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| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by manck: 7:33pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
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| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 7:34pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Caleboha: After over 200 years American physicians allowed the first nurse. Nigerian physicians have atleast 150 years to monopolise the position before it becomes a bone of contention....you mean we are still 200 yrs behind civilization. Try to think beyond your capput bro 2 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 7:38pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
thegeneral84: The position is the Surgeon-General in the USA Army. In the Army anywhere in the world, the highest ranking officer gets to be the Head whether Nurse or Doctor. The Nurse happens to be the highest ranking officer so she got the position. There is a Public Health Surgeon-General in the USA who is always a Medical Doctor. Nigerian Doctors are asking for the Public health Surgeon-General not military Surgeon-General....still thesame question. Will ever medical doctors condescend to allow other other health professionals to assume that position?.... 2 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by nanhilicious(f): 7:40pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Whether she's the Surgeon General of the Army, or Surgeon General of the United States,which ever one, the fact still remains that SHE IS A SURGEON GENERAL AND A "NURSE"... I am so inspired...btw, I am not a nurse though..  3 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Jalal(m): 7:40pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
And this made front page because.....?mind u am not oblivious to her achievements but the topic is kinda misleading, it should be 'of USA' in the title. 1 Like |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by nagoma(m): 7:47pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
prettyprettywow: why would they be asking for such post? Is that what we need as a nation at this point in time? how will this position improve the health of the masses? don't we already have director of public health in the ministry of health? will heaven fall if he performs the role of the so called surgeon-general? Besides the SGF is a public health position. Don't know why we as a nation like big titles sha Please take time to understand the subject before you write. I hope you don't behave like that in real life. |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by armadeo(m): 7:51pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Caleboha: After over 200 years American physicians allowed the first nurse. Nigerian physicians have atleast 150 years to monopolise the position before it becomes a bone of contention. Caleboha wins. FLAWLESS VICTORY FATALITY!!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by nagoma(m): 7:57pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
atbu1983: The health minister in canada is not a doctor or nurse. she is a graduate of Art. check her out. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rona_Ambrose. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rona_Ambrose Ronalee "Rona" Ambrose, PC, MP (born March 15, 1969) is a Canadian politician and a Member of Parliament since 2004. She serves as the Minister of Health, and Vice-Chair of the Treasury Board Cabinet committee. Ministers' appointments is reserved for the President with approval of the legislature. The president selects who ever he feels will represent him and execute his policies in a particular Ministry. This is as true in Canada as it is in Nigeria and elsewhere. Instead of all the envy and bitterness and anguish and self pity, You can always lobby the president and convince him not to appoint a Doctor as Health Minister. 1 Like |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by IzyLuv(f): 7:58pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Samgreguc: Nigerian Physicians want that office. If the Nurse has d aforementioned medical and leadership qualities, y not?? How many nurses do u knw, with above their basic degree.. 1 Like |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by phantom(m): 8:00pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
[quote author=bullionmx][/quote] please use Google and get back to me. |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 8:03pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Caleboha: After over 200 years American physicians allowed the first nurse. Nigerian physicians have atleast 150 years to monopolise the position before it becomes a bone of contention.surgeon general of United State is the same position as minister of health in Canada and other countries. And in Canada currently the minister of health is a political science graduate. In the United State only about 5percent of the hospitals are headed by doctors. The job of surgeon general, minister of health or chief medical director is purely Administrative. I am an Engineer. The current minister of petroleum read estate management. The truth is any professional can hold any admistrative position. I know some doctors may argue by saying why is the minister of justice and attorney general exclusively barristers. The difference is why the federal govt can be sued and thus the attorney general is the lawyer of the fed govt. Because the fed govt is a legal person. In the case of health, the fed govt is not a biological person and thus does not need a doctor. 3 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by biomedixexcel(m): 8:07pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Ok o |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by godsony: 8:07pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
sonofaGod: [b][/b]now johesu will see this now and out of ignorance nor go let doctors hear word again The Doctors in nigeria need the attention of psychologists! They are all suffering from A desease known as DELUSION OF GRANDIOSE, aserious malady. They will Soon Demand to always be the president of nigeria! 5 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 8:14pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
