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Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Samgreguc(m): 3:10pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
joker5180: he was referring to ' hospital setting" brosI knw. See eh, d fact say Akintola is a Dr no mean say him no b Pharmacist. Of cos, he should be called a Pharmacist by anyone who feels so but, nt to an extent of a Physician claiming it jst for him. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Samgreguc(m): 3:17pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
ogawisdom:it's called professional doctorate not, research doctorate(Ph. D) |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by ogawisdom(m): 3:24pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
Samgreguc: Wat r u say at best mbbs being a double degree shld earn a masters n neva a doctorate. This shld b challenged in the future. U shld nt b called doctors wen u don't ve a doctorate but physicians until u get one. A doctor is one who is a philosopher in his area n makes knowledge n nt jst a knowledge consumer lik our medical doctors. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Samgreguc(m): 3:33pm On Jul 20, 2014 |
ogawisdom:whether two or ten bachelors degree it doesn't give u a master until u do masters cos, if its so what wil u den say of BDS graduate who also bears Dr? . . All am saying is that there is professional doctorate even in art professions and there is research doctorate(Ph. D). 1 Like |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by anthney87: 8:12am On Jul 21, 2014 |
ziga: u speak trash ... doctor is just a term used.. in medicine.... one hu praxticr surgery Is surgeon practice physiotherapy is physiotherapist practice dentristy is dentist practice gynecology is gynecologist etc they are all DOCTORS. In other field one hu have a P.HD is addressed is DOCTOR. even a traditionalist is called a doctor. wat matter is the field u re as a doctor. Na jealously de do dem. A dentist does not cry to be called doctor but he actually is a doctor so they should go and die. them de jealous nurses. go go o other countries nurses are more respected Dan d so called doctors and they even make more money. nurses do all d work here in Nigeria and doctors just eat the money. nurses are in d hospital 24/7 but doctor mostly come on emergency or on appointment. and u expect a matron hu have served more than 30 yrs to bow down to a doctor of just 6yrs experience. bullshit. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by armadeo(m): 11:47am On Jul 21, 2014 |
anthney87: Dumb!!! |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by optm(m): 12:42pm On Aug 01, 2014 |
and who says an optometrist is nt a doctor? I'm nt even sure of hw tru ur story might b? I guess u whose a medical corper cn manage eye diseases nd vision anormalies better dan an optometrist? Mtcheew. Waiting for such a situation to arise nd i guess we wldnt hv to talk much bt jst give a test on hw knowledgeable d med wld b in managin eye conditions. Continue in ur treatin malaria nd oda systemic conditions why i focus on d eye health of my patients |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 12:31am On Aug 02, 2014 |
[quote author=joker5180] " doctor of medical lab science" is next, I think they are still 'googling' to find out if it is been offered in UK or US[/quote that was so funny , I almost aspirated 1 Like |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 12:59am On Aug 02, 2014 |
ottizz:to follow ur logic, no seasoned professor should become a vice chancellor as long as he/she is not from the department of management and accounting. Infact some NASU members who are themselves graduates shld be more eligible |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Nobody: 2:32am On Aug 02, 2014 |
Zeus777: to follow ur logic, no seasoned professor should become a vice chancellor as long as he/she is not from the department of management and accounting. Infact some NASU members who are themselves graduates shld be more eligible Unfortunately, you are not following my logic. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 3:40pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
ottizz:because ur submission is actually devoid of logic |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 4:12pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
ottizz:there should be a CEO of a university too who could b anyone from NASU. Even the court bailiff too should b appointed justice of the Supreme Court and even attorney general. Mtscheeeeew 2 Likes |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by allycat: 7:17pm On Aug 02, 2014 |
But come to think of it Universities in Nigeria must be daft, can you imagine at least five of them have the same inept Medical Doctors as their Vice Chancellors,UNN, UI, OAU, LASU and the university in Katsina. The same doctors that JOHESU members say don't have the wer withal to head hospitals are now heading Universities, ASUU must hear of this 4 Likes |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Nobody: 7:45am On Aug 03, 2014 |
Zeus777: there should be a CEO of a university too who could b anyone from NASU. Even the court bailiff too should b appointed justice of the Supreme Court and even attorney general. Mtscheeeeew What? Okay, let me break it down for you, as you are still unable to grasp my point. In a health-system there are many things involved. Yes, the ultimate end is patient care, however, there are a lot of things that have to happen correctly in other to get to this ultimate end. It will take someone that is able to deal harmoniously with all the departments so they can all work synchronously to reach this common goal. The departments in a health-system include, but not limited to, nursing, medicine, engineering, pharmacy, janitorial, central supply, security, accounting, information technology, and human resources. This person has to oversee a lot of budgetary issues, patient satisfaction issues, and community awareness and citizenship issues, etc. That is why there is a field called health care administration. If a physician has the vast experience to deal with all these and become the CEO of such a health-system, it will have less to do with his/her medical license but more with his/her managerial expertise. But to have a physician manage the hospital based just on their medical degree is outright ridiculous and will produce no growth for that particular hospital. 1 Like |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by ziga: 11:58am On Aug 03, 2014 |
