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Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:05am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: The high number of embryos destroyed during IVF. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 11:06am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:They do not use that much eggs from the woman. They take as low as possible, then culture them. I don't think it's all the eggs that get fertilized. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 11:12am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:I replied you already. They do not use a lot of eggs, and not all of them are fertilized. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:20am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: It's not what you think. Here are the facts. Doctors take as many eggs as possible from a woman. Average 15. They fertilize as many as possible. Then they implant at least three inside the womb. So for a hundred women, more than 1000 embroyos are created. At least 300 embryos are implanted. About half of them survive. Then about 120 are aborted to avoid multiple births. Read up instead of assuming things. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 11:26am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:ok |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 1:26pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: You mean you still do not know? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 2:34pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
striktlymi:I do now |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 3:34am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Striklymi is just dodging. AlfaSeltzer: LMAO!!! the Satanist is talking about shaming atheists!!! Irony. What you people fail to understand is that Striklymi is talking nonsense as usual....he doesnt know that it is very natural for embryos to die during pregnancy. 15%-20% of known pregnancies end up in miscarriage....percentage is higher if we consider unknown pregnancies. For someone to be concerned about the death of embryos with the artificial pregnancy, it requires a high level of ignorance. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 7:36am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: You are the one talking nonsense. Striktlymi knows very well that embryos die during pregnancy. He considers those natural death and as a xtian, have no problem with natural deaths; which he considers inevitable and as act of god. Other deaths, provoked by man, is murder for him and thus very sinful. This includes death of embryos during IVF. You are the one exhibiting high level of ignorance here. Should we start killing off old people because old people die naturally anyway? If not, why kill embryos because embryos die naturally anyway? That's what xtians are worried about. 4 Likes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 8:36am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Embryos are not people. And so, your nonsense analogy about old people is a failure. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:58am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: You are a fool. I was trying to explain to you how xtians think. Xtians think that embryos are people. Go back and read the whole thread so you can understand other people's argument. Understanding others doesn't mean you agree with them. Anyway, according to you, who is people? foetus? zygote? 6 months in the womb? After birth? Please enlighten us? 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:15am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: I didnt mean to butthurt you. Anyhoo, why should I waste my time appealing to a christian nutjob's argument? I understand it but I do not waste time with it!!! No one knows when an embryo/feotus becomes a human per se..... But we do know that outside of the womb is a good time to make a demarcation as the baby is not totally dependent on the mother. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:26am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: When I said you were a fool, it was not out of butthurt but merely a statement of fact. You have just proved it with your statement. The only thing you have been doing since you joined NL was spending your time appealing to christian nutjobs' arguments. You have no idea when a human is formed but somebody else has his opinion and you call it nuts. If your wife is 8 and half months pregnant and I hit her tummy with the intention of killing your unborn baby and killing it, should I be tried for murder (life sentence) or for assault (a few months or fine)? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:40am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Butthurt Satanist is butthurt!!!!! |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:42am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Projection. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:44am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: No one knows when life truly begins. Stop trying to Anonynize my arguments. If someone claims that life begins at conception, the person is a liar. No one knows. If a woman is 1 month pregnant sef, it is murder if a man kills the baby by injuring the woman. The woman didnt ask for an abortion. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:46am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: On point! |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:47am On Jul 25, 2014 |
striktlymi: Ode...you actually think he supports your nonsense He is a satanist............................playing the devils advocate |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:50am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: So according to you, one can be convicted of murdering a non-human. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:50am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Why not stop embarrassing yourself? I saw this before I posted: AlfaSeltzer: |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:51am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: A potential human. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:56am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: just like embryos: potential humans. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 9:57am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Yes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 10:10am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: headless chicken. You just agreed with sricktly that killing embryos could be murder. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 10:28am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:I'm just making this comment to say that you have just gained a whole lot of respect in my eyes. It is always good to see someone who can accurately represent the position of his opponent without necessarily agreeing with them. It makes for a good conversation. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 10:33am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: Is it always murder? No Stricklymi says it is always murder. I have told you to stop anonynizing my arguments.......too late!! Anony has seen your sophistry and he praises you (comment above) |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 10:35am On Jul 25, 2014 |
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Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 10:50am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: When, in your opinion, is killing an embryo murder? 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 10:54am On Jul 25, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: When you kill a pregnant woman. double homicide/murder If the woman chooses an abortion. Not murder If the woman chooses to participate in artificial pregnancy. Not murder Is it clear to you what I am saying now? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by MrAnony1(m): 10:59am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2:Special pleading. So according to you, it is murder for everyone else but the woman is miraculously exempt from the charge when she does it. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:00am On Jul 25, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Right. I think I get you. The embryo gets human rights when it is inside a woman and the woman wants to keep it. Under any other circumstances, it cannot be considered human. Yes? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 11:07am On Jul 25, 2014 |
MrAnony1: 1) The embro/foetus is a part of the woman. Unless you have been nourishing it for weeks, I think you should allow the woman to decide its fate. 2) Everyone else is also exempt from the charge of nourishing the embryo/feotus...so the pleading isnt miraculous or special or even pleading. |
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