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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by tunesoft(m): 12:08pm On Jul 07, 2014
onyxo76: just 25,000 drs for a nation of over 170 million citizens!!! and more are going overseas annually even after getting specialist training here... thats 1 dr to about 7000 people! - danger signs ahead!!
Abi oo..broda......*IGS?*
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by armadeo(m): 12:10pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

And later they will say naija docs are arrogant for refusing to compare themselves with naija coaches..naija ppl dey make me laff piss for body oh!


Lol

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by sisiafrika(f): 12:14pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

Continue the big grammar that's too big for even your big head to understand...I have come down to your level cos thats what you Nigerians understand & deserve...imbeciles.
cry me a river[email]
drlawizle:

Continue the big grammar that's too big for even your big head to understand...I have come down to your level cos thats what you Nigerians understand & deserve...imbeciles.
cry me a river[/email]
drlawizle:

Continue the big grammar that's too big for even your big head to understand...I have come down to your level cos thats what you Nigerians understand & deserve...imbeciles.
cry me a river
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 12:15pm On Jul 07, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Mr dokita sorry Baba oni'ile iwosan, i'm sorry you are not very intelligent, if you were, you would direct your curses and anger to punch newspaper editors not me. There is a source at the end of the write-up.

Your patients should be pitied.

You should man up to the nonsense you wrote in your last paragraph and not point fingers at Punch cos you accepted whatever they said...you want to trick those that are practising in saner climes to come and embrace the rotten system we are practising here..and you are so gullible to think they will come..pls stick to your labwork and stop spewing trash here.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by biodunid: 12:15pm On Jul 07, 2014
Until they are paid enough and the facilities are decent we all would be taking our lives in our hands each time we visit the hospitals. We have doctors who became accountants because of the money. Can you imagine that happening in the US? Why would a US doctor abandon his very well paid passion for anything else? We even have a lady doctor who became a Nollywood actress. Am not sure Hollywood can boast of such. Going through the grueling training and even more grueling practice only to be paid an amount that can't get you a new car, put your kids in decent schools or get you accommodation in a decent neighbourhood isn't the way we should treat some of our brightest and best people in whose hands the lives of we all lie.

See: How NMA Can Secure Trillions From The Nigerian Governments

https://www.nairaland.com/1799547/how-nma-secure-trillions-nigerian

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/how-nma-can-secure-trillions-from-the-governments.html
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by sisiafrika(f): 12:15pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

And who's the gay...me or the male who calls himself "sisi".. You stink of faggissm...
stop d fantasy, wake up nd get dat male dog in ur compound. Ur free to devour its ass
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by lanrefront1(m): 12:17pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

That temporary measure is born out of that same mental status you are denying..import physicians that know little about the nations health system...I shouldn't even be arguing with you..your own Nah to sha see doctor even if hin no sabi Shingbain about your condition...you think disease condition and their management is universal...go ahead and import...that's how fashola brought in quacks to be doing the job it took a specialist years to perfect and Lagosians were jumping up & praising him....shior....I pity you.

This will happen when doctors push administrators to the wall. What Fashola did was a temporary measure. Are the doctors not back at their jobs nows.

And please what damage was done that it took years to perfect again? Was it damage to the internal organs of patients? So when doctors abandon their posts and people (always) die, that one is not damage, it is the damage the doctors brought that is damage?

I beg, even if we're not doctors, that doesn't mean we are illiterates you can bamboozle with the assumption that you know better.

You see the things the way you want to see them because you are a doctor.

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 12:25pm On Jul 07, 2014
sisiafrika: stop d fantasy, wake up nd get dat male dog in ur compound. Ur free to devour its ass

See how degenerate you are to think up such beastailism...you are a lost cause!! You should be granted mental asylum asap for the sake of those around you!!!
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by yomi007k(m): 12:26pm On Jul 07, 2014
ebosse:
Exactly! Do you ever see soldiers going on strike Nigerian Doctors strike every year!!!!
Soldiers have other means they can use. They can plan a coup or mutiny. Doctors can't. This is 9ja bro,wake up.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Leopantro: 12:27pm On Jul 07, 2014
for those considering importing doctors to work in Nigeria, kindly read the article below.

