Sissie:


i consider the timeline of that period vis a vis the timeline we are now. hope that answers the question.

Empiree:
You fall my hand with ahadith you cited. You know too well there are similar Quranic verses. Those ahadith you cited are to be understood in their contextual basis. I dont think i need to say more. It is usually "Quranites" that say what you just said. Dont stoop low akhi

AlBaqir:


Unfortunately you joined the league thinking am referring to the Era of Nabi. Anyway I have said enough afterwards and couple examples given which none of you can twist or run away from.

Sissie:


LOL, I dont know the cool aid you are drinking.
escept for certain states i dont know where u see mayhem and chaos
one: in regions with a predominant religion, its harder to see inter religious marriages, even in situations like muslim men being allowed to marry christian woman, it is still harder to find, its not impossible, its just harder and its not about tolerance only either.

two: areas with predominant christians in the norths have churches, i.e sabon gari in kano etc. Many people until recently thought borno didnt have significant christian populations. there are states in the north with significant christian populations who have no issues ie Bauchi, gombe etc, why would you need a mosque and a church in the same vicinity? when the settlements are divided along tribal and religious lines? so not having church and mosque in the same compound means no tolerance?? if they were more mixed families then maybe church and mosque will be in the same vicinity. In igbo land with predominant Christians, same rules apply.

how many yoruba muslim males are marrying igbo female chritians? the population of that is small too. law of probability

three: in the US there are areas where mosques cant be built because the people dont want it. thats a predominant non muslim commmunity. so that is normal.

four: the south almost has a blance of muslim and christian population so by that alone its understandable while they have more inter religious marriage, the mathematics alone proves the probability of that happening more, its not all about tolerance. remember its allowed islamically for a muslim man to marry non muslim. and northeners know this too.

tintingz:
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I'm waiting to see an Hausa man marrying an Igbo lady, I'm yet to see one, if there is you can tell me.

U.S is populated with judeo-christians, at least mosques still exist there, is there any church in Saudi Arabia?

Sissie:


terror to his enemy not mankind, 2 different things. war comes with terror. they were at war, they werent cuddling.

Allah's Messenger said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, AND I HAVE
BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS WITH TERROR (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."

what does terror mean here? fear.

and no terror doesnt always come with violent.

a boss can terrorise his employee etc etc and it could be good or bad, depending on the context.

and conquering nations was what people did then. you either conquer or be conquered, its not how it is now oh, with nations and all. slavery was the norm, what was wrong was how some slaves were treated. read economic histories not just religion and understand slavery i.e the feudal system and how economic systems changed over time.

it was empires fighting and conqueering themselves ie the fight against byzantine empire, if they had not gone to conquer they would have conquered them. ie the persian empire were zoroastrians and empires conquered empires, rule, take slaves, land etc etc. read up on the empires at that time and the modus operandi.

Empiree:
This is pure politics not religious one. They use religion for cover up. I would imagine you know better

You know it is like Sura Maida 51. it is f00lish if anyone thinks Quran is talking about ALL Jews and ALL Christians. Same applies here. It is oblivious the statement was made ONLY against people at war with Muslims those times. Definitely not terror against ALL kufar.

tintingz:
Both politics and religious purpose, we can't rule out religion.


What about the hadith that talked about forcing people to accept Islam?

Empiree:
Actually, what you quoted do not indicate certain era. You simply quoted ahadith. But then, if you're referring to later era, if later era took advantage of the ahadith out of context, that's a different story entirely. But ahadith have nothing to do with them. Similarly, anyone of us today may take advantage of any verse of Quran or hadith. Still doesnt make the text guilty. You should have simply blamed later era for taken advantage of religious text.

I did not join the league. I simply pointed out your wrong approach. I disagree with them on some things as well.... especially on religious application and their definition of bida'h

AlBaqir:


When you have hadith that says "I am to fight people until they proclaim shahadatain", I ask what kind of Islam is that when Allah says, " let there be no compulsion in religion"?!

Empiree:
Maryam Babangida (Maryam Okogwu) comes to mind

Reason for low inter-religious/ethical marriage btw Hausa/Igbo is more political and indeed religious one as well. Ask Igbo people this why they dont marry Hausa, they gonna tell you "abadan"...;lae lae . It is TwoWay street

Wrong comparison

Empiree:
You can quote that out let me see?

AlBaqir:
There is a difference between waging unjustified war into other's land (e.g north Africa), putting terror into their heart, forcing them to accept Islam, changing their culture, language into that of Arab....These compare to Nabi's protective war?! Its a distance between heavens and the earth.

Empiree:


Disagree with you. I am not aware of "preemptive war" in islam. You surely sound like George Bush here

ALL you could do is protect your borders. Now you falling to albaqir's trap

sino:


Before going to war with the disbelievers, Jews and mushriks, did the Prophet (SAW) asked them to accept Islam?!

What did the Prophet (SAW) do to his enemies (who were fighting him and he was fighting them) who then proclaimed the shahadatain?!

AlBaqir:
There is a difference between waging unjustified war into other's land (e.g north Africa), putting terror into their heart, forcing them to accept Islam, changing their culture, language into that of Arab....These compare to Nabi's protective war?! Its a distance between heavens and the earth.

tintingz:
Inter religious marriage full here in southwest, my first born married a Christian lady.

But that doesn't rule out religious discrimination here in southwest tho.