ottizz: We keep arguing about this whole CEO situation? But do you really think that is the problem with Nigeria's health sector? I need your truthful answer on this. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Nobody: 12:09pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
ziga: Read my first post on this topic and see my answer to your question. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 1:08pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
ottizz:is that what u meant by "breaking it down"?? Very funny. Hv u ever asked urself why the majority of the most prestigious hospitals in the UK and US remain headed by medical doctors?? Look my friend, beyond what u learn in school as far as management is concerned u will pick up what u need to succeed as long as u smart; an average doctor is expected to be smart (true or false?) A specialist Dr has the advantage that he/ she has acquired a deep intuitive knowledge about the core business of their organisations and this helps with decision-making and institutional strategy. Falcone and Satiani (2008) suggest that a physician-leader who has spent years as a medical practitioner has acquired integrity that implies “walking the walk” (2008, p92) This ability enhances a leader’s credibility. Physician-leaders who have greater credibility tend to act as role models for medical staff and their presence also help hospitals to attract talented medical personnel.1. Y is it that hospitals positioned higher in the US News and World Report’s “Best Hospitals” ranking are led disproportionately by physicians. 2. Y are they currently reverting to Dr only CEO under NHS?( since 2008) 3. Y do Nigerians jump to copy others not minding their own peculiarity or even not minding to study the current success or demerit of such policies where they exist . As long as it is existing somewhere around d globe then they just want to copy |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 1:27pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
ottizz:y should he waste his time to read ur first post?? Wasn't it in ur first post u wrote that a CNO should be equal to a CMD!!! That REALY shows the depth of ur knowledge . U didn't even talk about comparing ur CNO to a CMO who in an hospital is still rightfully placed higher on the organogram than ur CNO. Instead u jumped to equate a CNO to a CMD. Y don't u start comparing a warrant officer in the army to a brig general... U funny! 1 Like |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Zeus777: 1:42pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
Yet again mr otizzz u are yet to explain why most vice chancellors of universities are not from the department of management! |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by ziga: 2:11pm On Aug 03, 2014 |
ottizz: Ok. I'll search for it. You search for my first post regarding this topic too and what I'm saying will make sense to you. |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by Nobody: 4:00am On Aug 04, 2014 |
ziga: I have read your first post regarding quackery in the medical profession. I am in total support of your recommendation of real time online access of registered physicians. I must add, for the benefit of the patient also, that physician clinics should not dispense medications unless a licensed pharmacist is present. In fact physician clinics should not be allowed to dispense medications to avoid conflict of interest. But Ziga, my only reason for posting on this topic is solely on the issue of who should be the head of a hospital. My beef is that some people are saying that this job should be the birthright of the physician, but I am saying that the position should be reserved for the person that has the interpersonal skill and management experience to effectively manage the diverse individuals in an industry that is largely driven by ego. 1 Like |
Re: Why Can’t A Matron Take Instruction From Doctor? – Lawmaker by ziga: 5:32am On Aug 04, 2014 |
ottizz: Haba Mr Ottizz. Even in yankee, pharmacists give drugs to Doctors for them to dispense to their patients in the office. There is absolutely no medicine without pharmacology. Please note that I am referring to pharmacology and not pharmacy!!! What people don't want to agree with, is that medicine incorporates/overlaps all the other departments in health care - Pharmacology, Nursing, Physical therapy, Laboratory medicine etc. to a very large extent. If you understand that, you wouldn't say that Doctors shouldn't dispense medications. I am not saying that Doctors do not need pharmacists (Doctors are trained in pharmacology), but Doctors have, and can work where there are no pharmacists with certain limitations. However, even in situations where Doctors dispense medications, there should be regulations. If that is what you are trying to say, I agree with you. But do NOT try to reduce the abilities/duties of a doctor to favor your argument. Regarding heading medical institutions, it is very difficult to make an argument against having an MD head medical institutions because by the virtue of how Docs are trained, the Doctor is the only health professional that plays a central role and interacts with all the other health care professionals. I agree that somebody with administrative capabilities should make admin decisions. So, we are left with 2 options. 1. Give the MDs that will head hospitals the required "administrative training" or 2. Hire administrative executives that would do that effectively. There are advantages and disadvantages regardless of what option we choose. But my bottom line is that regardless of what approach, if the health sector is not funded, and the people who work are not adequately remunerated, nothing will change. 1 Like |
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