sogodihno: In a letter dated 12th June and published on Thursday, Guardian of June 19th 2014 Medical And Dental Consultants’Association of Nigeria through their principal solicitor and counsel, Jitti Ogunnye, Esq., had written a letter to the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, GCFR, and had raised a lot of issues . She wrote “ we wish to draw the attention of Your Excellency to the “agreement” said to have been reached at ameeting that was held in Abuja, FCT between the Joint HealthSector Unions(JOHESU) and Assembly of Healthcare Professional Associations(AHPA), with the Secretary to the Government of the Federation (SGF),Senator Anyim Pius Anyim, GCON, Honourable Minister of Labour and Productivity, Honourable Minister of Health, Chairman, Salaries, Income and Wages Commission, Head of the Service of the Federation, and other Top Government Functionaries on the 5th of June 2014.Three of these agreements are of concern to our clients since they have grave implications for the management and survival of the Health Sector in Nigeria”.In the said letter MDCAN raised issues she wants the Government to address, for she has put the Government on notice that she will fully comply with and enhance any directive(including embarking on strike action or withdrawal of services) that the NMA may wish to issue at the expiration of the ultimatum. That MDCAN is constrained to tow this line,in spite of her usual traditional moderation whenever there are strikes in the hospital. The consequence is that no medical and dental consultant shall be available to render service in all our Teaching Hospitals, nationwide, in the eventof such a strike action.MDCANS’ GROUSE(1) MDCAN is opposed to the appointment of other Medical Personnel as Consultant.MDCAN is opposed to the circular no MH/PM/138/VOL.111/79 of 16th may, 2014 that restored consultancy status to other Healthcare Professionals and approving the payment ofspecialist allowance to other Healthcare Professionals.(2) MDCAN is against Government position to have accepted JOHESU/AHPA’s position and demand that the illegal office of the DCMAC be abolished.(3) MDCAN is opposed to Government’s agreement with JOHESU to refer a number of issues to Yayale Ahmed committee. These issues include the review of the process ofappointment of Chief Medical Directors and Medical Directors of Teaching Hospitals and the agitation of JOHESU/AHPA that appointment of Chief Medical Directors and Medical Directors be made from permanent staff of Teaching Hospitals rather than from the Universities. And theGovernment will to look into the lopsidedness of advertorial for appointment of CMDs/MDs which is skewed in favour of Medical and Dental Practitioners and the agitation of JOHESU/AHPA that the appointment process be made open to all “competent and qualified health professionals”; the AbdullahiBello Presidential committee report on harmony in the HealthSector; and the interpretation on who is “medically qualified”As a result of the issues stated above MDCAN has called on the Government to rescind her decision. And if the Government does not, MDCAN will join NMA in the forth coming industrial action in which NMA has given the Government a 14 days ultimatum. At this juncture one is poised to ask are the reasons given by MDCAN to justify her claims and to down tools cogent? Let us go through her reasons.(a) Appointment of other Healthcare Professionals as Consultants.According to MDCAN appointing a Pharmacist, Physiotherapist, Nurse, Medical Laboratory Scientist, etc as consultants in their chosen field are an aberration and an oddity. MDCAN had written “designating or appointing Nurses, Pharmacist or Physiotherapist or Laboratory Technicians ‘Consultants’ in the Health Sector is, therefore, an aberration, and a pervasion of order of care in the Health Sector. Under this order of care, there is no rule that can accommodate this designation or appointment of non-medical doctors as Consultants, even if some managers of Public Hospitals in Nigeria want to invent the absurdity. In the medical profession, Nurse, Pharmacists, Physiotherapists are not trained to make diagnosis and prescribe treatment’. MDCAN went further to write ‘Your Excellency, the oddity and aberration of this agreement by theFederal Government of Nigeria and JOHESU and AHPA on extension of Consultancy Statuses to all Health Professionals is not only that it is professionally and administratively perverse. It is also a legal absurdity.”