Bauchi, gombe are middle-belt not full of fanatic Muslims. And yes having mosque and church in same vicinity is a lot of step to tolerance, the opposite is in the north where they beheaded a christian lady.

FriendChoice:


@bolded above.

Haba Baba. You're not a small kid like me (Am not perfect and despite being a kid I focus on the truth and shun falsehood and lie), you must not lie to prove your point.


How did Bauchi and Gombe: One of the centres of Boko Haram become Middle Belt? One of the popular Fulani states in Nigeria.


Please Go back and check the Nigerian map. So any state with some significant number of Christians is middle belt.

Bauchi of all place where Sir Ahmadu Bello Came From.

[ Then the following should also be classified as North Central

Kano - (Largest state with number of Christian in the north although not accounting for 10% of the entire population). is middle belt.

Bauchi and Gombe from northeast are now middle belt.

Kaduna state from northwest Nigeria has significant number of Christians is now middle belt.

Taraba from northeast with roughly 50/50 Muslim-christian ratio is now middle belt. ]


Go back to school: You still need geography class.

tintingz:
Are you done masturbating, Mr kido?

Here is what Wikipedia said:

Areas of Nigeria which are generally referred to as belonging to the Middle Belt are: Kwara State, Kogi State, Benue State, Plateau State, Nasarawa State, Niger State, Taraba State, Adamawa State as well as the southern parts of Kaduna State, Kebbi State, Bauchi State, Gombe State, Yobe State and Borno State.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Belt

With all that I've posted it is only this part that turns you on, wehdon sir.

FriendChoice:



you are a father but you couldn't realize that. I pray your children will not inherit your mentality.

FriendChoice:



Am not after Wikipedia that I can go right now and edit it. Foolish liar. Shame on you old liar, you are a father but you couldn't realize that. I pray your children will not inherit your mentality. This is another Wikipedia link you can go and edit the States also.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitical_zones_of_Nigeria

You can also edit the following to suits your lies

https://oldnaija.com/2016/03/17/the-six-geopolitical-zones-in-nigeria-with-their-states/

http://www.nigerianinfopedia.com/six-geo-political-zones-nigeria-36-states-capital-in-nigeria/

http://www.ura.com.ng/2016/08/the-6-geopolitical-zones-in-nigeria.html?m=1



North Central States: Kogi, Niger, Benue, Kwara, Plateau, Nassarawa and the Federal Capital Territory.

North-Eastern States: Taraba, Borno, Bauchi, Adamawa, Gombe and Yobe State.

North-Western States: Kaduna, Kebbi, Zamfara, Sokoto, Kano, Jigawa and Katsina State.

Rilwayne001:


Lol, he's not yet a father

tintingz:
So you had to insult me and involve my unborn children to prove your point? What a mess!

As far as some part of taraba, bauchi, gombe are refer as middle belt ends this argument and it support my previous arguments.

You can go to the national TV and lament, you can even visit acting president osinbajo, saraki to lament, it is non of my business.

FriendChoice:


Not as far as you concern. Just say as far as your lies are concern.

As far as Nigeria is concern my above classification is official not your own personal, selfish lies.

It's officially not only in zoning but also in educational curriculum geography, history etc in every level of Nigerian literacy.

Am not written for you to believe but to expose the lies in your previous post, so that sisie will not be blind folded by your regular lies and mentality.

tintingz:
You're still arguing for argument sake?

This is from a Nigeira media publication:

Define the Middle Belt as it stands today.

In those days, the Middle-Belt was perceived to be mainly the North Central that we know today, which constitutes six states. But, by and large, political exigencies compelled the Middle-Belt to grow beyond geographical area of North Central. It has now both a geography and socio-cultural expression of the people and it captures all those people that are found within the areas of geographical landmarks that have similar cultural affinity with one another, which are mainly ethnic nationalities different from Hausa-Fulani core North.

These people would be found in southern Kebbi, southern Kaduna in the North-west zone; southern Borno, southern Yobe and the entire Adamawa, Taraba, southern Gombe and southern Bauchi in the North-east geo-political zone. You have all the states of Nasarawa, Plateau, Benue, Kogi ,Niger and the FCT coming together as the Middle-Belt today.

If you take the map of Nigeria and you map together southern Borno, southern Kebbi, southern Yobe, southern Bauchi, southern Gombe and the other states mentioned earlier, you will discover that they fall in the Middle-Belt area of Nigeria and the land is contiguous.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/2015-core-north-middle-belt-fall-apart/

I didn't publish this, it is from a vanguard publication, a Nigeria media company and again this support my previous argument. So kindly know who to call a "foolish liar".

Rilwayne001:

Lol, he's not yet a father

FriendChoice:


How those the crap of Vanguard make Bauchi north central. is Vanguard national Assembly or President Buhari. How exactly. How those this support your claim that Boko Haram region is liberal? How.

tintingz:
I don't know if it is your brain that's slow or you just want to argue, do you read the article clearly? This is not only about geographical zone, it is about middle-belt people living in those area which is bauchi, gombe, taraba etc they have come together as middle-belt. I will advice you to read the full article to understand better.

So it is not a surprise if Christians are much in those area.

Bauchi, gombe are middle-belt not full of fanatic Muslims. And yes having mosque and church in same vicinity is a lot of step to tolerance, the opposite is in the north where they beheaded a christian lady.