Two years ago I happened to watch a video in which a certain woman of god from Sierra Leone called sister Finder claimed to have gone to heaven and back.Among the many other spiritual claims she made was that some pastors were leading their congregations to hell. She went to the extent of mentioning names of some men of god and churches that were hell bound.The sin of the congregation is that they knowingly or unknowingly attend the church which is pastored by those condemned men of god. Even on this forum I used to see some christians questioning the heavenly credentials of other christians as a result of the perceived unholy nature of their pastor.Questions:1 If the founder or head of a church is an evil man does it mean the whole congregation is also evil? (ie can one not be holier than his pastor?)2 Would god judge us according to which church we belong or by our faith? 3 are there churches whose members are automatically saved? 4 how can we identify those magic churches? May be the trick is in finding the right church or man of god to follow and not in seeking personal righteousness.

Depends on where hell is located, and if the pastor studies geography.

Op:
Majority of world's population are christians but almost all of them end up in hell with unbelievers. Churches have now become gateway to hell fire as christians have become dancers at the gate of hell. The devil has been in existent in this world before the creation of man. He has watched men grow. He has watch the christian race. he has studied the christian race and know the weak and strong points of christians. So he has polluted it, as such, leading multitudes that think they're on the right track to hell. But thank GOD for our King, thank GOD for whom He is. Thank King JESUS CHRIST for coming to our rescue, revealing truths to us, so we would escape the traps of the devil. The devil knows unbelievers are already on their way to hell. he doesn't bother about them. he knows christians are heading to heaven, so he's polluted christianity. JESUS CHRIST have strictly warned us about fake preachers.

1. If the founder of a church is evil, automatically, the whole congregation are heading to hell because if a blind lead another blind, they will both fall into a ditch -Matthew 15:14
One cannot be holier than the pastor because it is the pastor's teaching he is feeding on. So if he's getting the wrong food, na hell o because just one little wrong teaching spoils the whole good teachings(1st Cor 5:6, James 2:10)

2. Same answer to question 1. Churches matters o as much as our faith does. That is why JESUS CHRIST taught when He came because most teachings of the scribes hinders the people from entering heaven (Matthew 23:13). Teachings in church hinders people from making heaven. That is why in the Book of Revelation, before Christ gave John the revelations, He warned the seven churches in Asia.

3. There is no church whose members are automatically saved. Rather, there are churches which focus on pure holiness, preaching the undiluted word of GOD. If a member of such church goes ahead and commits sin, and dies without repenting, na hell be that.

4. To know such church is very simple as JESUS CHRIST already tells us how to identify them- by their fruits (Matthew 7:16, 20). But to do this, you need the Holy Spirit to be in you first. So you can discern which is good fruit. Because JESUS CHRIST already tells us the Holy Spirit will guide us to all truths (John 16:13)

In summary, the Bible should be our number one pastor and number one church. Humans can mislead us but the Bible can never mislead us. We will be judged by the Bible (John 12:48). So we should always place our Bible first above every other teaching and learn to compare our pastor's teachings with the Bible

emmyskies: Op:
Majority of world's population are christians but almost all of them end up in hell with unbelievers. Churches have now become gateway to hell fire as christians have become dancers at the gate of hell. The devil has been in existent in this world before the creation of man. He has watched men grow. He has watch the christian race. he has studied the christian race and know the weak and strong points of christians. So he has polluted it, as such, leading multitudes that think they're on the right track to hell. But thank GOD for our King, thank GOD for whom He is. Thank King JESUS CHRIST for coming to our rescue, revealing truths to us, so we would escape the traps of the devil. The devil knows unbelievers are already on their way to hell. he doesn't bother about them. he knows christians are heading to heaven, so he's polluted christianity. JESUS CHRIST have strictly warned us about fake preachers.

1. If the founder of a church is evil, automatically, the whole congregation are heading to hell because if a blind lead another blind, they will both fall into a ditch -Matthew 15:14
One cannot be holier than the pastor because it is the pastor's teaching he is feeding on. So if he's getting the wrong food, na hell o because just one little wrong teaching spoils the whole good teachings(1st Cor 5:6, James 2:10)

2. Same answer to question 1. Churches matters o as much as our faith does. That is why JESUS CHRIST taught when He came because most teachings of the scribes hinders the people from entering heaven (Matthew 23:13). Teachings in church hinders people from making heaven. That is why in the Book of Revelation, before Christ gave John the revelations, He warned the seven churches in Asia.

3. There is no church whose members are automatically saved. Rather, there are churches which focus on pure holiness, preaching the undiluted word of GOD. If a member of such church goes ahead and commits sin, and dies without repenting, na hell be that.

4. To know such church is very simple as JESUS CHRIST already tells us how to identify them- by their fruits (Matthew 7:16, 20). But to do this, you need the Holy Spirit to be in you first. So you can discern which is good fruit. Because JESUS CHRIST already tells us the Holy Spirit will guide us to all truths (John 16:13)

In summary, the Bible should be our number one pastor and number one church. Humans can mislead us but the Bible can never mislead us. We will be judged by the Bible (John 12:48). So we should always place our Bible first above every other teaching and learn to compare our pastor's teachings with the Bible

thanks for your explanation. But that leads me to the other puzzles: 1 In the quest for the right church,does one have to move from one church to the other? 2 Can one write off a particular church based on hear say with out even attending it first and making sincere efforts to understand its spiritual position? (you can only do that at your own risk since there is a chance that the one you ignored may be the true church) 3 Given the thousands of churches we have around,what is the chance of one ever completing the experiment (to find the true church) in a lifetime?4 The holy spirit does not come to every body at the same time.Does one need to wait for it before going to any church at all?

