ziga:

You can apply that same question to so many organizations run by the FG.

Who runs the hospitals?

Are the Docs supposed to buy drills?

There are hospitals where I've read of, that patients are the ones that buy their own gloves.

I have heard of maternity homes were patients have to bring a 25 liter can of water.

I have worked in hospitals where Docs carry around their own gloves to care for patients.

People die from the simplest things.

Isn't that an indication that there is a big problem?

Administrators will tell you they can't afford to do these things because the allocations they get from the FG is to pay cachectic wages.

pls give me a break from his Government provide this Government provide that, Do u mean to tell me that such hospital can't afford Equipment as low as 1m without government involvement?, The C.M.D of that hospital shld be arrested, where the all the allocation that the government has bn sending to d hospital?, what about the internal generated funds?

GodMode:



this long comment is gibberish.

Who cares if your relation is doing an operation that costs 3 million

The fact that you didnt get the point is OK. The fact that all you could pick from the write up is 3m and you begin to foam at the mouth with hate is scary

As a physician who has experienced similar situations in the past, let me clarify a few points.

First, the doctor had to rent the equipment because it was not available in the hospital. No doctor will charge a patient for an equipment bought by the hospital. I have seen this happen many times. I once had a consultant orthopaedic surgeon who was the only with some latest operating equipment in a certain FMC. He had bought the equipment during a specialist surgical course in India. He was the only one with those equipment in the state capital and the only other option would be for parents to travel very far away. And of course he charges rent for those equipment.

Second, for those asking 'how can a hospital not have such equipment'? Haven't you been to some govt ministries, agencies, etc where they tell you they cannot attend to you because problems like:
No ink or paper to print.
No light or no fuel in the generator to type your document.
etc. And they ask you to use the business centres.

So how come they can't afford paper, ink, generator or fuel?
Like someone said, patients buy their own gloves in many hospitals. Worse still, many doctors(including myself) have been forced to attend to some patients without cloves. Why?
Yeah, because at those moments it would appear most insensitive not to attend to such patients. The patient's relatives would accuse you of wickedness as some always do.
Now the hazard allowance is 5k per month.

Third, for those saying physician CMDs are responsible for lack of equipment in hospitals. This is very funny. Most upgrading of hospital facilities is done by direct contract from Abuja without the CMDs' input. Besides, are the physician CMDs also responsible for lack of infrastructure in every other institution of govt?

Lastly, for those saying that other health workers may do better as administrators, I know health centres being run by nurses. In fact, I served in one during my NYSC. It was and still a mess. And honestly, I cannot blame her. She has a limited knowledge of the total aspects of patient care when compared with the doctors. Her handling of drug procurement is a mess. So is everything else.

I am sorry if you think this is too long

pDude: Do you now believe that Nigeria is in serious trouble?

Believe me we are in real serious trouble here.....OPARI

phantom: do you know what a defibrillator is? Google it.
can you imagine no government hospital in this country has a defibrillator except maybe national hospital.
a very important machine.
many government hospitals do not have something as basic as an ultrasound machine. Nigerian doctors make the best of a very sad situation honestly.
your leaders fly out BECAUSE they know they have not done the right thing.they have not equipped the hospital s or trained their health personnel.
there is an area of radiology called interventional radiology.with interventional radiology ,many cases that would have ordinarily needed surgery are handled.these are less invasive procedures.we have only two people in this country you can call interventional radiologists. gambari and ahidjo, both of them in the north.
what stops our govt from sending out more people for training in different aspects of medicine? if they can't afford it,then import these highly skilled personnel from other countries especially India to come in and train our people.
our government is useless.

so useless a government! all they know is to share millions. posterity will never forgive them for the chaotic mess they plunge this country into. I am not even if we have interventional cardiologist when there is no common defibribilator.

armadeo:


Proof or sauce or whatever

you don't need any fact, its real. That is y those doctor on strike are the winning side.

o42austino: pls give me a break from his Government provide this Government provide that, Do u mean to tell me that such hospital can't afford Equipment as low as 1m without government involvement?, The C.M.D of that hospital shld be arrested, where the all the allocation that the government has bn sending to d hospital?, what about the internal generated funds?

How are going to get fund without the patients suffer for the payment. Our goverment are faulty. The last i went to an area local gv for national id, i was ask to pay 300. Our leaders are not sincere.

o42austino: pls give me a break from his Government provide this Government provide that, Do u mean to tell me that such hospital can't afford Equipment as low as 1m without government involvement?, The C.M.D of that hospital shld be arrested, where the all the allocation that the government has bn sending to d hospital?, what about the internal generated funds?