(b) The Government of Nigeria was in error to obey Court Judgment/concede to JOHESU to have restored Consultant Status to other Health Professionals without consulting MDCAN. MDCAN wrote through their lawyer “Your Excellency, our client vehemently disagree with the reported agreements. As our client has consistently maintained, they are an Association of Medical and Dental Consultants, who, exclusive of other Professionals in the Health Sector, are known and addressed as “Consultants”. Negotiating and agreeing with non- medical and dental practitioners in the health sector, and designating them “Consultants”, such that there will now be multiplicity of Consultants in the Teaching Hospitals, is not acceptable; and even if it were, this cannot be done in the absence of Association of Medical Practitioners.(NMA, MDCAN, etcetera)(c ) MDCAN is of the opinion that the NIC Judgement in favour of JOHESU was in error.She wrote “following the determination of suit no. NICN/ABJ/238/2012 (the Trade Union members of the Joint Health Sector Unions (JOHESU),namely1) Medical and Health Workers Union of Nigeria;(2)National Association of Nigeria Nurses and Midwifes;(3)Senior Staff Association of Universities Teaching Hospital, Research Institutes and Associated Institutions;(4)Nigerian Union of Pharmacists, Medical Technologists and Professions Allied to Medicine;(5)Non Academic Staff Union of Educational and Associated Institutions vs Federal Ministry of Health) on Monday, the 22nd day of July,2013 by Hon B.A Adejumo (Presiding Judge),Hon. Justice B.B Kanyip and Justice M.N. Esowe, wherein the National Industrial Court held that a few non-medical and dental practitioners aberrantly appointed asConsultants in University College Hospital, Ibadan should continue to enjoy that status, the Federal Ministry of Health (that is the Federal Government of Nigeria) appealed that decision, and our client, MDCAN also approached the National Industrial Court with an application to set aside the judgment. The appeal and application are pending in courts.(D) That the action of the Government to obey Court Judgment amounts to contempt.MDCAN through their lawyer wrote “the so called agreement on the extension of consultancy status to all Health Professional and thus purported issuance of a circular to thateffect is contemptuous of the courts. It undermines and subverts the majesty, dignity, and integrity of the courts; it is illegal and it is an affront on the rule of law.”(E) MDCAN rejects the abolishment of the office of DCMACMDCAN wrote through her lawyer “Your Excellency, our clientalso rejects the agreement to abolish the post of Deputy Chairman Medical Advisory Committee (DCMAC).Our client’s position is that the creation of the post, which has been in our Teaching Hospitals for more than twenty years, is within the administrative powers and competence of the Governing Boards of the Teaching Hospitals as defined in their respective Governing statutes establishing them. This position, which facilitates smooth management of the Teaching Hospitals, cannot be scrapped because of the whims and caprices of non-medical doctors, on the flimsy ground that they are excluded from consideration in filling of that position. For the avoidance of any doubt, it is instructive that the University Teaching Hospitals (Reconstruction of Boards, etc) Act, CAPU15, VOL 15, Laws of the Federation of Nigeria, 2004 ,provides in section 7(4) (Function of the Board)that “Subject to the this Act, the Board shall have powers to do anything ,which, in its opinion, is calculated to facilitates the carrying out of its functions under this act “.(F) MDCAN is opp

