dalhat14:
well, I'm a doctor and have never referred to them as illiterates, I'm infact an anaesthetist and I can tell u that the physician has d final say and the nurse anaesthetists takes instructions from the doctor, so the facts shouldn't be mixed up here

hello colleague, am an anaesthesiologist too. happy to see you here enjoying your strike. just sent you a mail

Clamoring for titles, peanuts and what the heck while Ebola is getting close. When it eventually get in none of these workers will remember NMA or JOHESU strife. All scientist should get back to base and product something that will safeguard Nigerians for the meantime. International scientist community says no breakthrough yet maybe cause it is not their concern, West Africa can go and die.
. For what it is worth these NMA and JOHESU bullshits will never end not while the Taraba state specialist hospital assistant director of nursing service is a consultant radiologist. I was like what the heck.
It won't end at all except privatization policy is instituted and the law of supply and demand enforced. Then every employees will be paid according to their billings, this is why not all doctors, nurses,pharmacist etc are paid the same in the US. Your output has to count......not I am entitled to it.
GET BACK TO RESEARCH BASE PLEASE...AS BIOMEDICAL, LAB, CLINICAL,QUALITY CONTROL SCIENTIST or whatever is your title nomenclature and produce Ebola vaccine pleaseeeeeeeeeee

the general84:
Pls don't joke with your health. U can visit a good private hospital before things get out of hand

Thank u very much, I just visited one, I am a bit OK now.

Here it is

drcakes: Here it is

Chart of US highest paid professionals ......according to your chart air traffic controllers, etc in reference to Nigerian sector is a member of JOHESU. counting Optometrist too as a JOHESU member too ?
They operate on the economic principle of demand and supply whereby the most sort after earns the highest which is never gonna happen in our own climes. Surgical specialist earn higher than others cos the NPs and the physicians assistant abounds in those fields making it less lucrative.
They also factors in the years of study viz
.....undergrad...4
.....medical school...4
......residency.......3-7
subspecialty..... 2-3
Now, by the time these guys started making the big bucks their mate are making retirement plans .

Elythron16zero4: @bolded staff sir not staffs

sorry about that.

amaham:
hello colleague, am an anaesthesiologist too. happy to see you here enjoying your strike. just sent you a mail

Hi, pls contact using dsalahu@yahoo.com

Guy just to inform you, a doctor's training is holistic and therefore no support staff is indispensable. For your reminder, the last time JOHESU embarked on their strike action, doctors admitted patients, did surgeries and ran all specialist clinics in all public hospitals. i wonder where in this country you were during that strike that you're saying "without these people a doctors practice is zero". On the contrary, just think for a moment....if doctors abandon their duty post on a permanent basis, JOHESU members will all suffer retrenchment. Hope this sinks deep into your skull

barika2011:
Just see your sense..mumu..look at the way u address efficient and hard working medical lab scientist,pharmacist and nurses...'lab people'..without this people a doctors practice is zero..if they go on strike even d doctors will go home to stay,cos not even registration of patients would take place,cos all medical files of the hospital wud b dumped on the shelves,...then we can start from there....

ebiskem: Guy just to inform you, a doctor's training is holistic and therefore no support staff is indispensable. For your reminder, the last time JOHESU embarked on their strike action, doctors admitted patients, did surgeries and ran all specialist clinics in all public hospitals. i wonder where in this country you were during that strike that you're saying "without these people a doctors practice is zero". On the contrary, just think for a moment....if doctors abandon their duty post on a permanent basis, JOHESU members will all suffer retrenchment. Hope this sinks deep into your skull

Doctors do all that because they have no respect for law and ethics maybe they are not taught that in school. Law will show you your boundary and the penalty for breaking it in sane climate but not in Nigeria. If others start encroaching into medicine, doc tors won't have anything to do again.
Please take time and study the curriculum of other professionals and see how you too is dispensable. Honestly JOHESU needs to be banned because their cohesiveness and with their collective and individual responsibilities, time will come when they will usurp more of the physicians position as the NPs and PAs are doing in US.

