proof your point?

Empiree:
where did i say i agree with him?.He simply gave his analysis which i believe holds no water. Hanafi analysis refutes his. Doesnt seem you go through that up there. He only quoted one hadith which is in isolation but he gave not details as much as Hanafi did.

So can you give us other hadith that your scholars use for analysis, all you've been doing here since is jumping all around. From MBS to Najd now again you've jumped to the gulf war. I expect your next step

That being said, this does not in anyway mean hatred for Iraqis or Saudis. It is about locatiing region the hadith is talking about. The sheikh clearly said pact signed by Saudi is greater of the two evils.

The Prophet(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam) referred to Iraaq specifically in a narration I posted earlier, I noticed you didn't comment on that. Another narration the Prophet mentioned that Dajjal will emerge from the road between Iraaq and Syria, I wonder how najd became a location between Iraaq and Syria.

Nasty events that have happened in Iraaq:

Murderers of Uthman(RadiAllaahu Anh) were Kufis ie they were Iraaqis
Battle of Jamal was in Iraaq
Death of Aliyy (RadiAllaahu Anh)
Death of Hussain(RadiAllaahu Anh)
Emergence of the first sects(Qadariyyah, jahmiyyah, Mu'tazila)
Mongol slaughter of Muslims in Baghdad(the Ummah is yet to recover from this)
US Invasion
ISIS Khawarij

And please stop making noise about "Hanafis", those aren't Hanafis but Soofees just like yourself. They're Barawelis from the Indian Subcontinent who are known to hate Salafis. Moreover, I've read from Zahiris, Hanbalis, Malikis and Shafi'i and they all interpret it to be Iraaq. Companions and those after them all knew it to be Iraaq, so who the hell are you?

You've not presented anything tangible, later you'll now come and say years later that you shut me up

Demmzy15:

later you'll now come and say years later that you shut me up

Mark this, this will happen, that's his manhaj as well as his shia friend.

Demmzy15:


So can you give us other hadith that your scholars use for analysis, all you've been doing here since is jumping all around. From MBS to Najd now again you've jumped to the gulf war. I expect your next step



The Prophet(Sallalahu Alayhi Wa Salam) referred to Iraaq specifically in a narration I posted earlier, I noticed you didn't comment on that. Another narration the Prophet mentioned that Dajjal will emerge from the road between Iraaq and Syria, I wonder how najd became a location between Iraaq and Syria.

Nasty events that have happened in Iraaq:

Murderers of Uthman(RadiAllaahu Anh) were Kufis ie they were Iraaqis
Battle of Jamal was in Iraaq
Death of Aliyy (RadiAllaahu Anh)
Death of Hussain(RadiAllaahu Anh)
Emergence of the first sects(Qadariyyah, jahmiyyah, Mu'tazila)
Mongol slaughter of Muslims in Baghdad(the Ummah is yet to recover from this)
US Invasion to
ISIS Khawarij

And please stop making noise about "Hanafis", those aren't Hanafis but Soofees just like yourself. They're Barawelis from the Indian Subcontinent who are known to hate Salafis. Moreover, I've read from Zahiris, Hanbalis, Malikis and Shafi'i and they all interpret it to be Iraaq. Companions and those after them all knew it to be Iraaq, so who the hell are you?

You've not presented anything tangible, later you'll now come and say years later that you shut me up

Don't worry buddy, najd is building up. No need to argue with you. Everything you mentioned about Iraq could be said of Saudi as well. But ain't gonna let you make me sounds like I hate them.

Help yourself. Najd is in the making. Let me remind you again of Hadith which says when scums prevail in Arabia they are destined for destruction

Scums are building up. I told you they would surprise you .


And the winner of the card......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l47VgBTEeqc

Card playing Imam

Empiree:
And the winner of the card......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l47VgBTEeqc
Card playing Imam

That's "al-kitab wa Sunnah" card playing casino faah

Empiree:
He seems to adhere more to secularism some form or manner.

So Assad happens to be a Sufi saint not a secularist? Everything you accuse the bloke of has been far surpassed by your personal favourite hero Assad. Hence it is nothing short of hypocrisy to defend what one Assad do and condemn a potential copy cat who haven't done a 10th of your favourite dictator does. I know this will bounce off your ear, but you should be told the truth.

vedaxcool:


So Assad happens to be a Sufi saint not a secularist? Everything you accuse the bloke of has been far surpassed by your personal favourite hero Assad. Hence it is nothing short of hypocrisy to defend what one Assad do and condemn a potential copy cat who haven't done a 10th of your favourite dictator does. I know this will bounce off your ear, but you should be told the truth.

Oga, from whence you popped up from just like that?.

And who told you I support Assad blindly and why did you bring him into this?. Those who know what this is about understood me quite well. This land of Saudi is specific to heartland of Islam. Whatever goes on there concerns me, not Assad.

AlBaqir:


That's "al-kitab wa Sunnah" card playing casino faah

the thing shocked me you know and made me sad last night. Shayateen comfortably diverted their attention.

This is really Sign of Akhir zaman. If this happens in Nigeria, we could say Nigeria is multireligion country. But in the heartland of Islam is off it

Empiree:
Oga, from whence you popped up from just like that?.