“In the medical profession, Nurse, Pharmacists, Physiotherapists are not trained to make diagnosis and prescribe
treatment”
Haba dis people can lie o! Who told u dat physiotherapist are not trained to diagnose and prescribe treatment. Dis is how dis people go about misinforming nigerians.

VantagePoint:
A consultant physiotherapist.
Are physiotherapists also fighting for this?
The last time I had a relative in UCH, I knew of the existence of consultant physiotherapists (I stand to be corrected).

Well tank God u hav said it urself cos most other hospitals hav refused to recognize qualified physiotherapist as consultants. Dat is nigeria 4 u

VantagePoint:
Are you saying sheer numbers should dictate who gets what?
I may not know a lot about the medical system, but I have always wondered what the point of JOHESU is?
How can a myriad of different healthcare professionals (pharmacists, nurses, medical laboratory scientists, etc) form an umbrella group separate from another set of healthcare professionals (doctors) ?
why don't they have their own individual professional or industrial bodies?
Are we trying to say these bodies (apart from doctors) don't have internal squabbles just like JOHESU and NMA?
I believe no set of healthcare professionals is indispensable.
I also see both sides as selfish, because they're forgetting the primary reason for their profession-the patients.

Actually in other sane climes every member of the health profession goes to the govt as a body and are all registered on a single salary structure( even though there may be disparities of salaries). Every health professional in the UK is registered on the UK NHS system.

Now our 'demi-god' physicians decided to set themselves apart from other members, going cup in hand to the govt, negotiating and 'bringing home goodies' only for themselves. The other 'dregs' can go to hell.

Those marginalized 'dregs' rallied around, formed a strong union and decided to go ask for what belongs to them since our 'demi-gods' who are supposed to be 'leaders' didn't care about the 'subject and dregs'.
Now, Why should our demi-gods' complain if a rejected child or 'dregs' have refused to reject himself.

This is the best illustration of the precursors of the present anomalies within the health sector. It didn't start today, though Nigerians woke up to it today.

Can you kindly enlighten us please? Seems many of us can't understand what this is all about.

armadeo:

Please try and be at least enlightened on issues before commenting.

^^^^^^^^

Thank you jare

Dont allow those guys misinform Nairalanders. Doctors a long time ago separated themselves from the rest of heath professionals in the heath sector. They asl things for themslves and progressed themslevses a lot. To make matters worse, they also worked vehemently against the ptogress of every other professional in the sector.

This what led to other professionals forming one united body to fight for their own rights.

I ask again, if in sane climes like Uk, US etc from where westerm medcine came to us, pharmacist, nurses, Medical Labaratory Scientists can become consultants, why should it be an abomination in Nigeria because doctors says so.

if the doctors have any concern at all, it should be about establishing the proper modalities or requirements before any of these professionals can become a conssultant.

PerfectFortune: It is only in Nigeria that the Drs want to head all aspects of the medical profession but want to remainunprofessional, arrogant and complete chEats.

They want All nurses to have Bsc cos that is the minimum in the USA currently (without a pay rise and when they get there Phd they should not be addressed as Drs of Nursing and when they become Profs should still not be consultants) . Pharm D should not be approved (as it is currently in the USA) cos it will give the Pharmacists the privilege of being addressed as Drs which will inturn lead to them becoming a consultant and as such can head a medical institution which is d practise in the USA currently.

They are less concerned about the patients, self centered, arrogant and completely undertrained (unprofessional) harbalists are better than some of them but want to remain at the top.

Na wa o

who offend you?

So, if i am a professor in the field of pharmacy,i.can not become a consultant? Why should doctors be dictating for other health professionals, it's unfair.

FG sell all the hospitals like you did to NEPA. The patients should be the focus of the Unions. I wonder if it is a private firm who hired them would they drag feet? Everybody wan claim oga

DoctorTim: If they like they should go to the Hague, the doctors will get what they want for the good of the patients, the doctors and the whole health care system in Nigeria.

can you achieve this, leaving them behind?

Ego clash !



What is the global best practice?

FDenigma:

I politely disagree. JOHESU is a recent amalgamation of strange bedfellows whose only uniting bond is an inferiority complex directed at doctors.

Even within their ranks, they still tussle over who is "superior" (pharmacist better than Physio better than nurse, etc) as if that is what matters.

Most doctors didn't even know the union existed until they went on strike and locked up medical records and instruments. When doctors heard their absurd demands, they laughed...until FG approved all of them.