Please guys, we should always reason out things before we speak. NMA hasn't gone on 'too many strikes' because I can't remember the last NMA strike. Secondly, in western would, foreign nurses get jobs easier than foreign doctors not because of relevance of certificates but because doctors decide how and when a life ends, putting him in a more god-like position that requires careful selection of those that fill in that position. Doctors have to write another 3-step exams or more than that to practice abroad in the US. Even at that, nigeria has the second largest number of foreign doctors in the UK and many more of such across the world. From statistics more than half of nigerian-born and nigerian made doctors work outside the shores of this country. And that's not because the rest can't go, but because of their love and empathy for our fatherland. If this love and empathy is abused. Am afraid we would have nurses and other paramedics running the public hospitals here. But u see, more than half of nigerian nurses are not Bsc nursing holders. They went to nursing training schools, not a university and thus, are not qualified nurses who can work outside nigeria. Perhaps let's look into NMA's claim, where has a court clerk/legal assistant sort the post of Minister of justice and Judge in the court, where has a non academic staff sort the post of Vice Chancellor, where has a medical doctor sort the post of chief of army staff Where has an Engineering assistant sorted the post of chief Engineer of a state Where have you seen an accountant as the Surveyor-general of a state. Every sector of the country is intertwined in rendition of service. E.g a doctor works as an army officer but has never been the Chief of army staff, he is a suPport staff there. So support staff in the hospitals are can not be chief medical director(COMMAND), a pharmacist is a pharmacist anywhere in the wide world, why must nigerian pharmacist crave the title of 'doctor' this is an aberration, everyone should know their place and if place aren't good enough, go to school and study your new love profession. You can't eat you cake and another person's own. You must be a witch!!!
This issue has been on for a long time, its more than meets the eye. Doctors in nigeria overwork and don't get paid for it, doing a lot of selfless things all for the good of the patient and if these patients don't see anygood in them, well am afraid what'll become of the system. The same JEHOSU members who are 'more' important than doctors still come to the clinics themselves with their relatives begging for kinder attention and assistance. You can't bite the finger that feeds you.
Let's privatize the health system, afterall, the government hasn't done its obligation of providing cheap medical services. Then, everyone in the sector would know his/her true positions and either work or leave.

Leopantro:

sorry about that.

oh know! i missed the trap. I wanted to test if you will take offense to justify that doctors are egoistic but you proved me wrong. This is a good incidence to confirm that some doctors are quite humble people. I made a mistake too in my choice of words but some doctors who saw it treated it as an ignorance instead of correcting me then i took offense to defend it even though i knew i was wrong. It was after that they started seeing it as an error. But at last i admitted my wrongs when one them spoke very reasonably. YOU ARE WELCOME SIR.

to pay back a deduction that was made from all staffs [/b]in that hospital that took 7 months to pay back.

[b:
Elythron16zero4@: bolded staff sir not staffs
[b]Leopantro
sorry about that.

oh know! i missed the trap . I wanted to test if you will take offense to justify that doctors are egoistic but you proved me wrong. This is a good incidence to confirm that some doctors are quite humble people. I made a mistake too in my choice of words but some doctors who saw it treated it as an ignorance instead of correcting me then i took offense to defend it even though i knew i was wrong. It was after that they started seeing it as an error. But at last i admitted my wrongs when one them spoke very reasonably. YOU ARE WELCOME SIR.

