tbaba1234: Another tirade, you can not be helped can you??
This might help.. you do not seem to know the meaning of scientific method
Definition of scientific method
a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scientific+method
Ok that is defined..
Can you list the scientific method of Hippocrates??
Can you compare that to the modern method??
The first, and possibly greatest Islamic scholar, was Ibn al-Haytham, best known for his wonderful work on light and vision, called 'The Book of Optics.' He developed a scientific method very similar to our own:
1. State an explicit problem, based upon observation and experimentation.
2. Test or criticize a hypothesis through experimentation.
3. Interpret the data and come to a conclusion, ideally using mathematics.
4. Publish the findings
Ibn al-Haytham, brilliantly, understood that controlled and systematic experimentation and measurement were essential to discovering new knowledge, built upon existing knowledge.

Good ser clown, now claiming 'tirade'. Hope that's not a ploy you intend to use to run off?

As for the bolded...

me, just now sef:


Hippocrates is credited with being the first person to believe that diseases were caused naturally, not because of superstition and gods. Hippocrates was credited by the disciples of Pythagoras of allying philosophy and medicine.

He separated the discipline of medicine from religion, believing and arguing that disease was not a punishment inflicted by the gods but rather the product of environmental factors, diet, and living habits. Indeed there is not a single mention of a mystical illness in the entirety of the Hippocratic Corpus.

The Hippocratic School gave importance to the clinical doctrines of observation and documentation. These doctrines dictate that physicians record their findings and their medicinal methods in a very clear and objective manner, so that these records may be passed down and employed by other physicians.

Are you blind?

And your disingenuous definition just happens to omit that the scientific method strictly concerns itself with the natural? No GODDIDITs anywhere? Something Hippocrates defenestrated way before your 'golden' age? Hmm.

Answer the question; will your madrasas teach the man evolved from apes?

Simple questions. You don't seem to answering any of them, one wonders why....

Can you list the scientific method of Hippocrates??

Can you compare that to the modern method??

Definition of a list

a series of names or other items written or printed together in a meaningful grouping or sequence so as to constitute a record:

You can use numbers , letters or roman numerals..

Can we stick to the topic ? Moving from here to evolution is changing topic..

Create a topic and we can talk about evolution and the islamic understanding.

Somehow, based on this evidence, I think you might be ill equipped to discuss that.

For now, the topic is about scientific method

tbaba1234: This is from the great Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism.

Like the great adam smith said:

The ruin of the empire of the Romans, and, along with it the subversion of all law and order, which happened a few centuries afterwards, produced the entire neglect of that study of the connecting principles of nature, to which leisure and security can alone give occasion. After the fall of those great conquerors and the civilizers of mankind, the empire of the Caliphs seems to have been the first state under which the world enjoyed that degree of tranquility which the cultivation of the sciences requires. It was under the protection of those generous and magnificent princes, that the ancient philosophy and astronomy of the Greeks were restored and established in the East; that tranquility, which their mild, just and religious government diffused over their vast empire, revived the curiosity of mankind, to inquire into the connecting principles of nature. (adam smith, The Essays of adam smith, London, 1869, p. 353)

Che... Adam Smith is now 'great' because he threw you a bone? Na wa. His opinion isn't even necessarily fact, you know?

Anyways, let's see if he's wrong. Look at the bolded, even he acknowledges they were just building from previous work, no? The "great conquerors and civilizers", just who were they? (Note, he doesn't even mention islam, he mentions the caliphs. Something you should have done as noted earlier by kay. You should have called the greek pagans if you're going to attribute success to religion? No? Why did you oh so subtly switch. Hmmm. Paganism isn't good enough? You will now claim you are not here to spread blatant propaganda as fact....)


Ah, yes. They were simply passing on the torch, Adam Smith himself says as much. He does not attribute anything new or unique to them. They just happen to have been the furthest away with access to Greek work from that great cancer that is the church.

Other cultures, guess what, they passed the mantle as well. Even the greek, who no doubt were seminal, eg being the first to remove the supernatural from medicine, borrowed from other cultures, no? Catholics, despite their immense folly, did at least put some effort into preserving some Greek knowledge, whatever they could get away (anything that didn't compromise their GODIDIT ie), no? Today's world, from Europe to America now being at the forefront, to estimates having China (and/or a european resurgence) to take over within the next century.

Knowledge building on knowledge, like you state, no? Else please, show us one characteristic that is unique or novel, such as Hippocrates' exclusion of supernatural in his work, to islam's golden age?