Unfortunately, as "underdogs", they seem to have public sympathy but let's call a spade a spade without emotions or "beef".

Yes because the public views this as an 'internal' matter that should be sorted out within the medical community rather than letting out all the dirty linen to offend our noses. What irks people the most is that the much respected doctors are seen in a rofu rofu, shirt tearing, mudslinging fight with their supposed houseboys and housegirls. The question now is how much lower can these guys get. Haba.

adeoladrg: Don't mind the eediots! Greedy bastards.

Lol

So who's next. Association of Sergeants versus Association of Brigadier Generals, motor boys versus drivers, carpenters versus architects, stewardess versus pilots, court clerk versus judges, waiters versus chefs, Osaze versus Keshi, P.A. versus Governor.......abeg I don tire, add ya own.

tuoyoojo: Let them go to court or whereeva dey want to go to. By God's Grace, doctors wud get what they are seeking for, let's watch and see if d hospitals wud not be able to run without johesu (because most probably they wud go on strike too). Afterall, doctors hav being doing part of their job even when they where around.

Fight neva start well, dem don dey shout!

Sh*t is about to get real

Previously I used to complain when these lazy elements go on strike cos I don't like doing their work but if they misbehavior this time around....I will be part of those that will willingly and gladly do their work for them...bunch of lazy ingrates...

YourHealthlabs: Nigerians brace up, 80% of professionals and workers in the health sector will soon withdraw their services.

I'm sorry the other 20% (who are currently asking for heaven and earth) won't be able to meet your demands no matter how hard they try.

Thank you.

Don't be so sure of yourself...at least the whole country has seen the miracles y'all can do without us...y not let them also see what we can do without y'all...then you can make your conclusion...

hamedade2000: Angry souls everywia! Nobody made u fail jamb or probably dashed ur ambition of been a medical doctor! Don't spend too much energy bin angry on what u cannot change. HYPERTENSION IS A SILENT KILLER! Don't stress urself. My 1kobo advise to u bro ;DAngry souls everywia! Nobody made u fail jamb or probably dashed ur ambition of been a medical doctor! Don't spend too much energy bin angry on what u cannot change. HYPERTENSION IS A SILENT KILLER! Don't stress urself. My 1kobo advise to u bro

i dont know who you are, but do u actually believed that everyone wanted to read medicine from the onset? no! i am tired of giving enlightments to ur likes on this forum, can anybody who failed jamb still go ahead and study pharmacy,nursing,physiotherapy in the university? in my school if u picked medicine andd u missed the cut off point by a single mark u'll only be lucky to get microbiology or better still agric. so stop thinking that anybody who is a pharmacist is so cos he couldn't get into the medical school.

otokx: Government is to blame for not being firm. UK have their standards, US has its own, Russia and China have theirs but Nigeria is just copy, copy. Let us develop ours that suits our environment and enables us make progress.

Hnd should never equal BSc and that is a standard. Even in JAMB its 180 university and 150 polytechnics. O levels for university is 5 credits polytechnic 3 so how can they ask for parity?

Honestly I can't blame the populace...its the govt I blame for double standards...the populace will only follow their steps..

drlawizle:

Don't be so sure of yourself...at least the whole country has seen the miracles y'all can do without us...y not let them also see what we can do without y'all...then you can make your conclusion...

They've already seen it during the last JOHESU strike. Hit google.

cosmatika: JOHESU is synonymous wit inferiority complex.
Their problem is like the story of a monkey who
shaved his beards, rubbed Powder & carried his
oga car to go and look for a gal, cos he wnts to
be lyk his master

Once again I say leave them to continue embarrassing themselves to the world..."pikin wey say him mama no go sleep..him sef go do night vigil"

drlawizle:

Previously I used to complain when these lazy elements go on strike cos I don't like doing their work but if they misbehavior this time around....I will be part of those that will willingly and gladly do their work for them...bunch of lazy ingrates...

it so obvious you other professionals in the health sectors as a waste of space.....those NMA as department for brainwasing/indoctrnating doctors just coming out of medical

i know they do...though it may not be formal class, biut they definitely do....in UNILAG they start indcotrinating about their superiorty and every other profesional's inferiority right from when they cross over from LAG to MEDILAG....

