jideolubiyi: How come unbelievers are most of the wealthiest persons on earth?

any takers for this one?

jideolubiyi: : How come unbelievers are most of the wealthiest persons on earth?

tpia5: any takers for this one?

Because the the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit

that's true, however, the question remains unanswered.

Eccelesiates 9 v11 Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge, but time and chance happen to them all. (ESV)

Still not the answer.


No stand alone bible quotations please.

Interpret what you are quoting and apply it to the question so we can understand your response and opinion.

LordReed: Eccelesiates 9 v11 Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to those with knowledge, but time and chance happen to them all. (ESV)

God makes his rain fall on all, there are no favourites when it comes to opportunities to succeed.

Another thing to consider is that unbelievers are not hindered by notions of Christian morality. They make their ethics as they go so today what was bad yesterday can be good and vice versa.

Because we "infidels" don't wait for "god"

We don't waste valuable time we use to brainstorm to" bind and cast" "agents of Satan"

We invest the money we have into other profitable ventures, we don't give it to private-jet-owning, pastorpreneurs as "tithe"

Also, we are the biggest givers.

Apatheist: Because we "infidels" don't wait for "god"

We don't waste valuable time we use to brainstorm to" bind and cast" "agents of Satan"

We invest the money we have into other profitable ventures, we don't give it to private-jet-owning, pastorpreneurs as "tithe"

Also, we are the biggest givers.

Another way to state my second point.

LordReed:

God makes his rain fall on all, there are no favourites when it comes to opportunities to succeed.

Another thing to consider is that unbelievers are not hindered by notions of Christian morality. They make their ethics as they go so today what was bad yesterday can be good and vice versa.

Ok.

Food for thought.

tpia5:


any takers for this one?

there is different between gift and blessing, sin can stop your blessing but sin cannot take away your gift. Take for example the story of samson he has the gift of strength, even when he furnicat[sleep with her] with daililah ,his strength was still there,until he disobey God command, but after that the strength come back to him, so my good friend, sin cannot take away your gift.

Richness is a gift to mankind, our [born again] treasure is in heaven JESUS SAID LAY NOT FOR YOURSELF TREASURE WERE THIVES CAN BROKE IN, BUT LAY IT IN HEAVEN.

Thank you.

tpia5: there is somtin you should know.

When God said, I will bless you in riches, riches may be favour,happiness,faith etc.If you want to know how God want us to live our life, look at the life of adam and eve at the time they haven't disobey God, they are not rich but God give them everything they could ever wish for.

I'v struggle so much in this life, i'v come to the conclusion that money don't count in the plans of God, jesus said, do not worry for what you will eat tomorrow , the night I encounter jesus christ, I make this statement, "Lord if money will sepperat me from you, please Lord, I don't want to be rich .
Thank you, remain bless.

malvisguy212: tpia5: there is somtin you should know.

When God said, I will bless you in riches, riches may be favour,happiness,faith etc.If you want to know how God want us to live our life, look at the life of adam and eve at the time they haven't disobey God, they are not rich but God give them everything they could ever wish for.

I'v struggle so much in this life, i'v come to the conclusion that money don't count in the plans of God, jesus said, do not worry for what you will eat tomorrow , the night I encounter jesus christ, I make this statement, "Lord if money will sepperat me from you, please Lord, I don't want to be rich .
Thank you, remain bless.

Stop blaming god for your laziness.
Broke ass nigga, maybe if you stopped trolling, your life would be better.

Apatheist:
Stop blaming god for your laziness.
Broke ass nigga, maybe if you stopped trolling, your life would be better.

THY LORD REBUKE THEE, SATAN.

malvisguy212: THY LORD REBUKE THEE, SATAN.

Tell your god to suck my dick.

malvisguy212: THY LORD REBUKE THEE, SATAN.

thought of an averag xtian dat feels defeated

^^^were do this guys come from?

malvisguy212: ^^^were do this guys come from?

lazy bone

torchwave: Tpia, there are a number of reasons for that.

in the first place, unbelievers and believers have equal opportunities to wealth, fame and status. However, unbelievers seem to have exclusive access to these pleasures of life while believers are denied them.