No one can lead another to hell without the follower's permission.

jacksonite: thanks for your explanation. But that leads me to the other puzzles: 1 In the quest for the right church,does one have to move from one church to the other? 2 Can one write off a particular church based on hear say with out even attending it first and making sincere efforts to understand its spiritual position? (you can only do that at your own risk since there is a chance that the one you ignored may be the true church) 3 Given the thousands of churches we have around,what is the chance of one ever completing the experiment (to find the true church) in a lifetime?4 The holy spirit does not come to every body at the same time.Does one need to wait for it before going to any church at all?

why are you so confused? Do you need a pastor to teach you what is right? You have the bible with you, read ,understand and know what to do, study to show yourself approve.

jacksonite: thanks for your explanation. But that leads me to the other puzzles: 1 In the quest for the right church,does one have to move from one church to the other? 2 Can one write off a particular church based on hear say with out even attending it first and making sincere efforts to understand its spiritual position? (you can only do that at your own risk since there is a chance that the one you ignored may be the true church) 3 Given the thousands of churches we have around,what is the chance of one ever completing the experiment (to find the true church) in a lifetime?4 The holy spirit does not come to every body at the same time.Does one need to wait for it before going to any church at all?

All thanks be unto GOD Almighty both now and forever more, Amen

1. You don't have to move from church to church to know the right church. It is simple: Go to church where holiness and righteousness is their standard and focus. Without holiness, no man will see the Lord -Heb 12:14). This two things are what every christian needs to focus on to make heaven.

2. One thing about "them say" is that majority are true and correct. Take heed, 97% of churches here in Nigeria are not on the right track. It will suprise you but it is the truth. On the other hand, even if a church is good and okay, people will still complain and accuse them of one or two things as they did JESUS CHRIST because the world hate light but love evil and darkness (3:19). So, based on "them say" criteria, join a church the world always accuse of being too holy and too conscious of sin, a church the world despise for having so many do's and don'ts

3. You don't need to jump from one church to another to know which is true. JESUS CHRIST have already told us that we can know true church by their fruit. It is very simple to identify them. But you can never know if you are not filled with the spirit. One of the duty of the spirit is to guide us to all truths.

4. It is a must for every christian to have the Holy spirit. Ha!! Must o. The goal of every christian is to make heaven on the last day. And it is impossible to make heaven on our own(Matthew 19:25). We need to work with JESUS CHRIST through the Holy spirit to be saved(Matthew 19:26). How can one claim to be a christian without having the Holy Spirit? What can he do without the Holy spirit? For without Christ, we can do nothing(John 15:5) As many that are led by the spirit, they are the sons of GOD(Romans 8:14). Mostly for this latter days we don enter, that deception is everywhere, that the devil knows he has but a very short time left, so is deceiving and leading multitudes to hell, every christians needs the Holy spirit for direction and discerning and to guide them to all truths

emmyskies:
All thanks be unto GOD Almighty both now and forever more, Amen

1. You don't have to move from church to church to know the right church. It is simple: Go to church where holiness and righteousness is their standard and focus. Without holiness, no man will see the Lord -Heb 12:14). This two things are what every christian needs to focus on to make heaven.

2. One thing about "them say" is that majority are true and correct. Take heed, 97% of churches here in Nigeria are not on the right track. It will suprise you but it is the truth. On the other hand, even if a church is good and okay, people will still complain and accuse them of one or two things as they did JESUS CHRIST because the world hate light but love evil and darkness (3:19). So, based on "them say" criteria, join a church the world always accuse of being too holy and too conscious of sin, a church the world despise for having so many do's and don'ts

3. You don't need to jump from one church to another to know which is true. JESUS CHRIST have already told us that we can know true church by their fruit. It is very simple to identify them. But you can never know if you are not filled with the spirit. One of the duty of the spirit is to guide us to all truths.

4. It is a must for every christian to have the Holy spirit. Ha!! Must o. The goal of every christian is to make heaven on the last day. And it is impossible to make heaven on our own(Matthew 19:25). We need to work with JESUS CHRIST through the Holy spirit to be saved(Matthew 19:26). How can one claim to be a christian without having the Holy Spirit? What can he do without the Holy spirit? For without Christ, we can do nothing(John 15:5) As many that are led by the spirit, they are the sons of GOD(Romans 8:14). Mostly for this latter days we don enter, that deception is everywhere, that the devil knows he has but a very short time left, so is deceiving and leading multitudes to hell, every christians needs the Holy spirit for direction and discerning and to guide them to all truths

You stopped short of mentioning names.But from your criteria of the true church being widely regarded as too holy,being approximately 3% of the Christian population,and being highly despised,can I venture to say JEHOVAH WITNESSES? And one may be last question: Does this your one true church possess and share holy spirit among her members? (I thought the holy spirit is a gift from god and he gives it to whom ever he pleases.)

jacksonite: You stopped short of mentioning names.But from your criteria of the true church being widely regarded as too holy,being approximately 3% of the Christian population,and being highly despised,can I venture to say JEHOVAH WITNESSES? And one may be last question: Does this your one true church possess and share holy spirit among her members? (I thought the holy spirit is a gift from god and he gives it to whom ever he pleases.)

Nope. Not Jehovah Witness. They're really trying but they don't believe in heaven and hell. They don't give much preference to JESUS CHRIST and they've got their own version of the Bible to suit their teachings. So these 3 solid facts are very very... Don't make me complete my statement. I believe you already know what I mean.

And I don't understand your question. Rephrase