lrguru: Watchin this whole movie in my 14inches black n white tv, n its not even clear. Abeg what did de say happen again?

DanNafada:

I respect your position in some ways but you really do not have to go on a TOTAL strike to get things done. You only lose respect the more.
Why not simply decide to cancel clinics and other non-essential services? Why do you have to stop emergency services knowing quite well that people will die DAILY as a consequence? I am sorry, you cannot defend that.

Tobbie9: Guy were u banned?

poiZon:




dem say water don flow finish for river niger, fg want constitute comittee to look into d matter n another committee that will look into sourcing funds so they can export some water into the river. the way dis thng is going boko haram fit vex o.

deadie:

You said it all. The mentality of the doctors in Nigeria is very different. I work in a hospital in Germany and the hospital director is not a physician. Yet the NMA will rather see patients die than have the position open to all qualified persons? Their ego is out of this world.

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

deadie:

You said it all. The mentality of the doctors in Nigeria is very different. I work in a hospital in Germany and the hospital director is not a physician. Yet the NMA will rather see patients die than have the position open to all qualified persons? Their ego is out of this world.

leo1234: I don't really get u.
Please, in the west-
Are the medical directors medical doctors?(not chief executives)
Do the consultant nurses consult in the hospital?(I mean a patient who goes to the hospital can see a consultant nurse because he/she knows what the doctors know.)

sisiafrika: you should be ashamed of yourself if this is the best counter opinion you could tender.

drered: Stop being ignorant and insecure cuz nobody is trying to take "your patients" from you.. The doctor should always be the first point of call by a patient and nothing is going to change that. You should objectively look at what consultancy by other members of the healthcare team in saner climes entails.

leo1234:
I think u don't really know what is going on in Nigeria.
In Abuja patients who came to the hospital were asked to see the consultant nurse because she can do what the doctors do.
At uch Ibadan a plastic surgeon was prevented from inspecting the wound of his patient because a consultant nurse had done that.
At Nnewi a consultant pharmacist went for a ward round and changed the prescription made by a cardiologist on the ground that the drug have some side effects.
Are these obtainable in saner climes too?

Oduduwaboy:
What method of hospital administration holds in the USA sir ? do you know ? if its so beautiful in Nigeria , why did you leave na?

leo1234: The person u quoted said majority of the chief executives are non doctors. But he did not state if the medical directors are usually doctors or not.
So in Germany-
Are the medical directors usually doctors or not?
Do consultant nurses consult in the hospital?(a patient who visits the hospital can see a consultant nurse because he/she knows what the doctors know.)

sublimes: The Minister is obviously tired of the frivolous demands of the doctors.

leo1234:
I think u don't really know what is going on in Nigeria.
In Abuja patients who came to the hospital were asked to see the consultant nurse because she can do what the doctors do.
At uch Ibadan a plastic surgeon was prevented from inspecting the wound of his patient because a consultant nurse had done that.
At Nnewi a consultant pharmacist went for a ward round and changed the prescription made by a cardiologist on the ground that the drug have some side effects.
Are these obtainable in saner climes too?

drered: . You should objectively look at what consultancy by other members of the healthcare team in saner climes entails.

dakotchic:


Yes you are right and have only repeated what doctors have been saying. The CEO, AKA chairman of board AKA policy maker of the hospital must not be doctor and that already happens. You further corroborated that the medical director AKA CMD must be a doctor, that's what we are also saying. We have also researched and found that nurse and pharmacy consultants exist but not in clinical/hospital settings. Thanks for buttressing our points! Finally I agree strike shouldn't be a first or middle resort but a last resort and that's why NMA at its wit's end, has resorted to strike. I think it's justifiable and recently in 2012 doctors in scotland went on strike too.