There is no rocket science explanation to that fact...a mere observation will provide the answers.

You should know that religious beliefs play a fundamental role in determining people's attitude to the things of life such as wealth, career, marriage, association, etc etc...

There are avenues of wealth explored by unbelievers that are considered morally unsuitable by believers. Unbelievers capitalise on these get-rich-quick schemes because they have no moral restraint or values which keep believers from toeing the same path to wealth. A few examples include drug trafficking, local and international advance fee fraud, money laundering, bribery, kidnap and ransom, extortion, embezzlement, prostitution, human trafficking, robbery, contract assassination, romance scam, featuring in pornographic movies or mags, etc. While unbelievers, unrestrained by any notion of morality or dignity, are willing to get their hands soiled to get rich, believers, on the other hand, prefer a different path to wealth, the path that does not conflict with the teachings of Christ and the laws of the state though the price is the length of time it takes in accumulating wealth when compared with unbelievers who seek instant gratification of wealth.

Secondly, the desire to get wealthy is another factor. Believers know their wealth and status on earth will all perish one day...one way or the other. They know it won't last. That is why the desire to be wealthy is not a driving force in their lives. They prefer working towards accumulating spiritual wealth to worldly wealth. That does not mean they don't work towards achieving worldly wealth. They do, but the difference is they are not passionately committed to becoming wealthy as the unbelievers. They'd rather be well-to-do. Besides, many, not all, believers view accumulation of wealth as hindrance to attaining the ultimate goal of their Faith - Heaven.

Moreover, many wealthy unbelievers, when they became Christians, gave up their goods and wealth for the benefit of all. Here you will recall the idiom 'poor as a church rat.' Can't delve into it right now but it is a proof of how many gave up their ostentatious and wealthy lifestyle to serve God after accepting Christ into their lives.

In addition, many unbelievers have the tendency of showing off their wealth to the world through the media or any other means. When they buy a gold rolex watch you will know, when they buy a new house they will announce it to the world, when they purchase a jet it will make the headlines of newspapers. Believers, on the other hand, who are even much wealthier prefer to do the same things without making a sound. The result is that people have the impression that unbelievers are wealthier than believers. That may be true but that is not always the case.

There are many other reasons but these should suffice to provide answers to your question.

d bolded reminds me of d so calld believers calld pastors.bro nt all unbelievers accumulatd der wealth tru dubious means,and u cnt expect a believer to b rich wen he/she enrichs iz/er pastor's pocket,dats y its only pastors dat flunts der wealth az a believer,followers dnt av anitin to flunt sinc dey ar already milkd dry.and r u saying if 1 isnt a believer,d person's wealth and everytin iz authomatically acquired tru dubious or immoral means?

Kendzyma: d bolded reminds me of d so calld believers calld pastors.bro nt all unbelievers accumulatd der wealth tru dubious means,and u cnt expect a believer to b rich wen he/she enrichs iz/er pastor's pocket,dats y its only pastors dat flunts der wealth az a believer,followers dnt av anitin to flunt sinc dey ar already milkd dry.and r u saying if 1 isnt a believer,d person's wealth and everytin iz authomatically acquired tru dubious or immoral means?

Not at all. I expected this question from someone who does not fully understand my post.

I said there are avenues of wealth the unbelievers will explore that are unsuitable to the believers. I never implied that those avenues are the only opportunites to wealth and that is why I gave examples to further clarify my point.

There are legal, conventional and acceptable paths to wealth taken by the believers and the unbelievers. I was not referring to this in my post and I distinguished the two by the examples I gave.

torchwave: Tpia, there are a number of reasons for that.

in the first place, unbelievers and believers have equal opportunities to wealth, fame and status. However, unbelievers seem to have exclusive access to these pleasures of life while believers are denied them.