And who told you I support Assad blindly and why did you bring him into this?. Those who know what this is about understood me quite well. This land of Saudi is specific to heartland of Islam. Whatever goes on there concerns me, not Assad.

It makes you nothing more than a hypocrite, a hypocrite is one who twist and turns on similar matter. You blindly support Assad, you blindly stated his murder of innocents with the support of Russia and Iran serves Islam. The issue is simple you cannot choose when secularism is bad and when it is good you simply cannot support secular Assad and at the same time be against allegedly secular MBS, you cannot not support Assad that locks Muslim clerics who criticize him and at same time be against MBS when he does the same thing. It is people like you that make religion nothing more than a cover to legitimise what politicians do and delegimise their opponents. Islam supports integrity and honesty, you cannot continue to display such wicked levels of dishonesty and be asking why people keep pointing you to serial inconsistencies. I advise you look at what you really believe in instead of condemning other people like you are anyway better than them. It is true you climb on the mountain of your own sins to look at the sins of others.

vedaxcool:


It makes you nothing more than a hypocrite, a hypocrite is one who twist and turns on similar matter. You blindly support Assad, you blindly stated his murder of innocents with the support of Russia and Iran serves Islam. The issue is simple you cannot choose when secularism is bad and when it is good you simply cannot support secular Assad and at the same time be against allegedly secular MBS, you cannot not support Assad that locks Muslim clerics who criticize him and at same time be against MBS when he does the same thing. It is people like you that make religion nothing more than a cover to legitimise what politicians do and delegimise their opponents. Islam supports integrity and honesty, you cannot continue to display such wicked levels of dishonesty and be asking why people keep pointing you to serial inconsistencies. I advise you look at what you really believe in instead of condemning other people like you are anyway better than them. It is true you climb on the mountain of your own sins to look at the sins of others.

Thank you for pointing out criticisms of me. If that's your observations, fine. But I dont understand why you brought Assad, Iran, Russia in this?. Here is about Islam heartland. Some things other Muslim countries do that are not necessarily appropriate may be tolerated due religious pluralism but may not be allowed generally by all muslims in the Holiest lands of Islam. So i dont understand why you brought unrelated issues in to this.

If you dont see looming danger in the pictures i posted earlier and tried to cover up like you dont know what i am talking about then you have serious problem. I am not looking for fault in them. This is really about current affairs of muslims. If Nigeria legalizes gambling, we muslims may not worry as much as Saudi would legalize gambling. That's my point. So i dont know why you brought Iran, Assad and Russian here. You all can pretend like you dont see those pictures. Brace for the worst bcuz shayateen are pushing them so hard.

So call me hypocrite and whatever names you have in the book. Doesnt bother me one bit. Again, this is about Islam in Holiest land not politics. You didnt need to tell me Assad is secularized leader. I am not blind.

Empiree:
Thank you for pointing out criticisms of me. If that's your observations, fine. But I dont understand why you brought Assad, Iran, Russia in this?. Here is about Islam heartland. Some things other Muslim countries do that are not necessarily appropriate may be tolerated due religious pluralism but may not be allowed generally by all muslims in the Holiest lands of Islam. So i dont understand why you brought unrelated issues in to this.

If you dont see looming danger in the pictures i posted earlier and tried to cover up like you dont know what i am talking about then you have serious problem. I am not looking for fault in them. This is really about current affairs of muslims. If Nigeria legalizes gambling, we muslims may not worry as much as Saudi would legalize gambling. That's my point. So i dont know why you brought Iran, Assad and Russian here. You all can pretend like you dont see those pictures. Brace for the worst bcuz shayateen are pushing them so hard.

So call me hypocrite and whatever names you have in the book. Doesnt bother me one bit. Again, this is about Islam in Holiest land not politics. You didnt need to tell me Assad is secularized leader. I am not blind.

The only one pretending in this thread is you, you say one thing today and change the rule tomorrow. Learn to be consistent more important than criticizing others is being of an impeccable character, that is the key to your Al Jannah not by putting out misplaced statement about other people's failings. When one shows warning signals of hypocrisy then you should be very worried not asking why you are being shown that.

Once again Assad aided by the it's allies Russia and Iran murder civilians in the most horrible and despicable manner available.

Demmzy15:

Ibn Umar reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “O Allah, bless us in our Syria. O Allah, bless us in our Yemen.” He repeated it and on the third or fourth time, they said, “O Messenger of Allah, and in our Iraq.” The Prophet said, “Verily, from there will appear upheavals and tribulations and from there will rise the horn of Satan."

Where is reference for this hadith you quoted?. I have been searching but cant find where Iraq is mentioned. All those narration i found mentioned Najd. And can you please provide Arabic text bcuz it seems to me this is fraud. I am waiting, sir.

Raintaker:
It will be nice if you guys cross referenced your history.
The present day Saudi Arabia used to be in Iraq.
Even during the lifetime of the prophet there was nothing like Saudi Arabia.

You mind them. The hadith he quoted up there seems to be edited version of najd. Pro-Saudi scholars probably inserted Iraq in the narration. I will wait for him to provide reference and also arabic text where iraq is mentioned in the hadith. Besides, you are very correct bcuz at that time there were no borders.

Take a look at these maps. They are trying to brainwash us and change the history.