How are they going to get the fund without the patients suffer for the payment. Our goverment are faulty. The last time i went to an area local gv for national id, i was ask to pay 300. Our leaders are not sincere.

what a country where human life is not valued.

o42austino: pls give me a break from his Government provide this Government provide that, Do u mean to tell me that such hospital can't afford Equipment as low as 1m without government involvement?, The C.M.D of that hospital shld be arrested, where the all the allocation that the government has bn sending to d hospital?, what about the internal generated funds?

Well, I'm sure you can take up this issue and get to the bottom of it.

And arrest anybody who is found culpable. Maybe we need all the stink to come out.

You seem to have great knowledge about how things currently run.

Wow!!! Mods thanks for placing this article on FP.Although im not an FP enthusiast but all the same.Thank you.

I could not hold back my annoyance and anger after carefully observing the true state of well beign of my countrymen back home.Its dearthly appalling.

From education to health,employment to sustaining SME,its all politics and corruption fest.
Imagine in a case where a citizen had to cough out almost N800 Fuckn grand...for hips joint replacement at "a government hospital" for crying out loud.

It makes one to wonder what it will cost to have a triple heart bypass surgery, or colon resection to a save a dying patient.

Nigeria presently is dying . Enuff of this PDP this APC that.The country is under the firm grip of vampires who are hell bent on ruling but without an iota of care or concern for the people they preside over.
Left to me,I so desire the mount carmel experience for the living past and present "rulers" not "leaders".Beheading of each and everyone of them.

Perhaps such will serve as a cautionary reminder for those aiming to be in elective positions I swear.

prettyprettywow: Poor funding shey? What have we done with the little funding we have so far? I guess our Dr CMD's who are the world best administrators were busy enriching their pockets with the money meant for the buying of these equipment. I am sure our health sector gets more funding than those of Ghana and other poorer African countries whose health care system are better than ours. Yet, you want to lie to our faces that Drs should continue heading ba? Diaris God ooo

then it'll be better when johesu heads it abi? Nonsense!

mtex:

Because it happened everyday and almost everywhere that does not make it right or normal!!
These guys are so corrupt

Please tell the house what you'll do if you are a doctor and the instrument (kallmans Syringe) needed to stop a woman from bleeding to death was not available in the hospital, but is available for rent just outside the hospital.

Mind you, this is not fiction. It is a scenario that plays out in our hospitals everyday.

iiiyyyk: Yes, it can happen in nigeria hospitals. Cos the hospital CEO/CMD is a Physician, cmac is a physician, the director of medical services is physician, the perm sec fed ministry of health is a physician, the minister of health for state is a physician, the minister of health is a physician. Tell me which other federal Govt is killing our health system if not our life givers and demi gods, egomeniac nigerian physicians.
May be the president will become a physician, for the health sector to be Good.

Bros, I dey feel u....U were so determined not 2 use the word 'doctor' in your post.....u be johesuite ??

theplanmaker: oh I have seen worse......there are cases in Ubth were consultants refuse to attend to patients except they register in their private clinics, this is what medicine has turned to in Nigeria. unlike education, poor funding is not the biggest problem in the health sector........corruption is the problem.

Smh...and they keep comparing themselves to their colleagues outside Nigeria. What a shame. Some Nigerian professionals and greed? Disgraceful...and they have an MD who's supposed to be checking on their practices?

o42austino: pls give me a break from his Government provide this Government provide that, Do u mean to tell me that such hospital can't afford Equipment as low as 1m without government involvement?, The C.M.D of that hospital shld be arrested, where the all the allocation that the government has bn sending to d hospital?, what about the internal generated funds?

Ask them...some Doctors have successfully crippled the Government hospitals they work in so their private hospitals can excel. Rubbish!!

Mai name na kamoru sule .na me dey klin flaw for LUTH for 10 years, I sabi scrub flaw well well no b small.na him dem come tell us say make we join johesu 4 hospitu.say me sef go soon bekome consultant doktor.i happy no be small, God Don catch all dose doktors, I Don go sow my own lab coat sef..make e fine well well..my prayer b say if I fit bekome SeeEmDee..I go make shioor say all the hospitu Difelop well well...I know say all mai nursing sisters and farmacy brodas go sopot me, bekos we b wan...tiri gbosa 4 johesu 4 be living in me dat wot a doktor can do a chif flaw cleaner laik me can do. Bekos I get esperience.