There is no rocket science explanation to that fact...a mere observation will provide the answers.

You should know that religious beliefs play a fundamental role in determining people's attitude to the things of life such as wealth, career, marriage, association, etc etc...

There are avenues of wealth explored by unbelievers that are considered morally unsuitable by believers. Unbelievers capitalise on these get-rich-quick schemes because they have no moral restraint or values which keep believers from toeing the same path to wealth. A few examples include drug trafficking, local and international advance fee fraud, money laundering, bribery, kidnap and ransom, extortion, embezzlement, prostitution, human trafficking, robbery, contract assassination, romance scam, featuring in pornographic movies or mags, etc. While unbelievers, unrestrained by any notion of morality or dignity, are willing to get their hands soiled to get rich, believers, on the other hand, prefer a different path to wealth, the path that does not conflict with the teachings of Christ and the laws of the state though the price is the length of time it takes in accumulating wealth when compared with unbelievers who seek instant gratification of wealth.

Secondly, the desire to get wealthy is another factor. Believers know their wealth and status on earth will all perish one day...one way or the other. They know it won't last. That is why the desire to be wealthy is not a driving force in their lives. They prefer working towards accumulating spiritual wealth to worldly wealth. That does not mean they don't work towards achieving worldly wealth. They do, but the difference is they are not passionately committed to becoming wealthy as the unbelievers. They'd rather be well-to-do. Besides, many, not all, believers view accumulation of wealth as hindrance to attaining the ultimate goal of their Faith - Heaven.

Moreover, many wealthy unbelievers, when they became Christians, gave up their goods and wealth for the benefit of all. Here you will recall the idiom 'poor as a church rat.' Can't delve into it right now but it is a proof of how many gave up their ostentatious and wealthy lifestyle to serve God after accepting Christ into their lives.

In addition, many unbelievers have the tendency of showing off their wealth to the world through the media or any other means. When they buy a gold rolex watch you will know, when they buy a new house they will announce it to the world, when they purchase a jet it will make the headlines of newspapers. Believers, on the other hand, who are even much wealthier prefer to do the same things without making a sound. The result is that people have the impression that unbelievers are wealthier than believers. That may be true but that is not always the case.

There are many other reasons but these should suffice to provide answers to your question.

@ bold


In summary, you are saying that

-unbelievers are richer because they are more ready to engage in immoral/corrupt businesses than believers
-unbelievers are richer because they believe in worldly things while believers focus on God and the afterlife





what a joke

TheBigUrban2:




@ bold


In summary, you are saying that

-unbelievers are richer because they are more ready to engage in immoral/corrupt businesses than believers
-unbelievers are richer because they believe in worldly things while believers focus on God and the afterlife





what a joke

God send rain to believer's and unbeliever's, this is the free gift of God. Sin can stop blessing , but sin cannot stop gift , just as I explain the story of samson, samson has the gift of strength, even when he furnicate with daililah , the gift of strength was still with him.
Example a footballer like messi, he has the gift of playing football, I know messi would have commited a sin before, but the gift is still there because it is the free, IT WAS THE FREE GIFT THAT MAKE HIM[MESSI] RICH.

malvisguy212: God send rain to believer's and unbeliever's, this is the free gift of God. Sin can stop blessing , but sin cannot stop gift , just as I explain the story of samson, samson has the gift of strength, even when he furnicate with daililah , the gift of strength was still with him.
Example a footballer like messi, he has the gift of playing football, I know messi would have commited a sin before, but the gift is still there because it is the free, IT WAS THE FREE GIFT THAT MAKE HIM[MESSI] RICH.

NONSENSE!!!!!!!

The answer is as simple as ABC. Irreligious people are less likely to be distracted by the burdens of religious trappings such as tithing, long prayer/worship sessions and spiritual nonsense. Irreligious people have less things to distract them from getting a better life.

This doesnt mean that all irreligious people are sensible or richer than religious folks....it only means that we wouldnt waste time praying for solutions when we can do something about it.