I went $230,000 into debt to become a doctor

http://?qz.com/67304/i-just-finished-my-87-hour-work-week-and-have-230000-in-medical-school-debt/
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 12:30pm On Jul 07, 2014
lanrefront1:

This will happen when doctors push administrators to the wall. What Fashola did was a temporary measure. Are the doctors not back at their jobs nows.

And please what damage was done that it took years to perfect again? Was it damage to the internal organs of patients? So when doctors abandon their posts and people (always) die, that one is not damage, it is the damage the doctors brought that is damage?

I beg, even if we're not doctors, that doesn't mean we are illiterates you can bamboozle with the assumption that you know better.

You see the things the way you want to see them because you are a doctor.

How is it temporary measures to offer mass sack letters to doctors and bring in inepts to replace them...he had something up his sleeves which didn't turn out well as he planned..
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Yoney007(f): 12:40pm On Jul 07, 2014
ebosse:
That's no excuse. This is a matter of DEATH & LIFE we are talking about here. A doctor should be a person who wants to save lives @ all cause.Unfortunately it is different in Nigeria.. These days when I hear the word Nigerian doctors the first thought that comes in mind is Nigerian Politicians.. I had a lot of friends studying Medicine while I was still in Uni and 99% of them decided to Read medicine because of the Money involved not because they give a shvt about human lifes
.
This is Y ppl die a lot in hospitals these days because Doctors don't put out all they can give y trying to save patients.
I think the only way to seed out the weed in both the political and health sector is actually by reducing (Not increasing) drastically the amount earn by these ppl.Then the ppl who really care will stay on and fight for their course y the mediocres will search for the next highest-earning sector.

Solid points....I agree with you.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by dakillmaster: 1:31pm On Jul 07, 2014
It's always easy for members of the public and press to use emotional blackmail on drs as the need arises...but in the calm before the storm they never seem to intervene to prevent a strike action or write articles on any health matter till the storm hits, afterwards they say drs should 'follow the path of dialogue'..some years back in the UK the bus drivers went on strike on behalf of the drs,that can never occur in this country...everyone is selfish, and of course drs are expected to be saints even to the point of being beaten to a pulp...citizens are yet to understand that good health can never be cheap and are unconcerned because poor regulation makes it possible for everyone to wear a clinical coat and be referred to as a Dr and hence give medical care...drs are in a serious fight for their profession and I don't blame them..the public is so used to the deterioration of all aspects of service in the country,that to them health may join as well..afterall no be naija we dey...I don't blame them...afterall when the grim reaper comes,your first reaction is why..

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by biodunid: 1:41pm On Jul 07, 2014
We have all shouted ourselves hoarse since the 1980s to our masters to no effect. You, the NMA, have even sacrificed collaterally a few thousand lives in an attempt to move the immovable but those lives have been sacrificed in vain as the need for your current strike proves. To avoid being diagnosed as insane using Albert Einstein’s famous paradigm (Insanity = doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results), I ask you to consider thinking outside the box by rousing the voices from the rest of the world. We all know that our masters have the foreign gods that they worship. We know that even the oga patapata dare not respond cavalierly to a query from CNN’s Christine Amanpour much less ignore Michelle Obama or Hilary Clinton’s views. We know he won’t wait to hear from Cameron or Obama before doing the needful in any situation. With that fact established all we need do is bring to the notice of such foreign worthies the plight Nigerians in general and doctors in particular have labored under in the last three decades. How do we go about this?

https://www.nairaland.com/1799547/how-nma-secure-trillions-nigerian
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by MeAboki(m): 3:27pm On Jul 07, 2014
In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.
Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because:
you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field
you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it
you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.
you want house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody.
You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you.
you want to take over control importation of laboratory reagents & equipment - even though there is the laboratory regulatory body (MLSCN) as provided by law
you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.
you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.