We always put blame on government! We have forgotten that, govt. put somebody there to do the needful.
The CMD's in charge of various hospitals should use their IGR to provide some basic instruments & equipment for the use
of the workers instead of using the money for frivolous things, things that are irrelevant to the diagnosis & treatment
Of the patients they are to look after, & that is why some people will capitalise on this to exploit patients. Therefore, the born to rule administrators (the Docs)
who are suppose to know the importance of having these instruments & equipment should use their IGR to buy them. Chikena!
They are incharge as CMDs & they should run it well.

people do not seem to get it.
the whole system is messed up.
tin my institution, there are soo many things hat are your personal equipment that you are usingmfor the government.

Jogbojogbo: We always put blame on government! We have forgotten that, govt. put somebody there to do the needful.
The CMD's in charge of various hospitals should use their IGR to provide some basic instruments & equipment for the use
of the workers instead of using the money for frivolous things, things that are irrelevant to the diagnosis & treatment
Of the patients they are to look after, & that is why some people will capitalise on this to exploit patients. Therefore, the born to rule administrators (the Docs)
who are suppose to know the importance of having these instruments & equipment should use their IGR to buy them. Chikena!
They are incharge as CMDs & they should run it well.

No1 was born a doctor now, u av 2 go 2 medical school 2 earn it na....so was no1 born 2 b a nurse, pharmacist or lab tech.u choose ur path, I'm sure even kamoru sule above agrees.

Jogbojogbo: We always put blame on government! We have forgotten that, govt. put somebody there to do the needful.
The CMD's in charge of various hospitals should use their IGR to provide some basic instruments & equipment for the use
of the workers instead of using the money for frivolous things, things that are irrelevant to the diagnosis & treatment
Of the patients they are to look after, & that is why some people will capitalise on this to exploit patients. Therefore, the born to rule administrators (the Docs)
who are suppose to know the importance of having these instruments & equipment should use their IGR to buy them. Chikena!
They are incharge as CMDs & they should run it well.

I like the igr argument but until you find out how much it costs to run a hospital you will find out the hospitals are poorly funded.

If we privatise the hospitals like we are agitating many of these johesu fighters would be without jobs.the only job in the hospital that cannot be replaced by a computer for most part is the doctor and the nurse.
Even the pharmacist would be redundant.

The hospital has been the only sector in the Nigerian economy with a semblance of sanity but the evil spirits disturbing Naija have found some loop hole to spread discord ( the black man's crave for another man's pride).

I had similar problem at the maxillofacial surgery unit of ABUTH Zaria. I was having this recurrent toothache and I went to hospital. The doctors at the hospital diagnosed my problem as ingrowing wisdom tooth which have to be surgically remove. Since I was on NHIS as student of ABU, my HMO approved the surgery for me only to be told the maxillofacial surgeon that I have to pay for the rentage of drilling machine. I had no money that day so I returned back to the school clinic popularly called sickbay. On getting there I explained my predicament to the head dental surgeon and he told me that he would do the surgery without drilling machine if I could pay 1 thousand naira. After consulting my best friend in school then, I organized the money and entered for the surgery. To my astonishment, this doctor started using what resemble stainless plier and chisel on my tooth after he gave me one injection beneath the tooth.The pain was unbearable and it forced him to stop the surgery halfwAy... I'm still managing my condition using drugs and other necessary things. May the gods bless the Nigerian doctors like the pro-Russian separatists blessed flight mh17

phantom: o please! you want to go towards the angle of fraud. what do you expect? the problem is that the hospital does not have a single drilling machine. that is what has given room to the whole 'renting one' rubbish.
someone is capitalising on the inefficiency of your government (though the person is not being straight forward about it) to make quick cash.simple!

It appear the hospital do not have the drilling machine and the one in question belongs to the Dr. from his private practice.

In the US it is the norm to pay multiple parties various fees apart from the hospital when you go for surgery or childbirth.

But unlike this case, they all go through the insurance company(if you have insurance) and they certainly send you invoices.

Not every professional or expert that attends to you at the hospital are paid by the hospital, many are consultants who you have to settle as well.

Under this condition in this story, the wise thing to do is to actually pay the money or look for another hospital, you don't want someone to saboteur your operation.

xrazzy: ... May the gods bless the Nigerian doctors like the pro-Russian separatists blessed flight mh17

this is very sickening, so if your wish is granted how would you or anyone get their medical needs taken care of in Nigeria?