...I ma not joking....this is very true....in fact I have witnessed situation in MEDILAG where the Medical labaratory Sciencetists refuse to take medicine students on their classes becasue of their disrespect to the staff.....

.....it went on for a long while.....it was an impasse that had to be settled by hospital Administration

Govt shld sit wt both parties and take a firm decision which they must abide wt or else shown d exit door. The idea of meeting them separately has futher fueled d crisis.

Same corrupt leaders making firm decision impossible. Everything is wrong with my country from leaders to d least follower.

I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

The battle for superiority is not going to help the Health Sector. Doctors see themselves as superiors,and sometimes out of selfishness despise the other medical and health professionals. They allow pride and selfishness to make them forget that the Health Service System is all about team work and dependence on one another. They cannot claim monopoly of knowledge because they administer treatment on patients. Nigerians should be ready for more debilitating industrial actions if this impasse is not resolved immediately. Other medical and health workers were running the various health facilities and hospitals while the Doctors were on strike. Only major surgeries were not performed since the Law does not permit it. Let harmony and cordiality be entrenched in the Health System to enhance service delivery. Let the Practitioners in the Sector uphold the ethics of their various fields,which all aim at saving human lives by engaging in the best professional practices. Embarking on strikes always does not help,especially when such strikes are driven by selfish interests and not public interests. Doctors must stop going against the interests of the other medical and health professionals in the interest of harmony and service delivery.

Tconphils: I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

Really...................And u assume your profession is as old as cave men. Appreciate history for once cos something must be said of how medical practice started and you shouldn't cling with the past, brace up with modern world.

Tconphils: I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

I have never read a load so full self-righteous post on Nairaland like the one i just read above. Are you drunk, a Doctor can do the work of phsiotherapist and Medical Labaratory Scientist and that of Pharmacists. Do you know the work of these professionals extends beyond the confines of an hospital.

in the curriculum of medcine, it is Global best parctice world wide that there be exposed to every arear that has to do with human heath and physiology. That dosent mean they are expert in those arears.

When i said the NMA indoctrinates medical students to beleiev they are superior and to look down at other professionals in the health sector, you guys thought i was joking. or how do you expalin the above post, and you know, the sincerely absolotely beleieves he is right and he is amking sense.

they cant even see the truth anymore.

Just check this out "but we chose to employ the services of Nurses and others to lighten our burden"......

So you pay the salaries of other professionals now.....when i say these people are so arrogant, I hope people will beleiev me now.

lanrefront1:

it so obvious you other professionals in the health sectors as a waste of space.....those NMA as department for brainwasing/indoctrnating doctors just coming out of medical

i know they do...though it may not be formal class, biut they definitely do....in UNILAG they start indcotrinating about their superiorty and every other profesional's inferiority right from when they cross over from LAG to MEDILAG....

...I ma not joking....this is very true....in fact I have witnessed situation in MEDILAG where the Medical labaratory Sciencetists refuse to take medicine students on their classes becasue of their disrespect to the staff.....

.....it went on for a long while.....it was an impasse that had to be settled by hospital Administration

Yes! some medical students are arrogant and proud. Fact is some group of people also feel intimidated by them. That's why they are treated with contempt by some medical wannabes

Tconphils: I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

If that's the case, instead of training other health allied professionals all they need do is train more doctors, i mean more doctors that can handle the entire teeming populace. so only doctors would be found in the hospitals, Then this rivalry wouldn't have happened in the first place

YourHealthlabs:

Actually in other sane climes every member of the health profession goes to the govt as a body and are all registered on a single salary structure( even though there may be disparities of salaries). Every health professional in the UK is registered on the UK NHS system.