And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 3:56pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

You should man up to the nonsense you wrote in your last paragraph and not point fingers at Punch cos you accepted whatever they said...you want to trick those that are practising in saner climes to come and embrace the rotten system we are practising here..and you are so gullible to think they will come..pls stick to your labwork and stop spewing trash here.

Mr wardman, do you really know the meaning of quotes and references?
Are you really a graduate of a medical college?. Be proud to tell us your alma mater so your schoolmates and colleagues can cover their faces in shame.
Throwing around caustic words and showing off your infantile emotional instability can not ruffle anyone here. You are simply drinking poison and expecting another man to die. It's futile

I made known my views about Nigerian/foreign-trained physicians previously and i stand by them. Nobody jumps out with a Nigerian mbbs and then easily jumps into a better standardized system 'because foreign countries are dying to have Nigerian docs' as some of you always want the gullible ones to believe.
Some of your colleagues have admitted that already. A relative of mine is one of those foreign-based physicians, so i'm not ignorant of the issues.

Now if you have any problem with the original post, why don't you channel your puerile effusions to the Punch editors. It is their intellectual product not mine. That's why the source is there. Pick up your pen and write to them.

Trying to wrongly divert anger will leave you opened to getting intellectually humiliated and roughed up by yours truly. I'll leave you here.

Cheers.

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 4:16pm On Jul 07, 2014
Abused the weapon of Strike!! pursue the path of DIALOGUE.. NMA have been pursuing the path of Dialogue for the past 4 years without any improvement but failed promises and ignorance from the Federal Government.. now that they pull out the only weapon they have.. you dare say they have abused it?!! na waooo
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by chucs: 4:41pm On Jul 07, 2014
twoondei: first, i think people should ponder on why thousands of Nigerian doctors troop out yearly to practise elsewhere. the exodus is absolutely unimaginable. ask the average medical student, he wants to leave Nigeria after school because doctors are not well paid here.
a consultant in any medical speciality all over the world would have at least gone through the residency program. this structure is only well established in medicine and surgery. no one will query or question a pharmacist who becomes a consultant after residency. you can't jump there, and that is the point.
doctors are not the only one that troop out,other professionals too . All the drs I knw go there to even study not to work.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 5:16pm On Jul 07, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Mr wardman, do you really know the meaning of quotes and references?
Are you really a graduate of a medical college?. Be proud to tell us your alma mater so your schoolmates and colleagues can cover their faces in shame.
Throwing around caustic words and showing off your infantile emotional instability can not ruffle anyone here. You are simply drinking poison and expecting another man to die. It's futile

I made known my views about Nigerian/foreign-trained physicians,previously and i stand by them. Nobody jumps out with a Nigerian mbbs and then easily jumps into a better standardized system 'because foreign countries are dying to have Nigerian docs' as some of you always want the gullible ones to believe.
Some of your colleagues have admitted that already. A relative of mine is one of those foreign-based physicians, so i'm not ignorant of the issues.

Now if you have any problem with the original post, why don't you channel your puerile effusions to the Punch editors. It is their intellectual product not mine. That's why the source is there. Pick up your pen and write to them.

Trying to wrongly divert anger will leave you opened to getting intellectually humiliated and roughed up by yours truly. I'll leave you here.

Cheers.


Typical "Joe hates u" come here to misinform the public with news that favour them and cleverly ignoring the ones that makes a nonsense of their claims...you should be wise enough to know that whatever you post or quote will be used against you...so next time find other "covert" means of driving home your points and not coming here to mislead the public with some arrant nonsense your colleagues have given editors to help them publish...in the process gaining more sympathizers for your miserable cause..because smart docs like us can see through the veil and tell the world who you all really are....CROOKS!
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by lanrefront1(m): 5:25pm On Jul 07, 2014
MeAboki: In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.
Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because:
you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field
you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it
you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.
you want house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody.
You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you.
you want to take over control importation of laboratory reagents & equipment - even though there is the laboratory regulatory body (MLSCN) as provided by law
you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.
you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.