If only some clown didn't burn down that library in Alexandria. What an eediotic move that was....

tbaba1234: Can we stick to the topic ? Moving from here to evolution is changing topic..

Create a topic and we can talk about evolution and the islamic understanding.

Somehow, based on this evidence, I think you might be ill equipped to discuss that.

For now, the topic is about scientific method

It is very relevant. You gain nothing with such obvious chicanery...

Simple question; will your madrasas teach that man evolved from apes?

I did not ask for you opinion on anything, evolution or otherwise. I am not interested (clearly) in anything 'islamic'. We are speaking science here, no? I simply want to know if your madrasas will teach evolution. That's it. Yes or no. As a bonus though, if no, please tell us if they make such a choice for scientific reasons.

Don't try to dodge abeg

We are talking scientific method, can you address the topic? Not physics, chemistry or evolution.

I doubt you understand the philosophy of science, so I do not know if you are equipped for that conversation..

The first, and possibly greatest Islamic scholar, was Ibn al-Haytham, best known for his wonderful work on light and vision, called 'The Book of Optics.' He developed a scientific method very similar to our own:

1. State an explicit problem, based upon observation and experimentation.

2. Test or criticize a hypothesis through experimentation.

3. Interpret the data and come to a conclusion, ideally using mathematics.

4. Publish the findings

Ibn al-Haytham, brilliantly, understood that controlled and systematic experimentation and measurement were essential to discovering new knowledge, built upon existing knowledge.

His other additions were the idea that science is a quest for ultimate truth and that one of the only ways to reach that goal was through skepticism and questioning everything.

Other Muslim scholars further contributed to this scientific method, refining it and preserving it. Al-Biruni understood that measuring instruments and human observers were prone to error and bias, so proposed that experiments needed replication, many times, before a 'common sense' average was possible.

Al-Rahwi (851 - 934) was the first scholar to use a recognizable peer review process.

In his book, Ethics of the Physician, he developed peer review process to ensure that physicians documented their procedures and lay them open for scrutiny. Other physicians would review the processes and make a decision in cases of suspected malpractice.

Abu Jābir, known as Geber (721 - 815), an Islamic scientist often referred to as the father of chemistry, was the first scholar to introduce controlled experiments, and dragged alchemy away from the world of superstition into one of empirical measurement.

Ibn Sina (Avicenna), one of the titans in the history of science, proposed that there were two ways of arriving at the first principles of science, through induction and experimentation. Only through these methods could the first principles needed for deduction be discovered

Other Islamic scholars contributed the idea of consensus in science as a means of filtering out fringe science and allowing open reviews. These contributions to the scientific method, and to the tools required to follow them, made this into an Islamic Golden Age of science.

However, with the decline in the Islamic Houses of Knowledge, the history of the scientific method passed into Europe and the Renaissance.

https://explorable.com/history-of-the-scientific-method

The least you can do is read..

Preserving previous knowledge and developing it is an essential part of science..

It is getting tiresone going in circles.

tbaba1234: The least you can do is read..
Preserving previous knowledge and developing it is an essential part of science..
It is getting tiresone going in circles.

The irony. This from a mindless parrot copypastaing the same thing over and over again. Remarkable brain washing considering you still posting your propaganda after all this.

These are very simple questions.

Will your madrasas teach that man evolved from apes?

Show us one characteristic that is unique or novel, such as Hippocrates' exclusion of supernatural from his work, that can be attributed to islam's golden age

Very....simple

And it seems physics, chemistry and evolution have nothing to do with the scientific method. Even though you just parroted (and bolded) this

you, just now sef:


Abu Jābir, known as Geber (721 - 815), an Islamic scientist often referred to as the father of chemistry,

I'm confused as to how you can mention chemistry but me no..

What is wrong with you?

Oops, don't worry. Don't want to know.

My work here is done. Kudos

Repetition is a tool used when a student has difficulty learning.

If you read through, what has been written you will see quite a number of firsts from the scholars.

The write up is not to underrate the contributions of any scholar. It just highlights their important contributions of some and the development of the scientific method.

Also, mentioning 'chemistry' does not mean the conversation is about chemistry. It is about the development of the scientific method..

Do you have a problem with english??

When you see a conversation about chemical compounds, then we are talking chemistry.

The muslim's theological understanding of evolution is not the topic of conversation, it leads into another topic.