TheBigUrban2:


NONSENSE!!!!!!!

The answer is as simple as ABC. Irreligious people are less likely to be distracted by the burdens of religious trappings such as tithing, long prayer/worship sessions and spiritual nonsense. Irreligious people have less things to distract them from getting a better life.

This doesnt mean that all irreligious people are sensible or richer than religious folks....it only means that we wouldnt waste time praying for solutions when we can do something about it.

were did I mention , religious people can not be rich? Do you AGUE to win trophy?

I SAID, GOD SEND RAIN TO UNBELIEVERS AND BELIEVER, THE GIFT OF GOD IS FOR EVERYONE.

malvisguy212: were did I mention , religious people can not be rich? Do you AGUE to win trophy?

I SAID, GOD SEND RAIN TO UNBELIEVERS AND BELIEVER, THE GIFT OF GOD IS FOR EVERYONE.

There is no God

TheBigUrban2:




@ bold


In summary, you are saying that

-unbelievers are richer because they are more ready to engage in immoral/corrupt businesses than believers
-unbelievers are richer because they believe in worldly things while believers focus on God and the afterlife





what a joke

It is the truth not a joke. A person who strongly believes in the dictates of Christian morality will feel conflicted when confronted with some of the things some business people do. I don't think he implied that unbelievers great rich only because they do immoral things, you and I know that businesses do indulge in some shady practices that should they come to light there would be an uproar, it has happened before (eg Enron, Shell).

LordReed:

It is the truth not a joke. A person who strongly believes in the dictates of Christian morality will feel conflicted when confronted with some of the things some business people do. I don't think he implied that unbelievers great rich only because they do immoral things, you and I know that businesses do indulge in some shady practices that should they come to light there would be an uproar, it has happened before (eg Enron, Shell).

Everyone has sinned according to your bible.

Both christians and non christians engage in shady businesses

"If you want to be perfect, the first thing you’ll have to do is go and sell everything you have and give the money to the poor and reserve for yourself riches in heaven. Then come back and learn how to follow My example." (In Mark 10:21

This scripture in itself doesn't permit believers to accumulate wealth.(Wealth or riches come about through accumulation etc)

Also the Bible says you can not serve God and mammon, meaning you cannot serve God and manage material wealth at the same time. You most love one, and hate the other.

This is why i think believers are not likely among the wealthiest people on earth.

Elijah78: "If you want to be perfect, the first thing you’ll have to do is go and sell everything you have and give the money to the poor and reserve for yourself riches in heaven. Then come back and learn how to follow My example." (In Mark 10:21

This scripture in itself doesn't permit believers to accumulate wealth.(Wealth or riches come about through accumulation etc)

Also the Bible says you can not serve God and mammon, meaning you cannot serve God and manage material wealth at the same time. You most love one, and hate the other.

This is why i think believers are not likely among the wealthiest people on earth.

Yet, the same christians are defending the riches of the catholic church and also private jet pastors

TheBigUrban2:




There is no God

A you sure?

TheBigUrban2:


Everyone has sinned according to your bible.

Both christians and non christians engage in shady businesses

Interesting, you believe in the Bible now?

When the issue of tax payment was brought up to Jesus, he asked them; whose face is on this coin? And their answer was; it is caesar's. Then Jesus told them that they should give to ceasar what belongs to caesar, and to God what belongs to God. The thing you should realise from this answer is that Jesus' kingdom is not of this world, so while he was in the world he was in subjection to the authorities of the world.
Now, as far as I know, God doesn't print money, so being a christian should not count as an advantage in getting money compared to non christians. For example, if you have two farmers with one of them a christian and the other a non christian, if the land they plant upon are of the same size and equally fertile, with the same amount of rainfall, what do you think would determine the size of their harvest?
If the christian farmer spends all his time asking for divine favour to have bountiful harvest and the non christian farmer used his time to learn about irrigation, and how to use fertilizers to boost his crop yield. Who do you think will make it to the market with extra baskets of farm produce of the two farmers?