Now our 'demi-god' physicians decided to set themselves apart from other members, going cup in hand to the govt, negotiating and 'bringing home goodies' only for themselves. The other 'dregs' can go to hell.

Those marginalized 'dregs' rallied around, formed a strong union and decided to go ask for what belongs to them since our 'demi-gods' who are supposed to be 'leaders' didn't care about the 'subject and dregs'.
Now, Why should our demi-gods' complain if a rejected child or 'dregs' have refused to reject himself.

This is the best illustration of the precursors of the present anomalies within the health sector. It didn't start today, though Nigerians woke up to it today.

...dregs indeed!
Mention a hospital in the united states where the CEO is a physiotherapist or a lab scientist?

YourHealthlabs:

They've already seen it during the last JOHESU strike. Hit google.

Ideally Johessu strike can't stop doctors from working but u people mischeiviously will lock up the wards and the lab, why DAT, wen it is not ur fathers property, is that not too bad, hospital heads should make sure the lab is opened and the clinics and wards open, don't lock anywhere, we'll sort out the rest

Oduduwaboy:
...dregs indeed!
Mention a hospital in the united states where the CEO is a physiotherapist or a lab scientist?

Few days ago on NL, someone gave us a link about a porter that rose to become a CEO of a hospital in the U.S, you pretended to be blind.
It is established that many hospitals in the U.S are not headed by docs.

Clinical skills are not the same with administrative skills. Please, concentrate on treating patients, that's what you are trained for.

lanrefront1:

it so obvious you other professionals in the health sectors as a waste of space.....those NMA as department for brainwasing/indoctrnating doctors just coming out of medical

i know they do...though it may not be formal class, biut they definitely do....in UNILAG they start indcotrinating about their superiorty and every other profesional's inferiority right from when they cross over from LAG to MEDILAG....

...I ma not joking....this is very true....in fact I have witnessed situation in MEDILAG where the Medical labaratory Sciencetists refuse to take medicine students on their classes becasue of their disrespect to the staff.....

.....it went on for a long while.....it was an impasse that had to be settled by hospital Administration

We are your future leaders it is only the right thing for them to do...and be not deceived I myself am teaching my younger colleagues this leadership instincts to prevent the likes of you from sabotaging the health structure...tell me about how the matrons indoctrinate their nursing students in school of nursing on how to antagonize med students and doctors, saying they are equal to doctors that there's nothing docs know that the nurses don't know, that nurses even know more than most docs...tell me about how nursing students will abandon their books and start reading medical textbooks just to proof to the doctors that they are our equals....reeks of deep-seated complex issues...most of y'all need to seek Psychiatrist attention asap to fix your esteem issues..

Tconphils: I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

Do these people tink everybody dt is doing pharmacy,nursing and physiotherapy first apply for medicine or intentionally want to go for medicine? in OAU if u dont beat d cut off of medicine, even if u beat dt of pharmacy u cant enter, because u didnt choose pharmacy.

Medicine was reserved for the best brains?
In OAU 2011/2012 PD, d highest score was 91. and dz boy dt got dz score chose pharmacy and cut off for medicine den was 82, like wise some of my friend wth scores like 83, 84 etc dt chose pharmacy.
u said 'best brains' make me remember a guy we called best brain, and u know wat? dz guy is in pharmacy not medicine. 60% of students in OAU bliv dt OAU PHARMACY is tougher than OAU MEDICINE; and dt's d truth.
Dz country na wa o, because u A a doctor u tink u A more intelligent than everybody else. Dia A some of my friend currently in Medicine dt score as low as 220,240 wen d cut off was 295. Dis A d best brains too? u call urself d head and u A preventing other part of d body from growing. let's see if d head will survive too.

LASTLY, All we A doing in dz country, let's all know that diaris God o