Mishydoo: Doctors are rapidly loosing their relevance!Seems no one cares anymore...!#tune out the noisy cry baby

greatbygrace:
This shouldn't be if there is effective communication between the doc.and other health professionals. patient care should be seen as a team approach, with a doctor at the centre of it.
But if a doctor looks down on others, others will want to do d same.
In a case where a consultant prescribes a drug and a pharmacist thinks otherwise, if they both have the interest of the patient at heart, they will listen to each other.
Usually the doctor has his reasons for writing what he wrote(drugs) and sometimes the doctors are wrong. If the doctor is wrong and egoistic then the patient will suffer but if the doctor is humble enough to admit the mistake, the patient is better and the Doc. takes the glory.

#team work, effective communication, mutual respect. Then will our health system be great and have better patient satisfaction

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

iiiyyyk:

U know the truth, but u are just trying to twist the truth, this is not goin to help us, our society is geting wiser day by day.
In nigeria, the CMD is doing the job of a CEO. This office is not a clinlcal position and shld not be an exclusive reserve for physicians. The office of the CMD in nigeria, is purely managerial and adminlstrative and could be occupied by any body.

The office of CMAC, in nigeria, is same as MD in developed world, is purely clinical office and should be occupied by a consultant physician.

For our heath care to grow, we need CEOs who will run our hospitals without any professional bias.

It is only the truth that will set us free.

armadeo:




Point of correction while I agree that there are some arrogant drs, the arrogance isn't because of medicine its a fundamental HUMAN FLAW. However its unfair to tag all drs arrogant. That being said a large majority of those shouting ego ego ego have low self esteem. I have seen some johesuites here who are really proud ofttheir profession.

When u read what they post you know they tactically aren't taking sides but defend their profession with pride. .

many others

greatbygrace:

I never mentioned in my post that all doctors are arrogant, the fact is that many doc. I know are intelligent and humble but from what I can see from this forum many are arrogant and I don't disagree with the fact that some/many JOHESU members have low self esteem.
All I'm saying is that if everyone puts the interest of the patient at heart things will be better.
There is nothing wrong if a Doctor corrects a pharm. Or a pharm. Corrects a doc. Or if a physio advises to on patient treatment, or a nurse suggesting sometin. If its for the patient's best interest
If each and everyone speaks to each other politely and everyone especially other healthcare proffessionals impropves themselves to bring sometin new to the table, then all dis power tusle will b a thing of the past.


I really don't know y u had to quote me

dakotchic:

Not true dear! The CMD sure is managerial but has lots of clinical bias. There is a director of Administration who works directly almost at par with the CMD and they are both answerable to the Chairman of board. Please Google is our friend. You can only say there may be no need for the CMAC position and for that I have no opinion

Chartey: Remind me again. Why did you leave Nigeria? Because you have experienced some amount of comfort in your travels doesn't mean you should forget how difficult and different things at home are. How many strikes overall happen in the UK?

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

DanNafada: My little contribution as a doctor who has worked in a teaching hospital in Naija and now working in the NHS:

1. It is an absolute shame for any doctor to go on total strike, for whatever reason. There is just no justification for causing so much suffering and death in a profession that is considered to be as noble as Medicine.
2. The Chief Executive of every major health organization or hospital in most of the West is NOT a doctor. In the NHS for example, there is a Medical Director and others below him who are doctors but the head honcho is the Chief Executive, who is usually not a doctor.
3. There are Nurse Consultants in the NHS but they are mainly based in tertiary academic units and hardly involved in daily clinical care.
4. The first and only time I remember the BMA agreeing to a Doctor's strike in England, emergency and other essential services were not affected. Hardly anybody noticed there was a strike going on and most of this was because doctors voluntarily decided it would have been unethical, even if the reason for considering the strike was justified.

Nigerians have enough on their hands as it is. That a group of very educated and essential professionals cannot see why it is necessary to get back to work simply for the sake of the common man is extremely sad.

Chukwu who had attended Monday's meeting did not turn up for today's session and did not send any representative, a situation which angered the lawmakers.

He said the committee after holding a partial meeting with stakeholders on Monday decided to reschedule it as finance minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala; Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Anyim Pius Anyim; Head of Service, Alhaji Bukar Goni Aji and Director-General of the Budget Office, Bright Okogu were all absent and did not send any representative.