The fact that, you may have encountered a less than professional Nigerian doctor does not mean all Nigerian doctors are the same and must be doomed.

Even if your encounter was a genuine fraud, is wishing that doctor harm the appropriate remedy to the problem?

phantom: do you know what a defibrillator is? Google it.
can you imagine no government hospital in this country has a defibrillator except maybe national hospital.
a very important machine.
many government hospitals do not have something as basic as an ultrasound machine. Nigerian doctors make the best of a very sad situation honestly.
your leaders fly out BECAUSE they know they have not done the right thing.they have not equipped the hospital s or trained their health personnel.
there is an area of radiology called interventional radiology.with interventional radiology ,many cases that would have ordinarily needed surgery are handled.these are less invasive procedures.we have only two people in this country you can call interventional radiologists. gambari and ahidjo, both of them in the north.
what stops our govt from sending out more people for training in different aspects of medicine? if they can't afford it,then import these highly skilled personnel from other countries especially India to come in and train our people.
our government is useless.

stop peddling lies, all maternal and child centers (MCC) in Lagos State has at least 3 defribillators. i currently have access to both manual defribillators and AEDs. by the way who head all these non functional hospitals "Doctors" abi, so we need change for things to work well in our hospitals

Typical 9ja case. Im not surprised at all. Money making is what everyone is after..

dexterinc2003:

Bros, I dey feel u....U were so determined not 2 use the word 'doctor' in your post.....u be johesuite ??

this is not a matter been a johesuite, physician is the rightful name. the appelation doctor is what is causing all these wahala now. if dentist could be housed by the NMA boys why not all other professionals

nobody is saying anything about equality. That you earn more doesn't make you superior to others.

Tbamo:



It's very interesting when you say you are outside nigeria. I challenge you to mention the country where you work where the doctor is equal to any other hospital worker?

Even in the worst of places ( somalia) and the best of places (Scandinavia) the doctor is the leader.

Now to the original topic. When I was an house officer the greatest hospital in nigeria ( so I don't get anybody in trouble) kept appealing to govt to procure drills for orthopaedics and OMS departments. But after repeated appeals and no forthcoming response, with a large backlog of surgeries that could not be carried out, real consultants put some money together and purchased a drill. The patients were informed abt the situation and we're told to pay a token for the maintenance of the privately sourced drill. They were also properly informed about how the drill was sourced.

A lot of patients were quick to respond and paid for the drill. And I remember that the policy was that for every 5 paid cases 1 was carried out pro bono.
Now was it wrong what the doctors were doing?

nursemyke:
stop peddling lies, all maternal and child centers (MCC) in Lagos State has at least 3 defribillators. i currently have access to both manual defribillators and AEDs. by the way who head all these non functional hospitals "Doctors" abi, so we need change for things to work well in our hospitals

oga I am talking of federal govt hospitals. even at that apart from proactive state govts like Lagos and rivers, how many other state health centers are equipped

Jogbojogbo: We always put blame on government! We have forgotten that, govt. put somebody there to do the needful.
The CMD's in charge of various hospitals should use their IGR to provide some basic instruments & equipment for the use
of the workers instead of using the money for frivolous things, things that are irrelevant to the diagnosis & treatment
Of the patients they are to look after, & that is why some people will capitalise on this to exploit patients. Therefore, the born to rule administrators (the Docs)
who are suppose to know the importance of having these instruments & equipment should use their IGR to buy them. Chikena!
They are incharge as CMDs & they should run it well.

Dude come on!!!

Are you for real?

The Government put people in charge of the Police

They also put people in charge of electricity production

And even water too.

Do you need a prophet to tell you that Healthcare is grossly underfunded?

This story is about a drill, but do you know of how many similar situations exist in Govt hospitals?

What IGR are you talking about If these hospitals are privatized, charges would go up and then you can talk about IGRs, but services will definitely be better.

And then the FG should be responsible for ensuring it is affordable by supplementing the charges for patients.

U are a bloody johesu member. If u don't have something reasonable to say just shut ur mouth.

prettyprettywow: Poor funding shey? What have we done with the little funding we have so far? I guess our Dr CMD's who are the world best administrators were busy enriching their pockets with the money meant for the buying of these equipment. I am sure our health sector gets more funding than those of Ghana and other poorer African countries whose health care system are better than ours. Yet, you want to lie to our faces that Drs should continue heading ba? Diaris God ooo