And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?

My guy, you too much jare; u don sabi them well well

for instance, can doctors be more exposed to Hazards than Laboratory scientist who are the ones that carry out all the tests on body fluids (urine, saliva, excreta, vomit, blood, sperm, vaginal fluid obtained through swapping) whose results will be used for diagnosis by doctors.....

Yet they want to be the only one collecting hazard allowance..... I remember in the late nineties, the Association of Medical Laboratory Scientists had to fight tooth and nail before they could start collecting reasonable hazard allowance because of the stiff opposition from doctors who felt they did not deserve it...

Don't let any doctors come here and deceive you...those guys...... Very vindictive..... Very selfish.... Intact their self-centered-ness get PHD.

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 5:28pm On Jul 07, 2014
drlawizle:

Typical "Joe hates u" come here to misinform the public with news that favour them and cleverly ignoring the ones that makes a nonsense of their claims...you should be wise enough to know that whatever you post or quote will be used against you...so next time find other "covert" means of driving home your points and not coming here to mislead the public with some arrant nonsense your colleagues have given editors to help them publish...in the process gaining more sympathizers for your miserable cause..becos smart docs like us can see through the veil and tell the world who you all really are....CROOKS!

Wardman, instead of fighting the truth, maybe you should listen to what a fellow doc has to say.

https://www.nairaland.com/1802945/doctors-selfish-dr-adewale-owolabi-m.b.b.s
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 5:31pm On Jul 07, 2014
Everyone needs to read this thread. A sane Doctor's point of view. I expect a lot of emotional effusion, backlash and anger from our doctor friends.

https://www.nairaland.com/1802945/doctors-selfish-dr-adewale-owolabi-m.b.b.s
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by lanrefront1(m): 5:40pm On Jul 07, 2014
Dr. Adewale Owolabi is a health expert. In a chat with OMIKO AWA, he bares his mind on the ongoing strike by the Nigerian medical doctors.

Could you say the agitation by the Nigerian medical doctors is for the good of all and better healthcare for the country?

I think in trade dispute you see different unions particularly when government is an employer, acting for either benefit or condition of service review. I don’t think the case of the Nigerian medical doctors is an exemption; it is just that, sometimes, either the frequency or the reason or the process used in getting their grievances or voices heard are where the issues lie and not so much whether they should protest or not. It is not what they are protesting for that really matter, but what channels have they used to get them through and how patient are they, giving the sensitivity and the importance of their role in the society. I think those are the things we need to look at.

Would this strike not cause groups like the pharmacists, laboratory technicians and others associated with medical doctor to also go on strike?

I think the way strike or industrial disputes go in Nigeria is, when one part of the medical group calls it off, the other groups pick it up. When the doctors finish their agitation, the nurses, laboratory workers or the pharmacist will pick up theirs. Sometime instead of working as a team, you see them not flowing in the same direction. I spoke with one of my colleagues in government service about the strike, and he said, sincerely he does not know the reason they are going on strike. He was on his way to meet his medical director that he does not see any reason for the strike and this shows, sometimes, how loose some of the reasons for the strikes are. And looking at some of them, I discovered that a lot of them are really selfish; they are about condition of service, they are about some thing that could be discussed if given enough time to engage the public. For instance, I gathered that they want the structure of the Teaching Hospitals and Federal Medical Centres to be amended, they want the Medical Advisory Chairman to have deputies — four for Teaching Hospitals and three for Federal Medical Centres. They want hazard allowance of a minimum of N100, 000 per month, they want the process of climbing the ladder to level 17, which is the directorship, to be unhindered and by virtue of seniority and whether the person occupying the position is to be addressed as director or not, they want the appointment of the Surgeon General of the Federation. I could remember, 24 years I left Medical School, the issue of Surgeon General was on and I ask myself, if all these conditions are met, will it improve the healthcare of the nation? Will it make the Teaching Hospitals to work better? Will it improve the attitude of the medical team? Will it make the health indices that is abysmal for us as a nation to improve — that is talking about the maternal maternity rate, infant mortality rate, the communicable diseases and other health issues facing the nation. Would it make medical outcome better, would it reduce health tourism to India, a third world country like us, to stop? Would it make Nigeria to be a destination where people can get good medical care? Looking at this, I must say my guess is as good as yours.