thegeneral84: The position is the Surgeon-General in the USA Army. In the Army anywhere in the world, the highest ranking officer gets to be the Head whether Nurse or Doctor. The Nurse happens to be the highest ranking officer so she got the position. There is a Public Health Surgeon-General in the USA who is always a Medical Doctor. Nigerian Doctors are asking for the Public health Surgeon-General not military Surgeon-General.you just wrote rubbish out of ignorance. In the Nigerian Army, the head of Army medical corps has never been any profession apart from a medical doctor irrespective of the next in rank. The Army medical corps has so structured her ranks that anytime the head of the corps is to be chosen, there will always be a Major General who is a medical doctor and who will also be the most senior. It all starts from the recruitment when doctors recruited with a higher level than their mates in other health professions and up that way they go until they become Major General and once one of them is promoted as the head of the Army medical corps (usually a doctor), his course mates (including other health professionals) are retired. The next head of the corps is chosen from the next course (a doctor) and his mates retires. That is how the circle goes. USA has proven once again that as a professional in your own field, you will be given equal chance of being appointed to the highest rank. 4 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 8:15pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
nagoma:but in Nigeria NMA always threatened to strike if someone else is made minister of health. I still remember in 2007 when there was a rumour that the late president yar adua wanted to make prof Dora akunyili who is a professor of pharmacy the minister of health, NMA threatened to go on strike. This is d kind of excesses of NMA a neutral Nigerian like me don't like abt NMA. NMA has maniac. GRADIOSITY 3 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by manny4life(m): 8:17pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
thegeneral84: The position is the Surgeon-General in the USA Army. In the Army anywhere in the world, the highest ranking officer gets to be the Head whether Nurse or Doctor. The Nurse happens to be the highest ranking officer so she got the position. There is a Public Health Surgeon-General in the USA who is always a Medical Doctor. Nigerian Doctors are asking for the Public health Surgeon-General not military Surgeon-General. After all this rubbish you wrote, whether it's army or not, isn't it the same practice of medicine? Doctors in the army aren't they same as in public health? Perhaps you should read this
Compare the U.S. Army healthcare system to that of Nigeria as a whole, does your public health you're clamoring for have a $13.5 billion budget? Does it have 480 facilities and 29 executive agencies including research centers? Does your public system oversee more than 140,000 employees? Public health or military health, care is care. After all, the medical science research and breakthrough are classified experimental studies managed from one of the agencies overseen by this woman. 2 Likes |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 8:20pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
sakaguchi: JOHESU is a fraud, big disappointment.guess u will teach seun how to do his job. U shouldn't be sentimental about most issues, act like a man. You old sissy |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 8:24pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Blockus: Nigerian Nurses be like; Madam, Abeg set your nyash well make I chook you the injection....funny you....i mean stop patronizing quack hospital 1 Like |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by priscaoge(f): 8:41pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Haderoncare: lols...but my own role model is professor Aina  |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by JuanDeDios: 9:15pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
thegeneral84: The position is the Surgeon-General in the USA Army. In the Army anywhere in the world, the highest ranking officer gets to be the Head whether Nurse or Doctor. The Nurse happens to be the highest ranking officer so she got the position. There is a Public Health Surgeon-General in the USA who is always a Medical Doctor. Nigerian Doctors are asking for the Public health Surgeon-General not military Surgeon-General.Lol. But if there's a military surgeon-general in Nigeria I'm sure Nigerian doctors in the military will still do the needful. Afterall, she's going to have doctors under her. I don't think it's about military health or public health. |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by sakaguchi(m): 9:17pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
nouveaux: guess u will teach seun how to do his job. U shouldn't be sentimental about most issues, act like a man. You old sissy You must be senile, you old fool. Obviously, you are not ashamed calling your juniour old, what does it make you grandpa? |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by JuanDeDios: 9:25pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Mbediogu:Nigerian doctors are not up there when compared with their American counterparts either. Silly me - they are. How could I forget that they saw Dora Akunyili's cancer which American doctors didn't see it? |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by JuanDeDios: 9:28pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
koonbey: Abegii,stop the Misdirection,that Post is in Army,and it devolved to her by mere Virtue of her Military Rank.This is the first thread I'm reading on this topic and honestly these ridiculous arguments would be funny if people weren't dying. Isn't it some people's argument that positions should devolve by virtue of rank and not course of study? |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by ziga: 9:43pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
atbu1983: surgeon general of United State is the same position as minister of health in Canada and other countries. And in Canada currently the minister of health is a political science graduate. In the United State only about 5percent of the hospitals are headed by doctors. The job of surgeon general, minister of health or chief medical director is purely Administrative. I am an Engineer. The current minister of petroleum read estate management. The truth is any professional can hold any admistrative position. I know some doctors may argue by saying why is the minister of justice and attorney general exclusively barristers. The difference is why the federal govt can be sued and thus the attorney general is the lawyer of the fed govt. Because the fed govt is a legal person. In the case of health, the fed govt is not a biological person and thus does not need a doctor. In order to decide who to head any institution, you first think about what kind of decisions they will be making. If the minister of health has to make health decisions that a Doctor normally would make, then he has to be a Doctor. If it is purely administrative, (which is most unlikely, just like the example of the attorney general) then it should be somebody capable of making good administrative decisions in the in the interest of their bosses. People with deserving qualifications should be heads. In Nigeria, everything is upside down!!! Everything has to do with politics and not merit. A smart and economical decision will be to merge both duties into one position - Administrative + Medical. And of a Doctor is in the best position to head these organizations for our Nigerian situation, then make it compulsory for applicants to have administrative education or experience. Let us put the best qualified people as our leaders in everything or else we will continue to rot in sh|t... |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by JuanDeDios: 9:46pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ziga:Good points. |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 9:55pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