xanchu: Please guys, we should always reason out things before we speak. NMA hasn't gone on 'too many strikes' because I can't remember the last NMA strike. Secondly, in western would, foreign nurses get jobs easier than foreign doctors not because of relevance of certificates but because doctors decide how and when a life ends, putting him in a more god-like position that requires careful selection of those that fill in that position. Doctors have to write another 3-step exams or more than that to practice abroad in the US. Even at that, nigeria has the second largest number of foreign doctors in the UK and many more of such across the world. From statistics more than half of nigerian-born and nigerian made doctors work outside the shores of this country. And that's not because the rest can't go, but because of their love and empathy for our fatherland. If this love and empathy is abused. Am afraid we would have nurses and other paramedics running the public hospitals here. But u see, more than half of nigerian nurses are not Bsc nursing holders. They went to nursing training schools, not a university and thus, are not qualified nurses who can work outside nigeria. Perhaps let's look into NMA's claim, where has a court clerk/legal assistant sort the post of Minister of justice and Judge in the court, where has a non academic staff sort the post of Vice Chancellor, where has a medical doctor sort the post of chief of army staff Where has an Engineering assistant sorted the post of chief Engineer of a state Where have you seen an accountant as the Surveyor-general of a state. Every sector of the country is intertwined in rendition of service. E.g a doctor works as an army officer but has never been the Chief of army staff, he is a suPport staff there. So support staff in the hospitals are can not be chief medical director(COMMAND), a pharmacist is a pharmacist anywhere in the wide world, why must nigerian pharmacist crave the title of 'doctor' this is an aberration, everyone should know their place and if place aren't good enough, go to school and study your new love profession. You can't eat you cake and another person's own. You must be a witch!!!
This issue has been on for a long time, its more than meets the eye. Doctors in nigeria overwork and don't get paid for it, doing a lot of selfless things all for the good of the patient and if these patients don't see anygood in them, well am afraid what'll become of the system. The same JEHOSU members who are 'more' important than doctors still come to the clinics themselves with their relatives begging for kinder attention and assistance. You can't bite the finger that feeds you.
Let's privatize the health system, afterall, the government hasn't done its obligation of providing cheap medical services. Then, everyone in the sector would know his/her true positions and either work or leave.

Rely on truth when posting please. That Nigerian trained nurses fROM school of nursing don't travel and work abroad is a fallacy. I wish they are here to educate you on that.
PRIVATISATION ALL THE WAY, NO WORK NO PAY, INPUT AND OUTPUT WILL BE RATIFIED.

Elythron16zero4: to pay back a deduction that was made from all [b]staffs [/b]in that hospital that took 7 months to pay back.oh know! i missed the trap . I wanted to test if you will take offense to justify that doctors are egoistic but you proved me wrong. This is a good incidence to confirm that some doctors are quite humble people. I made a mistake too in my choice of words but some doctors who saw it treated it as an ignorance instead of correcting me then i took offense to defend it even though i knew i was wrong. It was after that they started seeing it as an error. But at last i admitted my wrongs when one them spoke very reasonably. YOU ARE WELCOME SIR.

lol. i believe nobody is above making a mistake and efficiency in teamwork. when faced with a patient i can do the work of a nurse or a cleaner, i don't really care. it's the patient's return to proper health that is important to me. then i move to the next patient.

but i guess it depends on your outlook at life.

Nigeria doctor could be likened to a superman. He knows everything and would want to do everything by himself. Just image a radiologist who spent over 13 years perfecting skills coming to take medical images. Radiographers are professional who are responsible, empowered and have the competency to produce quality diagnostic images. In have seen folks here referring to imaging scientists as "photographers". What a shame! Tell me why you think it is so easy for a single individual to learn modalities like- xray, ultrasound, CT, MRI, fluoroscopy, PET/SPECT scan, Nuclear imaging, radiotherapy, doseimetry, fMRI, Molecular imaging, Cath Cauterization, Mammography, Angiography, Arthrography, interventional radiography, bone densitery. If it is not difficult, why not pick anyone off the street and train him/her.

Leopantro:

lol. i believe nobody is above making a mistake and efficiency in teamwork. when faced with a patient i can do the work of a nurse or a cleaner, i don't really care. it's the patient's return to proper health that is important to me. then i move to the next patient.

but i guess it depends on your outlook at life.

you cant teach passion its either there or it isn't.

sonnie10: Nigeria doctor could be likened to a superman. He knows everything and would want to do everything by himself. Just image a radiologist who spent over 13 years perfecting skills coming to take medical images. Radiographers are professional who are responsible, empowered and have the competency to produce quality diagnostic images. In have seen folks here referring to imaging scientists as "photographers". What a shame! Tell me why you think it is so easy for a single individual to learn modalities like- xray, ultrasound, CT, MRI, fluoroscopy, PET/SPECT scan, Nuclear imaging, radiotherapy, doseimetry, fMRI, Molecular imaging, Cath Cauterization, Mammography, Angiography, Arthrography, interventional radiography, bone densitery. If it is not difficult, why not pick anyone off the street and train him/her.

google is your friend.