I think the doctors are a bit selfish. I look forward to seeing a period when our medical doctors would match out on the streets to say because our mortuaries are smelling, they will not go to work until they put them aright. Go to some hospitals and see the bad state they are and you begin to wonder why don’t the doctors working there to use them as the basis of protest. It is because of this that I say the protest is selfish. It is selfish because we are not doing the right things that should make us get up as a nation.

Are you then saying the strike should be called off?

It takes two to tango, but I am not sure government is listening because any little thing government officials will fly to America or the UK for treatment. And if they are listening, I am not sure they are listening enough. Unfortunately, you don’t hear that a minister is admitted in one Teaching Hospital, except some months back a governor had an accident and was admitted at the National Hospital; that even made the news. So, the people you are talking to are not listening, any little thing they fly, they all have their private doctors and the means to travel abroad, even when we treat malaria better than those doctors they going to meet abroad.

However, all this boils down to the type of government we have as a nation, I think government on its own part is not sensitive to the plight of the people. Government has not done enough; they should have engaged the doctors to make sure this does not happen. Also, the doctors should have engaged the public, give enough warning to sensitise the public about their actions. It is like the Police Force or the Armed Forces going on strike. The medical profession is a sensitive profession that you should not allow for a break in their services. I don’t think the government and the doctors have shown enough maturity on the strike; there are egos flying here and there and I don’t know if these doctors even use the public hospitals or if they too fly abroad.

What does this strike portend for the nation and lives of the people?

My colleagues should go back to work, public opinion is not in our favour; in fact, the public does not see us as people that protect lives or have value for lives. They do not see doctors contributing to their well being anymore, they see us as people they need to go to because they have no choice. I am appealing we go back to work and engage the government more constructively; we should go to the public domain and elicit a debate. I don’t think a teacher earning N40,000 per month would be excited by the fight of the doctors for N100,000 hazard allowance, I am not saying the work doctors do are not hazardous; in fact, every work we do has some measure of hazards built in them, so everybody wants hazard allowance. I tell you if doctors are answered based on this, those who handle blood in the lab, the radiographers, nurses who dress wounds, even cleaners in the hospital will demand for hazard allowance. Doctors should go back to work and look for a health system that would restore the dignity of man, a system that would increase research, treat the vulnerable people and think less of what goes into our individual pockets.


We should rather engage government on the health bill that has been dancing in the house; it should be passed into law so that we can go back to primary healthcare to ensure we prevent diseases. The health bill is in fact a wholesome package that would bring to end some of the things agitated for by the Nigerian doctors. To show you how insensitive government is to the plight of the people, they are not talking about it, don’t be surprised that while the strike lasts political campaigns would be going on. If this were the United State or UK you will see the President or Prime Minister immediately addressing the public, because they feel the pulse of the people. Government needs to be proactive because if you don’t value life as a nation, you can’t enhance life.

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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by armadeo(m): 6:40pm On Jul 07, 2014
MeAboki: In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.
Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because:
you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field
you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it
you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.
yout house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody. wan
You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you.
you want to take over control importation of laboratory reagents & equipment - even though there is the laboratory regulatory body (MLSCN) as provided by law
you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.
you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.

And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?



many johesuites have been shouting google is your friend apparently he is your enemy or you cant spell.
lets take your post from the top


In a house of 10, when only 1 is against the rest then something fishy must be going on, because all other 9 cannot be wrong.

this smacks of ignorance so lets ignore it.


