mazaje:

His bible is filled with mass murders like Moses, Joshua, Ezekiel, etc. . .These are the people he reveres. mass murderers and people that engage in annihilation of others. . .Fools like Oladegbuu do good because they are afraid. . .

Redlyn:

Do you OP agree that rape is morally wrong in all cases? If so how do you know? Afterall it is endorsed in some passages.

PastorAIO:

He won't understand what you are getting at here. He has lost the capability. He's literally given up the ability to make ethical and moral considerations for himself and it shows in his character.

1ord:

Pls save your preaching for your mugu congregation

Joshthefirst:

The only difference is that i have accepted someone elses's substitution and mercy and gained a new life, while you in your love for evil reject it and doggedly cling to meaningless foolishness.

Weah96:

This is a contradiction of an earlier statement made by you in this very thread. You said quite clearly that no one goes to hell for unbelief. Here you are now claiming that unbelief and evil are one and the same. In other words, if someone doesn't believe that an obscure Hebrew figure is the son of an invisible God, then that person must be driven by evil.

Weah96:
Fine, let's consider the case of our Muslims brothers and sisters.They have accepted Allah, who promises them everlasting life filled with all kinds of bountiful goodies. In return, they are to use their bodies as vessels of incessant worship and adoration. Complete submission.

Weah96:
Are you saying that righteous Muslims are going to heaven even though they do not accept Jesus as Lord and personal savior? They seem to pass your litmus test for entry.

Weah96:
They have belief, Allah has promised to take care of them. They obey the ten commandments. They have fulfilled all your requirements, accept using their mouths to say a few magic words. Your God says he's going to roast them, next to me, maybe even side by side. You do believe this, do you not?

mazaje:

The wages of sin is death sis not the same as he who does not believe is condemned already. . .The bible is very clear on what it says in John 3:18. . . who ever believes in Jesus is not condemned is what it says, it then goes on to say that who ever does not believe in Jesus is condemned already because they refuse to believe in god's only son. .It clearly states the reason .That is pretty clear, i really do not know what you are on about. . .

Joshthefirst:

And Yes. I do not know if its a literal roast, but you will be thrown into the realms of hell, maybe into deeper realms than they. If you continue in life and die as a guilty sinner.

OLAADEGBU:

But you fear going to jail, don't you?

OLAADEGBU:

Either you like it or not both atheists and theist have the image of God that makes them do good, one fears the arm of the law while the other obeys God who has absolute morality.

cold:

Very rich coming from someone who considers Abraham his father. Someone who tried to kill his own son because of a voice in his head supposedly from his sky daddy. If the op consider such an act worthy of admiration and emulation,what could he possibly consider reprehensible?
Again,if all morality stems from god like ola would have us believe,where does god get his morality?

OLAADEGBU:

God has absolute morality. From Him flows morality. Check it out here if you will pass God's morality test ==> www.NeedGod.com

OLAADEGBU:

God has absolute morality. From Him flows morality. Check it out here if you will pass God's morality test ==> www.NeedGod.com

musKeeto:
Is God subject to moral laws? Or are those laws only applicable to humans?

cold:

Apatheist:

You're contradicting yourself:
First you say it is the "image of god" (which, I don't know) that makes man "good," then in the same breath you say it's the fear of the arm of law that makes atheists "good", and obedience to god that makes theist "good".

Furthermore, expounding on your "logic" that it is the image of god that makes man good, it follows logically that is the same "image of god" that makes man "evil" (immoral).

TheBigUrban2:


If God has absolute morality why did his absolute morality change from the old testament to the new testament?


An eye for an eye <> turn the other cheek
Death by stoning <> he without sin, cast the first stone

musKeeto:

Is God subject to moral laws? Or are those laws only applicable to humans?

Weah96:

Is it moral to seize the land belonging to a tribe and murder everyone including their women and children? God has ordered humans to conduct themselves like that on several occasions. Allah also gave his followers the exact same message btw, to murder you and your infidel children. Is that morality?

OLAADEGBU:

Take this test to see whether you are a good person or not. ==> www.NeedGod.com

Apatheist:

And you totally ignored the matter at hand.


Now you are the adjudicator on matters concerning morality?!

OLAADEGBU:

The matter at hand is that you atheists should tell us what grounds apart from God you have for your morality, if you have any?

Apatheist:

Morality is subjective.

OLAADEGBU:

To the atheist, morality is subjective and arbitrary.

Apatheist:

Funny cartoon.

Apatheist:

Morality is subjective.

Apatheist:

what is morally good commanded by God because it is
morally good, or is it morally good because it is
commanded by God?"

OLAADEGBU:

Is it moral for you to destroy your creation/invention that is no longer fit for purpose?

OLAADEGBU:

It sums up your fishy morality in a few words.



Since some folks believe that it is right to kill unborn babies while others think there's no problem with killing people of other religions or ethnicities and some think it's OK to be racists. Tell me, whose position shall we follow if we are to be subjective in our moral code of conduct? Are you saying we are all right, shouldn't there be a line drawn in the sand somewhere?
Absolute morality doesn't comport with atheism and that's why you say that morality is subjective. When push comes to shove, as one of the fishes depicted in the cartoon found out, you will realise that morality is not a personally subjective choice.

Weah96:

Yes, and no. Laptops and old phones get discarded. But they are non living materials. And they're not kept in a basement somewhere being tortured.

Weah96:

But reasonable people will agree that if the inventor was omniscient and omnipotent during the process of invention then it becomes cruelty. It means that he not only anticipated his creation becoming obsolete (omniscience), but also had all the power to avert it (omnipotent). This is highly unlike the God who is described as loving and caring and all knowing.

cold:

Look who's talking about killing babies. Seriously which god are you on about? The yahweh god or a different one? Your hypocrisy is unparalleled

OLAADEGBU:

Either you like it or not both atheists and theist have the image of God that makes them do good, one fears the arm of the law while the other obeys God who has absolute morality.

1ord:

Nope it is not because one fears the arm of the law. It is the realization that if we were all red eyed cannibals their would be no progress in humanity and our chances of self accomplishment and attempts to further humanity will be futile and pointless. Further the chances of our survival in an organised and controlled situation is optimal. That is why atheists agnostics and deists seem to want to control religion. Because we have moved beyond it and it just seems to drag us as a species backwards. I do not kill because i fear the law,with a good enough lawyer and sufficient bribes i can find a loop hole within the law. Its just that the stress and time spent can be spent immortalizing my name and receiving plaudits and awards. Hence atheist do not fear the law they respect and encourage it because it furthers their agenda and optimizes their chances of survival. Imagine what it would have been like been a free thinker in the stone ages with no laws. we would have been flayed for heresy for opening up the human body to find out how it works. Now you enjoy a long life due to the risk a free thinker took although many were flayed. We have taken the mantle upon ourselves to further humanity so they can become the Gods and determine the point of their existence not as an individual but as a unit. That is why we have problems with religion it creates an individual specific identity. Explaining this will take too much time. Hope i have cleared your doubts.