Leopantro:

lol. i believe nobody is above making a mistake and efficiency in teamwork. when faced with a patient i can do the work of a nurse or a cleaner, i don't really care. it's the patient's return to proper health that is important to me. then i move to the next patient.

but i guess it depends on your outlook at life.

speak no further, your penultimate post says it all you must be humble to a fault. i see you rising some day to the peak of your career and becoming a substantive CMD, DV.cheers!

Elythron16zero4: I am a pharm but u see i think everyone is important in the health system. The doctors have forgotten that they use drugs to treat patients or does their training include drug productions. If in the World today all pharms stop producing drugs, what alternative is left with the doctors to use? Herbs? when they are not native doctors. come to think of it if all us studies medicine and become doctors, who will be the other things including the patients. On a lighter note; if all patients should go on strike by refusing to go to the hospitals which is not possible medical doctors may become vet. doctors if that happens .that's to show that even the patients who don't work in the hospitals are equally important(least to say other health workers) because without them doctors won't treat animals/trees after all . please, lets respect other peoples professions while we all know our limits. sometimes i am tempted to pick up DE form and enroll for medicine because of the way our doctors are over-celebrated here as if other professions are not relevant. May be i will consider that option if all this hullabaloo continues

No sir.. You won't do that! We'd be appreciated one day!

Elythron16zero4: I am a pharm but u see i think everyone is important in the health system. The doctors have forgotten that they use drugs to treat patients or does their training include drug productions. If in the World today all pharms stop producing drugs, what alternative is left with the doctors to use? Herbs? when they are not native doctors. come to think of it if all us studies medicine and become doctors, who will be the other things including the patients. On a lighter note; if all patients should go on strike by refusing to go to the hospitals which is not possible medical doctors may become vet. doctors if that happens .that's to show that even the patients who don't work in the hospitals are equally important(least to say other health workers) because without them doctors won't treat animals/trees after all . please, lets respect other peoples professions while we all know our limits. sometimes i am tempted to pick up DE form and enroll for medicine because of the way our doctors are over-celebrated here as if other professions are not relevant. May be i will consider that option if all this hullabaloo continues

am sorry bt, people wt such mindset are usually the reason 4 this strike.

ebera: Just for the sake of those that needs enlightenment; I stumbled on the functions of a CMD of a hospital.

''The Chief Medical Director is the
Hospital’s Chief Executive and in that
capacity has responsibility for the day-to-
day management of the entire hospital
under the broad direction of the Board of
Management. The Chief Medical Director
in addition directs responsibility for key
Departments like Accounts and Finance,
Internal Audit, Information and
Communication Technology Unit
(ICT), SERVICOM, Public
Relations, Engineering, Planning,
Security Services. Stores & Supplies, Staff
development, as well as relationship with
external bodies. The statutory role of the
Chief Medical Director is that of an over-
all coordinator of the entire functions of
the hospital. Each Director may be
ascribed specific responsibility for a group
of activities, The Chief Medical Director
has global responsibility even for the
functions assigned to the various
directors.'
Source:Oauthc.com/cmdoffice.aspx
I rest my case.....
So, why will doctors usurp thid power when it is purely administrative.mtchewwww

gush! That position is purely admin.

It is often said that when two elephants fight, it is always the grass that suffers! Just imagine how many precious souls may have died as a result of this inhuman attitude from both the 'medics' and the Government!! Even if what they are fighting for is right, strike action shouldn't be the first thing on their priority list. Abah!!

People believed in the Government of Nigeria that built these hospitals, hence they confidently go there for treatment only for their corpses to be delivered to their respective families at the end of the day, because 'they' (the Government) whom they repose great confidence in, refused to perform!!! This is purely negligence of duty.

At this juncture, I think the bereaved families have a right to sue the Government and the 'Medics' (as co-defendants) in MURDER! In my own view, this is a case of negligence by the Doctors who have a duty of care to treat these 'dead' patients.
Now who is to be held responsible for the 'murder' of these innocent Nigerians?

I think its time we started making the Government of this our beloved country see us as Living Beings with a right to life!! We should awake from our slumber and fight the course of justice

I would like the house to critically look into this case and comment.