Doctors greed and selfishness against other health workers is the cause of this wahala.
Imagine going on strike because


maybe its the other way round but am sure you don't get it.


you don't want others to graduate as consultants - even though anyone can become consultant in his own field

others to graduate as consultants pray tell me who a consultant is?

IMO

A consultant is a fellow who has attained one or both fellowships in the post graduate medical college following resdincy training.
now this individual has two options on completion of training if available
1, retained as a specialist by the govt in a teaching or gen hospital
2, setting out as a private practitioner.

now thw term consultant as regards HOSPITAL practice is a fellow who has specialized in an aspect of medicine and sees patients who have a problem in that field ( *** note the term hospital setting)

by and large there are many other consultants in varying fields due to requirements of their specialization.

answer me this

1. What benefits do the JOHESU members want to bring as CONSULTANTS to the health sector that they aren't doing now.
2. If the term will improve patient benefit what have they been doing ever since?
3. how many allied health fields have fellowships that are structured ( don't say university structure but again HOSPITAL BASED)

Finally nobody "graduates" as a consultant.


you don't others to be promoted to directors - even though the law entitles them to it


this one baffles me do you think only allied health workers are the one who get to the civil service grade of director? again in the hospital seting will this serve as an improvement?


you don't want others to skip GL 11 - even though the law entitles them to it like other civil servants.


In this case as long as relativity is maintained I really dont care ( IMO).


yout house officers & resident doctors to be paid teaching allowances - even though they are students & not teaching anybody.

Again ignorance have you researched if your statement is true.


You want to be given the highest Hazard allowance - even though there are others more exposed to hazards than you


my take on hazard allowance, i feel everyone who is exposed to any form of health hazard should be entitled to this.


you want to head departments or organisations of other health professionals - e.g. NAFDAC even though they are not meant for you.


honestly i was pretty dumb founded when i discovered that the Dg of nafdac was a Dr, I only found out some days ago on a similar discussion on NMA JOHESU issue.

i however searched on the requirements for the Dg of nafdac and discovered that the position isnt just for pharmacists. thats a law guiding the agency. also the said Dr has an amazing CV. a Doctorate in neuropsychopharmacology and a qualified lawyer. so


you do not want other professionals to head hospitals or become minister for health - even though these positions are essentially and purely administrative/political.


this still boils down to who heads the medical team professionally or politically!!


And the list goes on.....haba doctors, na una only be ppl?[/quote]


list further pls.............and we aren't the only ones we just find ourselves where we are. grin



Your honor i submit to cross examination from opposing counsel.

Thank you.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by armadeo(m): 6:41pm On Jul 07, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Mr wardman, do you really know the meaning of quotes and references?
Are you really a graduate of a medical college?. Be proud to tell us your alma mater so your schoolmates and colleagues can cover their faces in shame.
Throwing around caustic words and showing off your infantile emotional instability can not ruffle anyone here. You are simply drinking poison and expecting another man to die. It's futile

I made known my views about Nigerian/foreign-trained physicians previously and i stand by them. Nobody jumps out with a Nigerian mbbs and then easily jumps into a better standardized system 'because foreign countries are dying to have Nigerian docs' as some of you always want the gullible ones to believe.
Some of your colleagues have admitted that already. A relative of mine is one of those foreign-based physicians, so i'm not ignorant of the issues.

Now if you have any problem with the original post, why don't you channel your puerile effusions to the Punch editors. It is their intellectual product not mine. That's why the source is there. Pick up your pen and write to them.

Trying to wrongly divert anger will leave you opened to getting intellectually humiliated and roughed up by yours truly. I'll leave you here.

Cheers.




I knew i would find you on a Dr bashing thread. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by bunmit(m): 6:42pm On Jul 07, 2014
Not being unreasonable, but i think dis doctors own r becoming too much, dey ve turn demself into gods due to d nature of there job
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by armadeo(m): 6:57pm On Jul 07, 2014
bunmit: Not being unreasonable, but i think dis doctors own r becoming too much, dey ve turn demself into gods due to d nature of there job

nobody is feeling like a god, to be a health worker you need at least an iota of human empathy.