ziga:I just gave an example of country with very effective public health whose minister read political science. Canada health system is even more effective than that of united state of America . Yet thier minister of health is a political scientist. You can read the article below for details: source: m.nber.org//bah/fall07/w13429.html Comparing the U.S. and Canadian Health Care Systems In discussions of health care reform , the Canadian system is often held up as a possible model for the U. S. The two countries ' health care systems are very different-Canada has a single- payer , mostly publicly - funded system, while the U. S. has a multi - payer , heavily private system- but the countries appear to be culturally similar, suggesting that it might be possible for the U .S . to adopt the Canadian system . Much of the appeal of the Canadian system is that it seems to do more for less. Canada provides universal access to health care for its citizens , while nearly one in five non - elderly Americans is uninsured . Canada spends far less of its GDP on health care ( 10 . 4 percent , ver - sus 16 percent in the U. S. ) yet performs better than the U. S . on two commonly cited health outcome measures , the infant mortality rate and life expectancy . In " Health Status , Health Care , and Inequality: Canada vs. the U. S . ," ( NBER Working Paper 13429 ) June O' Neill and Dave M . O' Neill take a closer look at the performance of the U. S . and Canadian health care systems . The authors examine whether the Canadian system delivers better health outcomes and distributes health resources more equitably than the U .S . system. The authors begin by examining the evidence on health outcomes . They note that the infant mortality rate and life expectancy are affected by many factors other than the health care system. For example , low birthweight- a phenomenon known to be related to substance abuse and smoking -is more common in the U. S . For babies in the same birthweight range, infant mortality rates in the two countries are similar. In fact, if Canada had the same proportion of low birthweight babies as the U. S ., the authors project that it would have a slightly higher infant mortality rate. Thus , the authors conclude that differences in infant mortality have more to do with differences in behavior than with the health care systems . A similar argument may be made for life expectancy . The gap in life expectancy among young adults is mostly explained by the higher rate of mortality in the U. S. from accidents and homicides. At older ages much of the gap is due to a higher rate of heart disease -related mortality in the U. S. While this could be related to better treatment of heart disease in Canada , factors such as the U. S . ' s higher obesity rate ( 33 percent of U . S. women are obese , vs. 19 percent in Canada ) surely play a role . To compare how the countries perform on other health outcome measures , the authors use the Joint Canada / U. S . Survey of Health , a survey of about 9 ,000 residents of the two countries conducted in 2002 - 2003 . The authors begin by comparing self- reported health status . While this measure is subjective and may be influenced by factors outside the health care system , it is widely used by researchers . They find that self- reported health status is similar in the two countries - if anything , more people report themselves to be in excellent health in the U. S. |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by ziga: 10:07pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
atbu1983: I just gave an example of country with very effective public health whose minister read political science. Canada health system is even more effective than that of united state of America . Yet thier minister of health is a political scientist. What kind of decisions do these health ministers make? I bet you, they have a system for making that work. And they have a system of preventing these ministers from making decisions that would be harmful to public health. These political scientists definitely do not make health related decisions that they do not understand which is probably why the Canadian health system is one of the best in the world. If we replicate their style in Nigeria, how do you propose that the minister make decisions that would reduce the amount of women dying as a result of pregnancy in Nigeria? |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 11:11pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
[quote author=thegeneral84] The position is the Surgeon-General in the USA Army. In the Army anywhere in the world, the highest ranking officer gets to be the Head whether Nurse or Doctor. The Nurse happens to be the highest ranking officer so she got the position. There is a Public Health Surgeon-General in the USA who is always a Medical Doctor. Nigerian Doctors are asking for the Public health Surgeon-General not military 2 surgeon generals? |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by Nobody: 6:49am On Jul 18, 2014 |
sakaguchi:eya, nevr knew it would hit you hard. Sorry, old hag |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by chukel(m): 7:31am On Jul 18, 2014 |
Johesu is just too desperate. Its just a matter of time, nigerians will know wat dy really stand for |
| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by phiszo(m): 7:56am On Jul 18, 2014 |
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| Re: Horoho Takes Oath As First Nurse, Female Surgeon General Of The U.S Army by nobilis: 8:36am On Jul 18, 2014 |
prettyprettywow: why would they be asking for such post? Is that what we need as a nation at this point in time? how will this position improve the health of the masses? don't we already have director of public health in the ministry of health? will heaven fall if he performs the role of the so called surgeon-general? Besides the SGF is a public health position. Don't know why we as a nation like big titles sha So why are JOHESU people asking to be made consultants. Is that what we need as a nation at this time? How will they better impact the health of the masses than they are doing now. Do not forget that NMA started demanding for surgeon-general when JOHESU started making their absurd demands. So it was a reactionary demand. If u say NMA demand for surgeon-general is absurd, then JOHESU consultancy demands are more absurd. After all, both are international best practices. NB: those countries that have dis surgeon-general or its equivalents also have ministries of health. |
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