While i understand the plight of the patient i still feel that my own plight isn't understood, despite the opinion that many individuals become doctors due to the remuneration i can assure you that for a large majority that isn't the case.

while i was a student i didn't even know how much a house officer earned till i was in final year and had some of my friends who wefre ahead doing house job, can you now say finance was my motivation,

the most important thing for many doctors is job satisfaction. those who are interested in the remuneration of doctors know themselves that is why they are trying to get what they haven't earned.
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 6:59pm On Jul 07, 2014
armadeo:



I knew i would find you on a Dr bashing thread. grin grin grin grin grin

I'm not bashing physicians, we are only helping the public understand the issues and have a balanced view. It's very important to ensure that no group is gagged while the other enjoys media-monopoly.

I just discovered that your 'doctor colleague' 'drlawzle' has a thing or two to learn about quotations and references. He's making people question what's up there in his skull. You hold any brief for him?
I mean he can't complain of being tired or stressed up, he's been on strike(if he really is a doc) for somedays and should be fresh and alert. I'm disappointed really.

By the way, i caught you peeping on the dr adewale thread, i'm expecting your thoughts there.

Cheers
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jul 07, 2014
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Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by Stoical: 7:52pm On Jul 07, 2014
Akadile: It's obvious the writer is biased. STRIKE IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT UNDERSTANDS. At least, the writer accepts that Government is notorious for not honoring agreements. So, how will one get them to listen? People always quote the Hippocratic oath against Doctors but I tell you that if when that oath was written, that Drs knew that their wages will be owed, that the privileges accorded to only Dr then will later be accorded to other non -Drsby a visionless govt like ours, then there must have been a provisor or an escape clause. ASUU was on strike for 6 months in order to get the govt to listen & no one is talking about it. Drs go on strike after ultimatums, warning strike etc & people are blaming Drs. Maybe the writer should tell us how to get the govt to listen; maybe by witchcraft. I pity the public bc they don't understand the gravity of the situation, bc if they do, they should rise up against the govt. This act of govt is making merit pave way for mediocrity & remember that they don't seek healthcare inside Nigeria. So if the health sector is filled with titled mediocres, I wonder who suffers. Most commenters on this strike Though not all HATE Drs & that is why you will see many insensitive comments against Drs. Remember Drs have families, have responsibilities like every other Nigerian living in this harsh environment.

I rest my case


I smiled @titled mediocres .... Was rather hoping you will be more unbiased viewing that you began your comment with calling the OP biased... Well, it explains your personality! #stillsmiling
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by armadeo(m): 8:04pm On Jul 07, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

I'm not bashing physicians, we are only helping the public understand the issues and have a balanced view. It's very important to ensure that no group is gagged while the other enjoys media-monopoly.

I just discovered that your 'doctor colleague' 'drlawzle' has a thing or two to learn about quotations and references. He's making people question what's up there in his skull. You hold any brief for him?
I mean he can't complain of being tired or stressed up, he's been on strike(if he really is a doc) for somedays and should be fresh and alert. I'm disappointed really.

By the way, i caught you peeping on the dr adewale thread, i'm expecting your thoughts there.

Cheers


i would post my thoughts on that thread am currently on mobile grin grin grin
Re: PUNCH Editorial: Nigerian Doctors Have Abused Strike Weapon by double0seven(m): 8:12pm On Jul 07, 2014
@armedo

What do you mean by allied health workers. This is a term coined by Nigerian doctors. They are a vital part of the health sector,; therefore they are health workers.
Its either you are in the health sector or you ate not. So physiotherapist is not in the health sector. A medical laboratory scientist is not in the health sector but only connected or allied to it. Also a pharmacist.

You guys are pathetic. Going by your submission, the only people in the health sector are doctors and dentist..... abi?

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